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Am I being OTT? Husband and my best friend…

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Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 10:35

I don’t know why I’m doing this thread. Probably because I can’t stomach telling real life people yet. I don’t know if I’m overreacting or underreacting or what. Please can you help me see through it?

A couple of weeks ago, my closest friend came to stay with us. She’s a long-term friend, very close, visits frequently and was my bridesmaid etc.

I got a babysitter and my friend, me and my H went out for a couple of drinks and to meet some other friends in the pub.

After coming home, I went to bed as it was late and my turn to get up with the baby in the morning. My H and friend stayed up listening to music and drinking some more. They went into another separate part of the house so the music didn’t disturb me or the baby. This isn’t unusual and more often than not, I’d be there too or my H wouldn’t.

In the morning, I picked up on a vibe. I just had a feeling. Never had it before. My friend was overly bright. She came back over very early. My husband very quiet. After my friend went home, I asked him outright if something had happened and he said no.

It niggled me for a couple of days and I suddenly recalled there’s external CCTV that covers that portion of the house, after we were burgled. So I viewed it. And I saw, clearly, that my friend approached my husband and put her arms around his neck and he wrapped his arms around her. They stayed like this, then it became dancing, then it became standing with their faces very close together talking, then they kissed albeit relatively brief and not a passionate one, and then they danced some more and then they separated. My H then immediately text me something inane, and probably guilty in hindsight.

The whole thing lasted around six minutes. It looked very intimate and intense. It makes me throw up viewing it.

Afterwards, they both went to bed separately. I’m fairly certain nothing else happened between them.

I have confronted the pair of them. My H claims he was crying about something and she comforted him, and he enjoyed the comfort. He’s very, very shame faced, upset and apologetic. My friend is trying to emotionally manipulate me into getting over it. Both attempted to rewrite it and minimise it until I informed them I’d seen it on CCTV.

I had expected DARVO from the pair of them due to the creepy surveillance aspect, but neither did. I find that telling.

My H is living in a separate part of the house. Complicated lives mean he cannot leave fully currently. I have ended my friendship. I have asked my H for a separation.

The real kicker here is my H, while very fond of my friend, is twitchy when I go out with her alone because she habitually seeks male attention and he feared I might do similar. She’s very beautiful and very clever and men fall at her feet. The hypocrisy of him lapping it up when she sought his attention is keeping me up at night.

I feel utterly sick and so betrayed. I have lost so much weight, I cannot eat and I cannot sleep. I feel I have lost two of the most important people to me.

But am I overreacting to end my marriage over this? They didn’t sleep together, the kiss was relatively brief, we have very small children, very entwined lives and a very long history.

And before anyone comes at me, I’m not holding her more responsible than him. She initiated the initial contact but he went with it. They both kissed each other. He’s married to me. Not her. Nor am I routinely into surveillance. It just suddenly occurred to me we had a camera and it was sheer dumb luck, or misfortune in their case, that they were visible.

Sorry this is long. I’ve not spoken to anyone about it.

OP posts:
FinkleFlint · 28/04/2024 19:07

Dahlia1983 · 28/04/2024 11:30

This must be a very stressful situation for you and I hope you don’t think I’m belittling your pain because that is not my intention. You have been betrayed by two people you love. I am able to offer some insight, however, from the friend’s perspective, controversially. So many people on here are saying ditch her, end your friendship etc etc but, the way you describe her sad long term relationship - with her partner showing ‘little to no interest in her’ but her not knowing anything different - is exactly my situation. She’s unhappy. She’s lonely. She’s neglected. She’s trapped. This is worse than anybody can ever imagine. I’m not defending her actions but I am in a similar relationship and it’s impossible to leave due to finances & young children. It’s not possible to understand the toll this takes on your soul until you’ve lived it. Perhaps there is natural chemistry between your husband and her. Obviously there is. He is vulnerable because of his mum’s death and so is she. Maybe they have comforted one another and what started out as innocent friendship has unintentionally become something deeper because of an unavoidable mutual attraction. But they don’t want to hurt you either. Hence trying not to upset you by not revealing the truth. They both love you. Because love is not limited. You can love your different children equally but differently. Love expands, it is infinite. In reality, humans are not naturally monogamous. It is society constructs and religious ideas that have imposed monogamy upon us and made it our ‘cultural norm’. It might be that this was a random drunken moment and not big enough to end your marriage over. Or it might be that they have fallen deeply in love but have tried to resist one another and ignore it - for years potentially - to protect you and the family etc. It’s not something that is planned or even acted upon always but, sometimes, love just happens. It does NOT mean that your husband does not also love you. Her misery means that it will be hard if not impossible for her to resist any attention. She is starved and desperate. Maybe they know they can never be together unless they hurt other people they love which they are not prepared to do. This could be complex and, while I do not know the truth of your situation of course, it’s my experience that being in love with somebody you can never have is excruciatingly painful and sometimes choosing NOT to have a full blown affair with somebody you fall in love with, who falls in love with you, in order to protect your existing loved ones, is an expression of true love and a huge sacrifice of sorts. Maybe this is what they were discussing. Maybe this is why they were crying. Life is not straightforward or black and white. I think you need to have an open discussion with your husband and friend - perhaps with a therapist present to guide the conversation - to understand what’s really going on here and how you want or need to proceed. But your friend, who appears to have acted selfishly, sounds like a very sad person. She has hurt you but she might need you more than you might realise.

This scenario doesn’t put either of them in a more sympathetic light. Worse, if anything.

Glad to see OP gave this pile of tosh short shrift.

Delphinium20 · 28/04/2024 19:09

Honestly, OP, a longer separation in this case will hopefully allow you distance from his striving for normalcy and give you time to decide what to do. An infant and a three-year-old need you the most right now and I'd concentrate on them. Also, it will give you confidence if your final decision is divorce as it will show you you can do it.

It's still pretty raw. The time and space of a separation will tell you what you should do. Keep your real friends close and try to find time to enjoy your little ones. Get rest, keep exercising and focus on what you want and need and deserve in the future.

dibly · 28/04/2024 19:27

OP please don’t feel in any rush to make any decisions because some MNs are calling LTB, I think you’re playing this exactly right, and giving yourself the time, space and therapy to work out next steps. There is no right or wrong resolution, just the one which works best for you.

You sound so grounded, despite the situation, hang in there. Also love the sound of friend 3, what a star.

WearyAuldWumman · 28/04/2024 19:28

Totalfuckingshitshow · 28/04/2024 16:32

She’s unhappy. She’s lonely. She’s neglected. She’s trapped. This is worse than anybody can ever imagine.

Yeah, to be honest, I don’t really give a shit. And I highly doubt she feels worse than I do.

I just want you to know that I'm applauding you OP.

Fraaahnces · 28/04/2024 19:59

When you say that he’s spoken to a few people, what do you mean? Counsellors? Family? Friends? YOUR friends? Has he admitted to cheating previously? What has he said?

Idontknowwhattodo78 · 28/04/2024 20:07

@Dahlia1983 that is frankly the biggest load of self serving bullshit I have ever read on here. Take your trauma and your shit relationship and deal with it in therapy, don’t fuck up other peoples lives, particularly those you have the bloody sheer audacity to call “friends”. Your “insight” is flawed beyond belief.

And op? You need time. All of us on here have an opinion (it was the first time/it’s not the first time blah blah) None of us know him or your relationship. You do. So take all the time you need to decide what is best for YOU.

Totalfuckingshitshow · 28/04/2024 20:09

StopStartStop · 28/04/2024 19:04

I don't have any 'wants' appertaining to your life. I hope things work out for you. But I think you are being determinedly, obstinately optimistic, or just wasting time for the sake of it. I suppose if you've tried everything, you won't need to blame yourself if the relationship ends.

I speak as someone who went for 'legal separation' instead of divorce when my then-husband was unfaithful, and ended up paying two lots of fees to get rid of him eventually, when I realised there was no satisfactory conclusion other than divorce.

eta: You are cross with me, I note. I haven't snogged your best friend or made previous 'mistakes'. No. That was someone else.

Edited

This happened a couple of weeks ago. I have therapy booked on Wednesday. I came here to see if I was under or overreacting, I have very small children, he is not living in my house, I’ve been seeking individual therapy, I’m still in mat leave, I’m still in shock.

Give me a chance.

OP posts:
JenniferBooth · 28/04/2024 20:11

Totalfuckingshitshow · 28/04/2024 20:09

This happened a couple of weeks ago. I have therapy booked on Wednesday. I came here to see if I was under or overreacting, I have very small children, he is not living in my house, I’ve been seeking individual therapy, I’m still in mat leave, I’m still in shock.

Give me a chance.

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BirthdayRainbow · 28/04/2024 20:15

@Totalfuckingshitshow you don't owe anyone a quick separation/divorce/reaction.

I would love to know how many women say they would leave if cheated on then don't. These are words on a screen but this is a real persons life, world, reality and it is for her to decide that is the best course of action and to take whatever time she needs. While she has small children and needs to take them into account, she doesn't owe them her unhappiness.

Totalfuckingshitshow · 28/04/2024 20:16

Fraaahnces · 28/04/2024 19:59

When you say that he’s spoken to a few people, what do you mean? Counsellors? Family? Friends? YOUR friends? Has he admitted to cheating previously? What has he said?

He’s spoken to a couple of friends and his family. The family line was “just sort it out.” Really useful.

As far as I’m aware, he’s in the process of seeking individual therapy. I imagine he’ll try to update me on that tomorrow.

I’m feeling really weary with it all. Part of that may be the smack-in-the-face arrival of my PMDD symtoms, or it could just be a sort of survival fatigue setting in, I’m not sure. But I cannot be arsed with talking about it anymore. He’s wanted a dialogue about it and fuck knows, I had a lot of questions, many prompted by some brilliant posts on here, but I can’t be arsed anymore.

OP posts:
Marinade · 28/04/2024 20:19

Totalfuckingshitshow · 28/04/2024 20:16

He’s spoken to a couple of friends and his family. The family line was “just sort it out.” Really useful.

As far as I’m aware, he’s in the process of seeking individual therapy. I imagine he’ll try to update me on that tomorrow.

I’m feeling really weary with it all. Part of that may be the smack-in-the-face arrival of my PMDD symtoms, or it could just be a sort of survival fatigue setting in, I’m not sure. But I cannot be arsed with talking about it anymore. He’s wanted a dialogue about it and fuck knows, I had a lot of questions, many prompted by some brilliant posts on here, but I can’t be arsed anymore.

Best wishes OP. You sound very resourceful and intelligent. I think your own instincts will kick in and guide you into making the best decision for you, your children and your physical and mental well being, in time. But you do not need to rush into doing this, despite what other posters may think.

Delphinium20 · 28/04/2024 20:20

But I cannot be arsed with talking about it anymore. He’s wanted a dialogue about it and fuck knows, I had a lot of questions, many prompted by some brilliant posts on here, but I can’t be arsed anymore.

Fuck his need for a dialogue - he should be grateful you haven't set him on fire. You're a mom to a newborn and 3-year-old and he's way of being a partner was getting drunk and kissing your bff. You'll talk when you're ready. Not on his timeline, ffs!!

Mothership4two · 28/04/2024 20:27

He’s spoken to a couple of people now and I’ve been feeling disappointed he’s not been publicly flogged and banished by them, and no one has reached out to me, but I think I need to not worry about that and stay in my own lane.

Well he will have put his 'spin' on it. Some people may not know what to say to you and some may be taking sides (especially his family). But of course some of them really should be reaching out to you.

StopStartStop · 28/04/2024 20:33

Give me a chance.
You only want people who agree with you.
I don't agree with you, but I don't wish you any harm at all.

BirthdayRainbow · 28/04/2024 20:35

StopStartStop · 28/04/2024 20:33

Give me a chance.
You only want people who agree with you.
I don't agree with you, but I don't wish you any harm at all.

No she doesn't.

betterangels · 28/04/2024 20:51

Totalfuckingshitshow · 28/04/2024 20:16

He’s spoken to a couple of friends and his family. The family line was “just sort it out.” Really useful.

As far as I’m aware, he’s in the process of seeking individual therapy. I imagine he’ll try to update me on that tomorrow.

I’m feeling really weary with it all. Part of that may be the smack-in-the-face arrival of my PMDD symtoms, or it could just be a sort of survival fatigue setting in, I’m not sure. But I cannot be arsed with talking about it anymore. He’s wanted a dialogue about it and fuck knows, I had a lot of questions, many prompted by some brilliant posts on here, but I can’t be arsed anymore.

OP, people on the Internet don't live your life. You don't owe anyone an explanation.

As for your husband? IMO, he should have sought dialogue with you before he snogged your friend.

Good luck.

Scottsy200 · 28/04/2024 21:35

Can’t actually believe anyone on here is saying it’s forgiveable, and your friend is also clearly a CF too, I couldn’t get over that myself.

changeme4this · 28/04/2024 21:42

Totalfuckingshitshow · 28/04/2024 20:16

He’s spoken to a couple of friends and his family. The family line was “just sort it out.” Really useful.

As far as I’m aware, he’s in the process of seeking individual therapy. I imagine he’ll try to update me on that tomorrow.

I’m feeling really weary with it all. Part of that may be the smack-in-the-face arrival of my PMDD symtoms, or it could just be a sort of survival fatigue setting in, I’m not sure. But I cannot be arsed with talking about it anymore. He’s wanted a dialogue about it and fuck knows, I had a lot of questions, many prompted by some brilliant posts on here, but I can’t be arsed anymore.

If it helps any, I didn’t hear from my 1st DH’s family when I called time out on our relatively short marriage. I expected too, but didn’t.

im not sure if it’s because people don’t won’t to get drawn into who is right/wrong, or if they genuinely think it’s none of their business but secretly hope for a good outcome, or if people just don’t know what to do or say…

I wonder though if his family have quietly ripped him a new one for being so stupid….

Totalfuckingshitshow · 28/04/2024 22:04

StopStartStop · 28/04/2024 20:33

Give me a chance.
You only want people who agree with you.
I don't agree with you, but I don't wish you any harm at all.

How can I want people who agree with me when I don’t currently have a scooby what I’m doing? Have I missed something? Did I drunk post last night?

OP posts:
80s · 28/04/2024 22:09

You only want people who agree with you
Agree with her about what?
@StopStartStop You seem annoyed that OP is defending herself against your criticism.

Not19foreverpullyourselftogether · 28/04/2024 22:11

I’ve been there. Beware the survival fatigue leading to an uneasy truce, that leads to a future of inertia. The younger your children, the easier (for them) to rip the plaster off and split. Voice of bitter experience.

Totalfuckingshitshow · 28/04/2024 22:19

This thread has been inordinately helpful as somewhere I could mope or sound off. I was very grateful to have received so many supportive replies, as well as some bloody lovely ones. In the interest of authenticity, I haven’t changed any details so if anyone recognises me, y’ello. 👋 (please don’t dox me).

I don’t want the helpfulness to be undermined, which I can foresee happening 👀, so I’m going to take my leave.

For those who like some sort of resolution, I can’t give that right now, but the friend has gone (I’m sad and furious in equal measure about that), my husband is living elsewhere currently, we’re sharing the child load and starting therapy on Wednesday. My current feeling is that I’d be insane to try to save this marriage but I’m taking one day at a time.

I hope to never be back and to live happily ever after, or to maybe pop back with a new thread along the lines of “My new husband looks like Chris Hemsworth and is a gentleman of the highest order, but he does all the housework, cooking and buys me presents all the time, and it’s making me feel bad about myself.”

Thank you all, so much.

OP posts:
Sceptical123 · 28/04/2024 22:20

Maybe they were crying and consoling one another over their dead mums 🤷🏼‍♀️

If they were crying.

BirthdayRainbow · 28/04/2024 22:21

Someone please reply to sceptical as I can't trust myself not to be sarcastic.

Sceptical123 · 28/04/2024 22:21

Sorry just read your last message OP - good luck x

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