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Am I being OTT? Husband and my best friend…

867 replies

Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 10:35

I don’t know why I’m doing this thread. Probably because I can’t stomach telling real life people yet. I don’t know if I’m overreacting or underreacting or what. Please can you help me see through it?

A couple of weeks ago, my closest friend came to stay with us. She’s a long-term friend, very close, visits frequently and was my bridesmaid etc.

I got a babysitter and my friend, me and my H went out for a couple of drinks and to meet some other friends in the pub.

After coming home, I went to bed as it was late and my turn to get up with the baby in the morning. My H and friend stayed up listening to music and drinking some more. They went into another separate part of the house so the music didn’t disturb me or the baby. This isn’t unusual and more often than not, I’d be there too or my H wouldn’t.

In the morning, I picked up on a vibe. I just had a feeling. Never had it before. My friend was overly bright. She came back over very early. My husband very quiet. After my friend went home, I asked him outright if something had happened and he said no.

It niggled me for a couple of days and I suddenly recalled there’s external CCTV that covers that portion of the house, after we were burgled. So I viewed it. And I saw, clearly, that my friend approached my husband and put her arms around his neck and he wrapped his arms around her. They stayed like this, then it became dancing, then it became standing with their faces very close together talking, then they kissed albeit relatively brief and not a passionate one, and then they danced some more and then they separated. My H then immediately text me something inane, and probably guilty in hindsight.

The whole thing lasted around six minutes. It looked very intimate and intense. It makes me throw up viewing it.

Afterwards, they both went to bed separately. I’m fairly certain nothing else happened between them.

I have confronted the pair of them. My H claims he was crying about something and she comforted him, and he enjoyed the comfort. He’s very, very shame faced, upset and apologetic. My friend is trying to emotionally manipulate me into getting over it. Both attempted to rewrite it and minimise it until I informed them I’d seen it on CCTV.

I had expected DARVO from the pair of them due to the creepy surveillance aspect, but neither did. I find that telling.

My H is living in a separate part of the house. Complicated lives mean he cannot leave fully currently. I have ended my friendship. I have asked my H for a separation.

The real kicker here is my H, while very fond of my friend, is twitchy when I go out with her alone because she habitually seeks male attention and he feared I might do similar. She’s very beautiful and very clever and men fall at her feet. The hypocrisy of him lapping it up when she sought his attention is keeping me up at night.

I feel utterly sick and so betrayed. I have lost so much weight, I cannot eat and I cannot sleep. I feel I have lost two of the most important people to me.

But am I overreacting to end my marriage over this? They didn’t sleep together, the kiss was relatively brief, we have very small children, very entwined lives and a very long history.

And before anyone comes at me, I’m not holding her more responsible than him. She initiated the initial contact but he went with it. They both kissed each other. He’s married to me. Not her. Nor am I routinely into surveillance. It just suddenly occurred to me we had a camera and it was sheer dumb luck, or misfortune in their case, that they were visible.

Sorry this is long. I’ve not spoken to anyone about it.

OP posts:
Not19foreverpullyourselftogether · 28/04/2024 22:24

Good luck, and please do pop back to update, whatever that looks like. You sound great, smart and switched on. You and your children deserve love and a happy and secure future.

VioletVesper · 28/04/2024 22:25

Good luck OP. You sound absolutely lovely & deserve better so make sure you get that be it with it or without him x

Secondstart1001 · 28/04/2024 22:26

Good luck! I know you will be fine ❤️

Quitelikeit · 28/04/2024 22:27

Why can’t you answer on how much they had to drink?!

if he had ten pints or three bottles of wine?

or hardly anything?

yes people in rl are not up in arms like the pack on here - why would they be?

you do need to be careful because ppl recommend stuff on here that they themselves would not do in the slightest! They rile you up and encourage severe endings! Aided by your vulnerable state with having young children.

You get the gist………

It was a drunken kiss.

Secondstart1001 · 28/04/2024 22:27

You don’t owe anyone a resolution btw except yourself and you will, in your own time!

80s · 28/04/2024 22:30

Good luck!

rollonretirementfgs · 28/04/2024 22:36

Maybe he is 'twitchy' about you going out alone with her incase she gets drunk and spills the beans on their relationship? I could be way off bud that kind of unfounded mistrust makes me suspicious.
What was her reaction? Are they now NC?

Noseybookworm · 28/04/2024 22:38

Totalfuckingshitshow · 28/04/2024 22:19

This thread has been inordinately helpful as somewhere I could mope or sound off. I was very grateful to have received so many supportive replies, as well as some bloody lovely ones. In the interest of authenticity, I haven’t changed any details so if anyone recognises me, y’ello. 👋 (please don’t dox me).

I don’t want the helpfulness to be undermined, which I can foresee happening 👀, so I’m going to take my leave.

For those who like some sort of resolution, I can’t give that right now, but the friend has gone (I’m sad and furious in equal measure about that), my husband is living elsewhere currently, we’re sharing the child load and starting therapy on Wednesday. My current feeling is that I’d be insane to try to save this marriage but I’m taking one day at a time.

I hope to never be back and to live happily ever after, or to maybe pop back with a new thread along the lines of “My new husband looks like Chris Hemsworth and is a gentleman of the highest order, but he does all the housework, cooking and buys me presents all the time, and it’s making me feel bad about myself.”

Thank you all, so much.

Edited

Take care of yourself lovely, I hope whatever happens it all works out for you 💐

Volpini · 28/04/2024 22:46

StopStartStop · 28/04/2024 20:33

Give me a chance.
You only want people who agree with you.
I don't agree with you, but I don't wish you any harm at all.

good grief!

Volpini · 28/04/2024 22:47

Totalfuckingshitshow · 28/04/2024 20:16

He’s spoken to a couple of friends and his family. The family line was “just sort it out.” Really useful.

As far as I’m aware, he’s in the process of seeking individual therapy. I imagine he’ll try to update me on that tomorrow.

I’m feeling really weary with it all. Part of that may be the smack-in-the-face arrival of my PMDD symtoms, or it could just be a sort of survival fatigue setting in, I’m not sure. But I cannot be arsed with talking about it anymore. He’s wanted a dialogue about it and fuck knows, I had a lot of questions, many prompted by some brilliant posts on here, but I can’t be arsed anymore.

You sound absolutely emotionally knackered.
Take it steady and look after yourself. You’ve got this. X

Bigtrip2026 · 28/04/2024 23:13

Good luck !

Pookerrod · 28/04/2024 23:21

I hope to never be back and to live happily ever after, or to maybe pop back with a new thread along the lines of “My new husband looks like Chris Hemsworth and is a gentleman of the highest order, but he does all the housework, cooking and buys me presents all the time, and it’s making me feel bad about myself.”

I hope the same for you too, OP. Good luck with it all 💐

MsDogLady · 28/04/2024 23:34

Sending my best wishes, @Totalfuckingshitshow. We’re here if you need us.

WearyAuldWumman · 29/04/2024 00:40

Wishing you the very best @Totalfuckingshitshow.

kkloo · 29/04/2024 01:40

@Dahlia1983

I don't think cheating is black or white but come on!! I could comment on probably every single thing you wrote but I'll just pick a few.

She’s unhappy. She’s lonely. She’s neglected. She’s trapped. This is worse than anybody can ever imagine. I’m not defending her actions but I am in a similar relationship and it’s impossible to leave due to finances & young children. It’s not possible to understand the toll this takes on your soul until you’ve lived it.

Most people who say they're trapped aren't trapped. And I say that as someone who left an abusive relationship where he legitimately tried to keep me trapped with suicide threats and brainwashing, When I left I had no money, no job, no family support, no friends as I'd been isolated from everyone, no confidence and I couldn't even drive!

The OP could also say that she is trapped....and the friends actions will be part of the reason why the situation is now a whole lot worse for the OP.

Or it might be that they have fallen deeply in love but have tried to resist one another and ignore it - for years potentially - to protect you and the family etc.

This doesn't make it sound any better. If they were in love and wanted to resist it then they should not have been in each others lives.

it’s my experience that being in love with somebody you can never have is excruciatingly painful and sometimes choosing NOT to have a full blown affair with somebody you fall in love with, who falls in love with you, in order to protect your existing loved ones, is an expression of true love and a huge sacrifice of sorts. Maybe this is what they were discussing. Maybe this is why they were crying.

Again that doesn't make it sound any better.
Is she supposed to feel sad for them if they're deeply in love and are choosing not to be together? Really?? 🤔😳
I could maybe understand people feeling that way if they're watching characters in a movie or perhaps your friend is telling you the story but expecting a mans wife to feel sorry for her husband and her best friend if they're in love and in pain that they're not together? You're on a different planet!!

andfinallyhereweare · 29/04/2024 03:24

@Totalfuckingshitshow

slightly off topic OP but give yourself tons of self care, stress makes PMDD 2000000x worse. You may find next months cycle to be a terrible one. Put yourself first as much as you can as a mother. Be kind to yourself more now than ever, do whatever you need to do to get through the day. Good luck.

Yoe · 29/04/2024 03:52

I really don’t have anything to add to this thread as everything has been said . My dear you deserve the best in life you really really do … this is now all about you and your needs . Sending you the biggest hug . If you have the energy give your husband a good kick in the nuts from me for hurting you

Calliopespa · 29/04/2024 07:28

Delphinium20 · 28/04/2024 17:54

OP, good on you for ignoring Dahlia1983's devil's advocate position. While she may have insight into your friend (or IS your friend), people like her and your ex friend are selfish, overly dramatic types who can't take charge of their lives and instead choose to live in a whirlwind of drama that supports their big idea of themselves...it's a form of narcissism.

Being drunk, having a shit husband herself or just being sad is no excuse to hit on a friend's husband. She didn't have to go there. She didn't need to stay up alone w/ your DH (and neither did he - he could have gone to bed or someplace on his own). Walking over to wrap her arms around him was a choice. Your ex-friend deserves zero sympathy (ditto your DH).

I lost my mother at a young age but it didn't drive me into the arms of my BFF's spouse.

Listen to this post OP.

Real love is part inspiration but part decision and commitment. The sort of dramatic pull that dahlia talks about is attraction and crush. Yes it can set your heart a pitter patter; and when there are no obstacles it’s one of life’s joys to be free to act on it in the hope love might build out of it. But it isn’t love when they are married to your best friend and you fancy them from outside that construct: it’s attraction, desire, want … even desperation. But it isn’t love.

Nicebloomers · 29/04/2024 07:32

Good luck!

BestofLuck · 29/04/2024 08:59

Good luck to you OP. Life will be wonderful for you again 🌺

Mimimimi1234 · 29/04/2024 09:54

Maybe shes come onto him several times in the past.. I think you need to get to the bottom of it then dexide what to do. But the friend is not a friend if she initiated it, ypur husband has been out of order but I would try and work through in therapy with him, then decide what to to and ditch the friend completely.

MsRosley · 29/04/2024 10:00

BirthdayRainbow · 28/04/2024 22:21

Someone please reply to sceptical as I can't trust myself not to be sarcastic.

Consoling means snogging someone, dontcha know?

Dullardmullard · 29/04/2024 11:00

Quitelikeit · 28/04/2024 22:27

Why can’t you answer on how much they had to drink?!

if he had ten pints or three bottles of wine?

or hardly anything?

yes people in rl are not up in arms like the pack on here - why would they be?

you do need to be careful because ppl recommend stuff on here that they themselves would not do in the slightest! They rile you up and encourage severe endings! Aided by your vulnerable state with having young children.

You get the gist………

It was a drunken kiss.

You do know this was his second time cheating and it was cheating and the kiss was 6 minutes long so a drunken kiss eh no it wasn’t regardless of how much drink was involved stop with the excuses and raise your bar.

Dullardmullard · 29/04/2024 11:01

Good luck @Totalfuckingshitshow one day at time as you’ve said