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Am I being OTT? Husband and my best friend…

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Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 10:35

I don’t know why I’m doing this thread. Probably because I can’t stomach telling real life people yet. I don’t know if I’m overreacting or underreacting or what. Please can you help me see through it?

A couple of weeks ago, my closest friend came to stay with us. She’s a long-term friend, very close, visits frequently and was my bridesmaid etc.

I got a babysitter and my friend, me and my H went out for a couple of drinks and to meet some other friends in the pub.

After coming home, I went to bed as it was late and my turn to get up with the baby in the morning. My H and friend stayed up listening to music and drinking some more. They went into another separate part of the house so the music didn’t disturb me or the baby. This isn’t unusual and more often than not, I’d be there too or my H wouldn’t.

In the morning, I picked up on a vibe. I just had a feeling. Never had it before. My friend was overly bright. She came back over very early. My husband very quiet. After my friend went home, I asked him outright if something had happened and he said no.

It niggled me for a couple of days and I suddenly recalled there’s external CCTV that covers that portion of the house, after we were burgled. So I viewed it. And I saw, clearly, that my friend approached my husband and put her arms around his neck and he wrapped his arms around her. They stayed like this, then it became dancing, then it became standing with their faces very close together talking, then they kissed albeit relatively brief and not a passionate one, and then they danced some more and then they separated. My H then immediately text me something inane, and probably guilty in hindsight.

The whole thing lasted around six minutes. It looked very intimate and intense. It makes me throw up viewing it.

Afterwards, they both went to bed separately. I’m fairly certain nothing else happened between them.

I have confronted the pair of them. My H claims he was crying about something and she comforted him, and he enjoyed the comfort. He’s very, very shame faced, upset and apologetic. My friend is trying to emotionally manipulate me into getting over it. Both attempted to rewrite it and minimise it until I informed them I’d seen it on CCTV.

I had expected DARVO from the pair of them due to the creepy surveillance aspect, but neither did. I find that telling.

My H is living in a separate part of the house. Complicated lives mean he cannot leave fully currently. I have ended my friendship. I have asked my H for a separation.

The real kicker here is my H, while very fond of my friend, is twitchy when I go out with her alone because she habitually seeks male attention and he feared I might do similar. She’s very beautiful and very clever and men fall at her feet. The hypocrisy of him lapping it up when she sought his attention is keeping me up at night.

I feel utterly sick and so betrayed. I have lost so much weight, I cannot eat and I cannot sleep. I feel I have lost two of the most important people to me.

But am I overreacting to end my marriage over this? They didn’t sleep together, the kiss was relatively brief, we have very small children, very entwined lives and a very long history.

And before anyone comes at me, I’m not holding her more responsible than him. She initiated the initial contact but he went with it. They both kissed each other. He’s married to me. Not her. Nor am I routinely into surveillance. It just suddenly occurred to me we had a camera and it was sheer dumb luck, or misfortune in their case, that they were visible.

Sorry this is long. I’ve not spoken to anyone about it.

OP posts:
Planesmistakenforstars · 29/04/2024 12:38

Here's to Chris Hemsworth OP. I hope you find him💐

Dery · 29/04/2024 12:54

“”Pookerrod · Yesterday 23:21
I hope to never be back and to live happily ever after, or to maybe pop back with a new thread along the lines of “My new husband looks like Chris Hemsworth and is a gentleman of the highest order, but he does all the housework, cooking and buys me presents all the time, and it’s making me feel bad about myself.”

I hope the same for you too, OP. Good luck with it all 💐”

This. And I know you may not see this - and it isn’t the point of this thread - but I wanted to say you write fabulously well and with a lot of wit. I hope you have a career in writing. If not, I hope you get one (though obviously not high up the to do list right now!). Best of luck, OP.

SocksMcR · 29/04/2024 15:47

Mmmm. I wonder if the reason that he's always been twitchy about you going out with that friend is that he's always been afraid of what she might tell you.

I wouldn't blame or shame you fir whatever you choose to do. It's your life, your heart and your marriage. But I personally would never rest easy again if I was trying to force myself to trust him.

KreedKafer · 29/04/2024 18:06

Totalfuckingshitshow · 28/04/2024 22:19

This thread has been inordinately helpful as somewhere I could mope or sound off. I was very grateful to have received so many supportive replies, as well as some bloody lovely ones. In the interest of authenticity, I haven’t changed any details so if anyone recognises me, y’ello. 👋 (please don’t dox me).

I don’t want the helpfulness to be undermined, which I can foresee happening 👀, so I’m going to take my leave.

For those who like some sort of resolution, I can’t give that right now, but the friend has gone (I’m sad and furious in equal measure about that), my husband is living elsewhere currently, we’re sharing the child load and starting therapy on Wednesday. My current feeling is that I’d be insane to try to save this marriage but I’m taking one day at a time.

I hope to never be back and to live happily ever after, or to maybe pop back with a new thread along the lines of “My new husband looks like Chris Hemsworth and is a gentleman of the highest order, but he does all the housework, cooking and buys me presents all the time, and it’s making me feel bad about myself.”

Thank you all, so much.

Edited

OP, you come across as being absolutely lovely on this thread. You've been so considered, self-aware and smart in your thinking, and that's no mean feat in the aftermath of this kind of betrayal. Whatever happens next for you, I wish you all the very best.

If I bump into Chris Hemsworth, I'll send him round to yours with a bunch of flowers.

Drapion · 29/04/2024 19:33

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Lavengro · 29/04/2024 20:46

I can't even begin to fathom how this thread ended up with people having a go at the OP.

Look after yourself @Totalfuckingshitshow. I hope things begin to fall into place for you and you can look back at this time eventually and feel it was a turning point for the better.

dollahsains · 29/04/2024 21:22

Yrst

Behindthescenesnow · 30/04/2024 02:33

what a nightmare!

You're doing great OP.

Vive42 · 01/05/2024 00:10

You have had the toughest week. I hope you can find some peace and happiness eventually. You really didn’t deserve this. You sound really lovely and level headed, surrounded by tossers. So yes, may be best to toss them all out. Take good care of yourself too as much as you can. Well done for holding your ground and getting help. I think you’re going to be ok, in time. All the best x

PianoPants · 09/05/2024 20:57

Good luck

MsDogLady · 09/05/2024 22:37

@Totalfuckingshitshow, I’ve been thinking of you and hope you are okay.

Totalfuckingshitshow · 12/05/2024 08:19

Hi everyone.

Thanks for checking in on me @MsDogLady. It’s been quite full on. We’ve started therapy. My H is quite defensive in the sessions. Our therapist is very good though and makes him reflect on it instantly. I’ve told him that he’ll get a lot more from it if he can drop that need to explain everything without emotion.

We’re still living separately, which has become the new normal. My bedroom is a blissful man-free space. My older child has picked up on it, he’s three, and asks quite a few pertinent questions. He’s a funny little soul, a big thinker, so it’s been hard to know how to answer it. He likes being able to come get in with me (the 3yo I mean) in the morning for a chat though.

Now. An actual update. On the former friend. After three weeks had passed, she randomly started texting my third friend (the brilliant one) as though nothing had happened. Invitation to bottomless brunch and the like. Third friend was mind-blown.

Former friend knew third friend was with me when I found out so had been laying low. She began to text her daily and when she got no response, just rocked up at third friend’s house. She was manic, trying to rewrite history, claiming that my husband was her friend, it was platonic and being with him was a ‘safe space’. 😑 anyway, third friend was having none of it, gave her what for, told her what she did had broken my heart and was unforgivable and sent her on her way, before immediately letting me know what had happened. That girl is a marvel.

Former friend can’t seem to let it go, however. She can’t accept she’s lost friends over this and said “I’ll text you next week then.”

It’s really shaken me for some reason. There’s never been a situation former friend can’t talk herself in or out of, and she seems to believe that to be the case here. Utter delusion. I think I’m going to have to make it (even more so?!) plain that our friendship is dead, and at her hands. Third friend has offered to pass it on so I don’t have to. I might take her up on that. Third friend also wants no further relationship with her. Weirdly, as that will leave the former friend quite isolated (funnily enough, doesn’t have many female or even really close friends), I feel guilty.

With the H, I still don’t know what to do. I’ve taken the excellent advice on here and stopped chasing myself to decide anything. It’s on him now to either demonstrate major change, at which point I might feel there’s a way forward for us, or not. Before our last therapy session, I did tell him that through what happened and the physical distance, I do feel myself sliding away from the marriage, which he found very upsetting. He is trying to do everything to patch it up. The idea of losing his family unit seems to be distressing him a lot. Which I in turn find upsetting, and again, feel guilty for. (The fuck is that about? Why do we feel guilty for everything?)

So, that’s that. Grim. Not much progress. Still, the sun is shining, I saw the Aurora Borealis last night, something I’ve wanted to see for ever, and the bottle of Whispering Angel I had imbibed made it quite the experience.

Oh, and I’ve taken up running again and am off for a long’un today, albeit with the baby in a pram. And a wine headache.

OP posts:
Zonder · 12/05/2024 08:29

Good update OP. Your third friend sounds great. Friend who stayed sounds like a narcissistic arse.

It doesn't sound like your husband is taking any responsibility at all so it's hard to see how things could move forward in a positive way really.

Nicebloomers · 12/05/2024 08:29

Great update. You sound like you’re in as good a place as you can be really under the circumstances. Your friend sounds pretty awesome I must say. The former friend is as you say a bit delusional. She’s made her bed though, I have no sympathy for her. I hope your husband continues to work on things meaningfully.

Totalfuckingshitshow · 12/05/2024 08:31

Just to add, I think one major motivating factor in former friend getting in touch was because she likes a drink, especially a bottomless brunch type affair, and she doesn’t really have anyone to go out day drinking with anymore. Especially anyone who knows what she’s like and just let her get on with it.

I’m sure she feels more for us than just as drinking buddies (though she puts her need for an ego boost above any loyalty to us as friends as it turns out) but that’s an immediate loss to her that she’s trying to amend.

She’s also not made any attempt to contact me so it feels like she’s trying to salvage what she can with third friend. Third friend said ‘if you were as innocent as you’re now trying to suggest, why on earth haven’t you been fighting to prove that to Shitshow? Because you know you’re not innocent.’

I love third friend.

NB: I did think about doing the nifty Mumsnet-style shorthand of 3F and FF, but the wine head made it all confusing, so I’ve written it out in full. Apologies.

OP posts:
Nicebloomers · 12/05/2024 08:36

With regards to former friend I believe the youngsters call this ‘fuck about and find out’. She found out.

Totalfuckingshitshow · 12/05/2024 08:38

Zonder · 12/05/2024 08:29

Good update OP. Your third friend sounds great. Friend who stayed sounds like a narcissistic arse.

It doesn't sound like your husband is taking any responsibility at all so it's hard to see how things could move forward in a positive way really.

On this, he had a sort of ‘breakdown’. I don’t really like to use that word, it doesn’t feel like the right one, but I can’t think of another. He has fully admitted everything, says he cannot explain why he did it (I think, opportunity and perceived safety from discovery, plus alcohol) and he is very distressed with himself for blowing up our family. He’s trying to ‘own’ it and answers any questions I might fire at him without defensiveness. Not to defend him in anyway, being honest with me now is the very least he can do. He’s tried to apologise. A lot. I don’t want apologies, I want change. Even if we’re just co-parents at the end of this.

There’s been some interesting things learnt in therapy that I won’t bore on about here, but it’s been a bit of a personal discovery for both of us. And as such, we’re both seeking individual therapy as well. He’s already started his.

OP posts:
Secondstart1001 · 12/05/2024 08:48

I’m really glad you are doing ok! I know it’s still a shit show In some aspects @Totalfuckingshitshow but you are slowly trying to sort though it ( if that makes sense) and this way seems to work best for you.
I know a lot is going on but you sound up beat-ish and haven’t surrendered yourself to sadness and sorrow 24/7!
Your friend 3 is amazing and friend 2 has priced herself to be completely delusional. She knows what she’s lost and the guilt you are feeling is something I understand, being an empath sucks .. carrying your own pain then taking on someone else’s! Take care and thank you for the update as I have wondered how you are doing in an uncreepy way!
Also your son, what a little sweetie ♥️

alrightluv · 12/05/2024 08:54

Thanks for updating. I like 3rd. You sound in a much better place.

Secondstart1001 · 12/05/2024 09:00

The therapy update makes sense re individual therapy .. a lot comes out separate to the initial reason you went in the first place.
You will learn a lot about your self from this .. similar happened with me when I went with ExH.

Cetim · 12/05/2024 09:05

Third friend is a true and good friend. Ex friend is a narcissistic b&*%h who deserves to be isolated so she can't cause more trouble. You seem stronger and I hope yhis continues. You feel guilty because you are a good person with empathy but ultimately put yourself first. Keep hold husband to account you deserve the best treatment from the people closest to you.

Didsomeonesaydogs · 12/05/2024 09:07

You sound so level headed @Totalfuckingshitshow

I’m so impressed you’re able to dissect this in the way that you have and can see through the bullshit.

3rd friend sounds awesome and a perfect ally to have on your team.

That’s great the therapist is holding your DH’s feet to the fire. Too many counsellors subscribe to the “unmet needs” blameshifting rubbish.

You absolutely want change rather than apologies - an apology without changed behaviour is just manipulation. He wasn’t sorry when you didn’t know.

crochetcatsknitting · 12/05/2024 09:59

@Totalfuckingshitshow

I've been following your thread and am so sorry for what you're experiencing.

It reminded me of a friend I had who helped me dress up for a party night out because there was a guy there that I'd fancied forever, only for her to wrap her arms around his head and start snogging him on the dance floor right in front of me. The hurt, betrayal, humiliation etc was off the charts and 30 years later I still wince. I can't imagine the pain of that with a husband and children.

You've had excellent advice I can't add to.

But I wanted to say that I've been struck throughout your posts by how well you write and how thoughtfully considered your posts are.

I wonder if a letter from you to former friend might help you to offload some of the anger and also really get the message across to her: what they've both done, what the consequences are for you, your children. And all for what...? Hearing you again in your own voice might make her realise this is totally unforgivable and also realise what she's lost. But only if it helps you.

MsRosley · 12/05/2024 10:03

You're fab, OP, and third friend is a superstar.

Horses7 · 12/05/2024 10:18

I think you are doing really well - so strong!
Your 3rd friend sounds like gold but you’re right 2nd friend deserves nothing - hope you both stick to that.
Hope everything works out for you and your little ones, I’m sure it will and you sound like you deserve every good thing in the future.

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