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Am I being OTT? Husband and my best friend…

867 replies

Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 10:35

I don’t know why I’m doing this thread. Probably because I can’t stomach telling real life people yet. I don’t know if I’m overreacting or underreacting or what. Please can you help me see through it?

A couple of weeks ago, my closest friend came to stay with us. She’s a long-term friend, very close, visits frequently and was my bridesmaid etc.

I got a babysitter and my friend, me and my H went out for a couple of drinks and to meet some other friends in the pub.

After coming home, I went to bed as it was late and my turn to get up with the baby in the morning. My H and friend stayed up listening to music and drinking some more. They went into another separate part of the house so the music didn’t disturb me or the baby. This isn’t unusual and more often than not, I’d be there too or my H wouldn’t.

In the morning, I picked up on a vibe. I just had a feeling. Never had it before. My friend was overly bright. She came back over very early. My husband very quiet. After my friend went home, I asked him outright if something had happened and he said no.

It niggled me for a couple of days and I suddenly recalled there’s external CCTV that covers that portion of the house, after we were burgled. So I viewed it. And I saw, clearly, that my friend approached my husband and put her arms around his neck and he wrapped his arms around her. They stayed like this, then it became dancing, then it became standing with their faces very close together talking, then they kissed albeit relatively brief and not a passionate one, and then they danced some more and then they separated. My H then immediately text me something inane, and probably guilty in hindsight.

The whole thing lasted around six minutes. It looked very intimate and intense. It makes me throw up viewing it.

Afterwards, they both went to bed separately. I’m fairly certain nothing else happened between them.

I have confronted the pair of them. My H claims he was crying about something and she comforted him, and he enjoyed the comfort. He’s very, very shame faced, upset and apologetic. My friend is trying to emotionally manipulate me into getting over it. Both attempted to rewrite it and minimise it until I informed them I’d seen it on CCTV.

I had expected DARVO from the pair of them due to the creepy surveillance aspect, but neither did. I find that telling.

My H is living in a separate part of the house. Complicated lives mean he cannot leave fully currently. I have ended my friendship. I have asked my H for a separation.

The real kicker here is my H, while very fond of my friend, is twitchy when I go out with her alone because she habitually seeks male attention and he feared I might do similar. She’s very beautiful and very clever and men fall at her feet. The hypocrisy of him lapping it up when she sought his attention is keeping me up at night.

I feel utterly sick and so betrayed. I have lost so much weight, I cannot eat and I cannot sleep. I feel I have lost two of the most important people to me.

But am I overreacting to end my marriage over this? They didn’t sleep together, the kiss was relatively brief, we have very small children, very entwined lives and a very long history.

And before anyone comes at me, I’m not holding her more responsible than him. She initiated the initial contact but he went with it. They both kissed each other. He’s married to me. Not her. Nor am I routinely into surveillance. It just suddenly occurred to me we had a camera and it was sheer dumb luck, or misfortune in their case, that they were visible.

Sorry this is long. I’ve not spoken to anyone about it.

OP posts:
Boredandbitter · 28/04/2024 03:14

But this is the SECOND time he has made a mistake...

Hippobot · 28/04/2024 08:44

Divorce now will be so much better than waiting. Right now your kids are too young to know any different. If you let this play out he won't step up or change, you won't trust him and then the inevitable separation will be so much worse for the kids as they'll be older.

thethreemuskateers · 28/04/2024 09:25

Her being chipper the following day just shows what type of a person she is, cold and self centred.

My ex cheated with my friend who also was our neighbour. I just think if they can cheat with a friend they will cheat with anyone.

Afterwards they treat me so badly, it’s been 3 years now and they live together. I have often hope there is no trust whatsoever in the relationship.

Some people have no morals, and will quite happily destroy those who have been amazing friends.

alrightluv · 28/04/2024 10:57

@Totalfuckingshitshow I hope you had a great night.

Dahlia1983 · 28/04/2024 11:30

This must be a very stressful situation for you and I hope you don’t think I’m belittling your pain because that is not my intention. You have been betrayed by two people you love. I am able to offer some insight, however, from the friend’s perspective, controversially. So many people on here are saying ditch her, end your friendship etc etc but, the way you describe her sad long term relationship - with her partner showing ‘little to no interest in her’ but her not knowing anything different - is exactly my situation. She’s unhappy. She’s lonely. She’s neglected. She’s trapped. This is worse than anybody can ever imagine. I’m not defending her actions but I am in a similar relationship and it’s impossible to leave due to finances & young children. It’s not possible to understand the toll this takes on your soul until you’ve lived it. Perhaps there is natural chemistry between your husband and her. Obviously there is. He is vulnerable because of his mum’s death and so is she. Maybe they have comforted one another and what started out as innocent friendship has unintentionally become something deeper because of an unavoidable mutual attraction. But they don’t want to hurt you either. Hence trying not to upset you by not revealing the truth. They both love you. Because love is not limited. You can love your different children equally but differently. Love expands, it is infinite. In reality, humans are not naturally monogamous. It is society constructs and religious ideas that have imposed monogamy upon us and made it our ‘cultural norm’. It might be that this was a random drunken moment and not big enough to end your marriage over. Or it might be that they have fallen deeply in love but have tried to resist one another and ignore it - for years potentially - to protect you and the family etc. It’s not something that is planned or even acted upon always but, sometimes, love just happens. It does NOT mean that your husband does not also love you. Her misery means that it will be hard if not impossible for her to resist any attention. She is starved and desperate. Maybe they know they can never be together unless they hurt other people they love which they are not prepared to do. This could be complex and, while I do not know the truth of your situation of course, it’s my experience that being in love with somebody you can never have is excruciatingly painful and sometimes choosing NOT to have a full blown affair with somebody you fall in love with, who falls in love with you, in order to protect your existing loved ones, is an expression of true love and a huge sacrifice of sorts. Maybe this is what they were discussing. Maybe this is why they were crying. Life is not straightforward or black and white. I think you need to have an open discussion with your husband and friend - perhaps with a therapist present to guide the conversation - to understand what’s really going on here and how you want or need to proceed. But your friend, who appears to have acted selfishly, sounds like a very sad person. She has hurt you but she might need you more than you might realise.

Mrsknowitall · 28/04/2024 11:43

You say that your ex friend was a frequent visitor and that her and your dh have stayed up drinking before, is there any chance that those times would have been caught on the cameras too? Do they erase after a certain time, can you go back on them to check? You must be going through hell with the have they/haven’t they thoughts going through your head. Xx

80s · 28/04/2024 12:06

Maybe they know they can never be together unless they hurt other people they love which they are not prepared to do.
If they didn't want to hurt OP, maybe they shouldn't have kissed in front of her house where anyone could have seen them.

Maybe this is why they were crying.
To OP (23/04/2024 10:23) it does not look as if either of them is crying. Not that we should dismiss it as a definite lie. But accepting it as the truth and then going on to imagine a scenario in which they are being noble and kind is a massive leap that OP does not have to make.

OP knows that things are not black and white.

Jonersy22 · 28/04/2024 15:57

@Dahlia1983 Respectfully, but No. Op does not need to sympathise with her deceitful friend or her deceitful husband. Absolutely no way!

I'm sorry you are stuck in a bad relationship, but being stuck is a choice. We are all responsible for our own actions and owe it to ourselves to live a life that is in line with our values. And if we decide to abandon those values, that's also a choice.

So to be deceitful, lie, betray etc.. No one forces you to do any of that. Accountability of your own life and what you have chosen and how you react on unexpected events. That's on you. And you only.

Totalfuckingshitshow · 28/04/2024 16:32

Dahlia1983 · 28/04/2024 11:30

This must be a very stressful situation for you and I hope you don’t think I’m belittling your pain because that is not my intention. You have been betrayed by two people you love. I am able to offer some insight, however, from the friend’s perspective, controversially. So many people on here are saying ditch her, end your friendship etc etc but, the way you describe her sad long term relationship - with her partner showing ‘little to no interest in her’ but her not knowing anything different - is exactly my situation. She’s unhappy. She’s lonely. She’s neglected. She’s trapped. This is worse than anybody can ever imagine. I’m not defending her actions but I am in a similar relationship and it’s impossible to leave due to finances & young children. It’s not possible to understand the toll this takes on your soul until you’ve lived it. Perhaps there is natural chemistry between your husband and her. Obviously there is. He is vulnerable because of his mum’s death and so is she. Maybe they have comforted one another and what started out as innocent friendship has unintentionally become something deeper because of an unavoidable mutual attraction. But they don’t want to hurt you either. Hence trying not to upset you by not revealing the truth. They both love you. Because love is not limited. You can love your different children equally but differently. Love expands, it is infinite. In reality, humans are not naturally monogamous. It is society constructs and religious ideas that have imposed monogamy upon us and made it our ‘cultural norm’. It might be that this was a random drunken moment and not big enough to end your marriage over. Or it might be that they have fallen deeply in love but have tried to resist one another and ignore it - for years potentially - to protect you and the family etc. It’s not something that is planned or even acted upon always but, sometimes, love just happens. It does NOT mean that your husband does not also love you. Her misery means that it will be hard if not impossible for her to resist any attention. She is starved and desperate. Maybe they know they can never be together unless they hurt other people they love which they are not prepared to do. This could be complex and, while I do not know the truth of your situation of course, it’s my experience that being in love with somebody you can never have is excruciatingly painful and sometimes choosing NOT to have a full blown affair with somebody you fall in love with, who falls in love with you, in order to protect your existing loved ones, is an expression of true love and a huge sacrifice of sorts. Maybe this is what they were discussing. Maybe this is why they were crying. Life is not straightforward or black and white. I think you need to have an open discussion with your husband and friend - perhaps with a therapist present to guide the conversation - to understand what’s really going on here and how you want or need to proceed. But your friend, who appears to have acted selfishly, sounds like a very sad person. She has hurt you but she might need you more than you might realise.

She’s unhappy. She’s lonely. She’s neglected. She’s trapped. This is worse than anybody can ever imagine.

Yeah, to be honest, I don’t really give a shit. And I highly doubt she feels worse than I do.

OP posts:
Totalfuckingshitshow · 28/04/2024 16:42

Thank you everyone for the considered posts, even ones that don’t align with how I feel or my perception of the situation. I’m very grateful for everyone’s thoughts and experience.

I had a nice night away. It was just such a needed break away from the house. And my friend’s hosting is 👌🏻 we also started Baby Reindeer. Wtf.

He’s already trying to be overly familiar and ‘normal’ and I’ve shut that down. I can’t and won’t do that. I have too much to work out in my head, too many questions and too many things that I don’t know that I can get over.

He sounds a bit of a monster on this thread but he’s not really. He’s been a self-serving twat, and I don’t think I’ll ever get over what he’s done, but he’s a largely decent human being and a very lovely dad, if slightly indulgent. He’s spoken to a couple of people now and I’ve been feeling disappointed he’s not been publicly flogged and banished by them, and no one has reached out to me, but I think I need to not worry about that and stay in my own lane.

Onwards. Fuck me, am I exhausted with all this though.

OP posts:
Secondstart1001 · 28/04/2024 16:59

@Totalfuckingshitshow I don’t think people ever get over betrayal like this. There is a lot of mentions of therapy however this only helps how you deal with the cheating - we can’t go back to the past and stop it from happening.
Your DP trying to act familiar with you I’d how attempt to minimise but I can see you are an intelligent woman and don’t buy into the bs and nor should you. He needs to be grovelling hard and then some more! and he needs to take ownership of his actions! You sound too bloody good for him tbh! Take care x

Secondstart1001 · 28/04/2024 17:01

“His attempt” instead of “I’d How” - bloody auto correct and tiredness!

betterangels · 28/04/2024 17:02

Totalfuckingshitshow · 28/04/2024 16:32

She’s unhappy. She’s lonely. She’s neglected. She’s trapped. This is worse than anybody can ever imagine.

Yeah, to be honest, I don’t really give a shit. And I highly doubt she feels worse than I do.

Good for you. I don't see why you would or should give a shit about ex-friend at this point.

Secondstart1001 · 28/04/2024 17:03

Dahlia1983 · 28/04/2024 11:30

This must be a very stressful situation for you and I hope you don’t think I’m belittling your pain because that is not my intention. You have been betrayed by two people you love. I am able to offer some insight, however, from the friend’s perspective, controversially. So many people on here are saying ditch her, end your friendship etc etc but, the way you describe her sad long term relationship - with her partner showing ‘little to no interest in her’ but her not knowing anything different - is exactly my situation. She’s unhappy. She’s lonely. She’s neglected. She’s trapped. This is worse than anybody can ever imagine. I’m not defending her actions but I am in a similar relationship and it’s impossible to leave due to finances & young children. It’s not possible to understand the toll this takes on your soul until you’ve lived it. Perhaps there is natural chemistry between your husband and her. Obviously there is. He is vulnerable because of his mum’s death and so is she. Maybe they have comforted one another and what started out as innocent friendship has unintentionally become something deeper because of an unavoidable mutual attraction. But they don’t want to hurt you either. Hence trying not to upset you by not revealing the truth. They both love you. Because love is not limited. You can love your different children equally but differently. Love expands, it is infinite. In reality, humans are not naturally monogamous. It is society constructs and religious ideas that have imposed monogamy upon us and made it our ‘cultural norm’. It might be that this was a random drunken moment and not big enough to end your marriage over. Or it might be that they have fallen deeply in love but have tried to resist one another and ignore it - for years potentially - to protect you and the family etc. It’s not something that is planned or even acted upon always but, sometimes, love just happens. It does NOT mean that your husband does not also love you. Her misery means that it will be hard if not impossible for her to resist any attention. She is starved and desperate. Maybe they know they can never be together unless they hurt other people they love which they are not prepared to do. This could be complex and, while I do not know the truth of your situation of course, it’s my experience that being in love with somebody you can never have is excruciatingly painful and sometimes choosing NOT to have a full blown affair with somebody you fall in love with, who falls in love with you, in order to protect your existing loved ones, is an expression of true love and a huge sacrifice of sorts. Maybe this is what they were discussing. Maybe this is why they were crying. Life is not straightforward or black and white. I think you need to have an open discussion with your husband and friend - perhaps with a therapist present to guide the conversation - to understand what’s really going on here and how you want or need to proceed. But your friend, who appears to have acted selfishly, sounds like a very sad person. She has hurt you but she might need you more than you might realise.

I’m not sure why you have such an insight into the Ops friend and I think it’s a load of rubbish! Some people do these things as they think they can and it’s ok! And all the sympathy should be with Op and not her rat of a friend!

Lavengro · 28/04/2024 17:25

Dahlia1983 · 28/04/2024 11:30

This must be a very stressful situation for you and I hope you don’t think I’m belittling your pain because that is not my intention. You have been betrayed by two people you love. I am able to offer some insight, however, from the friend’s perspective, controversially. So many people on here are saying ditch her, end your friendship etc etc but, the way you describe her sad long term relationship - with her partner showing ‘little to no interest in her’ but her not knowing anything different - is exactly my situation. She’s unhappy. She’s lonely. She’s neglected. She’s trapped. This is worse than anybody can ever imagine. I’m not defending her actions but I am in a similar relationship and it’s impossible to leave due to finances & young children. It’s not possible to understand the toll this takes on your soul until you’ve lived it. Perhaps there is natural chemistry between your husband and her. Obviously there is. He is vulnerable because of his mum’s death and so is she. Maybe they have comforted one another and what started out as innocent friendship has unintentionally become something deeper because of an unavoidable mutual attraction. But they don’t want to hurt you either. Hence trying not to upset you by not revealing the truth. They both love you. Because love is not limited. You can love your different children equally but differently. Love expands, it is infinite. In reality, humans are not naturally monogamous. It is society constructs and religious ideas that have imposed monogamy upon us and made it our ‘cultural norm’. It might be that this was a random drunken moment and not big enough to end your marriage over. Or it might be that they have fallen deeply in love but have tried to resist one another and ignore it - for years potentially - to protect you and the family etc. It’s not something that is planned or even acted upon always but, sometimes, love just happens. It does NOT mean that your husband does not also love you. Her misery means that it will be hard if not impossible for her to resist any attention. She is starved and desperate. Maybe they know they can never be together unless they hurt other people they love which they are not prepared to do. This could be complex and, while I do not know the truth of your situation of course, it’s my experience that being in love with somebody you can never have is excruciatingly painful and sometimes choosing NOT to have a full blown affair with somebody you fall in love with, who falls in love with you, in order to protect your existing loved ones, is an expression of true love and a huge sacrifice of sorts. Maybe this is what they were discussing. Maybe this is why they were crying. Life is not straightforward or black and white. I think you need to have an open discussion with your husband and friend - perhaps with a therapist present to guide the conversation - to understand what’s really going on here and how you want or need to proceed. But your friend, who appears to have acted selfishly, sounds like a very sad person. She has hurt you but she might need you more than you might realise.

Everyone who is alive has experienced deep misery at some point but somehow most of us manage not to fall accidentally on purpose into our best friend's husband's arms. Your attempt to justify OP's friend's actions is just so misguided, unkind and wrong.

Queenofthestonage · 28/04/2024 17:47

I found out my husband was having an affair with one of my closest friends who was also a work colleague. Said he had ended it, swore it was me he wanted etc etc I was completely blindsided had no idea or suspicion we socialised and holidayed with her and her husband, I was heartbroken. I stayed with him for a few months but couldn’t get over the betrayal I left and within a few days they were together. Your husband may not be having a full blown affair but from my experience once the trust is gone there’s no going back to how things were, I didn’t have any children with him so never had to have any further contact. Wishing you all the best as you decide what’s right for you x

InfiniteGoodVibes · 28/04/2024 17:47

He sounds a bit of a monster on this thread but he’s not really. He’s been a self-serving twat, and I don’t think I’ll ever get over what he’s done, but he’s a largely decent human being and a very lovely dad, if slightly indulgent. He’s spoken to a couple of people now and I’ve been feeling disappointed he’s not been publicly flogged and banished by them, and no one has reached out to me, but I think I need to not worry about that and stay in my own lane.

Of course he isn't a monster and I am sure he is made up of several good parts. I also don't doubt he feels remorse. But OP, that will largely be driven by the implications of you finding out rather than the act itself. I wouldn't worry about what others think or do at this point and friends will be unsure of how to be beyond calling him an absolute plonker behind closed doors.

All of this doesn't matter anyway because this is YOUR life in the end, even before your children's (as they will be happy as long as you are) and this is the key to all of this. Can he provide you with the level of peace of mind and happiness you deserve... He sounds too immature and self serving to really put the work in to truly understand what he has done here. Acting normal in an attempt to minimise it all certainly highlights this.

InfiniteGoodVibes · 28/04/2024 17:49

Queenofthestonage · 28/04/2024 17:47

I found out my husband was having an affair with one of my closest friends who was also a work colleague. Said he had ended it, swore it was me he wanted etc etc I was completely blindsided had no idea or suspicion we socialised and holidayed with her and her husband, I was heartbroken. I stayed with him for a few months but couldn’t get over the betrayal I left and within a few days they were together. Your husband may not be having a full blown affair but from my experience once the trust is gone there’s no going back to how things were, I didn’t have any children with him so never had to have any further contact. Wishing you all the best as you decide what’s right for you x

Such wickedness from the pair of them @Queenofthestonage

I hope you are in a much better place now 💐

StopStartStop · 28/04/2024 17:51

He sounds a bit of a monster on this thread

Yes, he does. A monster you are excusing for his monstrous behaviour.
Good luck, OP. You'll need it.

Delphinium20 · 28/04/2024 17:54

OP, good on you for ignoring Dahlia1983's devil's advocate position. While she may have insight into your friend (or IS your friend), people like her and your ex friend are selfish, overly dramatic types who can't take charge of their lives and instead choose to live in a whirlwind of drama that supports their big idea of themselves...it's a form of narcissism.

Being drunk, having a shit husband herself or just being sad is no excuse to hit on a friend's husband. She didn't have to go there. She didn't need to stay up alone w/ your DH (and neither did he - he could have gone to bed or someplace on his own). Walking over to wrap her arms around him was a choice. Your ex-friend deserves zero sympathy (ditto your DH).

I lost my mother at a young age but it didn't drive me into the arms of my BFF's spouse.

MsRosley · 28/04/2024 18:07

Dahlia1983 · 28/04/2024 11:30

This must be a very stressful situation for you and I hope you don’t think I’m belittling your pain because that is not my intention. You have been betrayed by two people you love. I am able to offer some insight, however, from the friend’s perspective, controversially. So many people on here are saying ditch her, end your friendship etc etc but, the way you describe her sad long term relationship - with her partner showing ‘little to no interest in her’ but her not knowing anything different - is exactly my situation. She’s unhappy. She’s lonely. She’s neglected. She’s trapped. This is worse than anybody can ever imagine. I’m not defending her actions but I am in a similar relationship and it’s impossible to leave due to finances & young children. It’s not possible to understand the toll this takes on your soul until you’ve lived it. Perhaps there is natural chemistry between your husband and her. Obviously there is. He is vulnerable because of his mum’s death and so is she. Maybe they have comforted one another and what started out as innocent friendship has unintentionally become something deeper because of an unavoidable mutual attraction. But they don’t want to hurt you either. Hence trying not to upset you by not revealing the truth. They both love you. Because love is not limited. You can love your different children equally but differently. Love expands, it is infinite. In reality, humans are not naturally monogamous. It is society constructs and religious ideas that have imposed monogamy upon us and made it our ‘cultural norm’. It might be that this was a random drunken moment and not big enough to end your marriage over. Or it might be that they have fallen deeply in love but have tried to resist one another and ignore it - for years potentially - to protect you and the family etc. It’s not something that is planned or even acted upon always but, sometimes, love just happens. It does NOT mean that your husband does not also love you. Her misery means that it will be hard if not impossible for her to resist any attention. She is starved and desperate. Maybe they know they can never be together unless they hurt other people they love which they are not prepared to do. This could be complex and, while I do not know the truth of your situation of course, it’s my experience that being in love with somebody you can never have is excruciatingly painful and sometimes choosing NOT to have a full blown affair with somebody you fall in love with, who falls in love with you, in order to protect your existing loved ones, is an expression of true love and a huge sacrifice of sorts. Maybe this is what they were discussing. Maybe this is why they were crying. Life is not straightforward or black and white. I think you need to have an open discussion with your husband and friend - perhaps with a therapist present to guide the conversation - to understand what’s really going on here and how you want or need to proceed. But your friend, who appears to have acted selfishly, sounds like a very sad person. She has hurt you but she might need you more than you might realise.

Oh, so your take home message for OP is be kind. How very self-serving of you. If you did this to your friend, then own it and realise the person you betrayed owes you nothing, let alone understanding or kindness.

80s · 28/04/2024 18:28

Few people are 2D Bond villains. We don't have to be friends with people who hurt us, however nice they are in other contexts.

The long post by @Dahlia1983 also assumes that the husband and friend would benefit most from OP sticking around. But that may not be the case. Sometimes we all need a kick up the backside, a big shift in our lives to get us out of a rut, shake us out of a trance or open our eyes to what is really important to us.

Totalfuckingshitshow · 28/04/2024 18:28

StopStartStop · 28/04/2024 17:51

He sounds a bit of a monster on this thread

Yes, he does. A monster you are excusing for his monstrous behaviour.
Good luck, OP. You'll need it.

Thanks for that. I’ve not excused anything.

We’re currently separated, not technically living together, I’m embarking on therapy as one way or another we’re stuck in each other’s lives for a good while yet as my children are three and seven months. I’ve made absolutely no decisions but as I’ve said, a lot, I don’t think I can forgive this.

I haven’t set him on fire or filed for divorce yet no, which is perhaps what you want.

OP posts:
StopStartStop · 28/04/2024 19:04

I don't have any 'wants' appertaining to your life. I hope things work out for you. But I think you are being determinedly, obstinately optimistic, or just wasting time for the sake of it. I suppose if you've tried everything, you won't need to blame yourself if the relationship ends.

I speak as someone who went for 'legal separation' instead of divorce when my then-husband was unfaithful, and ended up paying two lots of fees to get rid of him eventually, when I realised there was no satisfactory conclusion other than divorce.

eta: You are cross with me, I note. I haven't snogged your best friend or made previous 'mistakes'. No. That was someone else.

M1Holly · 28/04/2024 19:06

Dahlia1983 · 28/04/2024 11:30

This must be a very stressful situation for you and I hope you don’t think I’m belittling your pain because that is not my intention. You have been betrayed by two people you love. I am able to offer some insight, however, from the friend’s perspective, controversially. So many people on here are saying ditch her, end your friendship etc etc but, the way you describe her sad long term relationship - with her partner showing ‘little to no interest in her’ but her not knowing anything different - is exactly my situation. She’s unhappy. She’s lonely. She’s neglected. She’s trapped. This is worse than anybody can ever imagine. I’m not defending her actions but I am in a similar relationship and it’s impossible to leave due to finances & young children. It’s not possible to understand the toll this takes on your soul until you’ve lived it. Perhaps there is natural chemistry between your husband and her. Obviously there is. He is vulnerable because of his mum’s death and so is she. Maybe they have comforted one another and what started out as innocent friendship has unintentionally become something deeper because of an unavoidable mutual attraction. But they don’t want to hurt you either. Hence trying not to upset you by not revealing the truth. They both love you. Because love is not limited. You can love your different children equally but differently. Love expands, it is infinite. In reality, humans are not naturally monogamous. It is society constructs and religious ideas that have imposed monogamy upon us and made it our ‘cultural norm’. It might be that this was a random drunken moment and not big enough to end your marriage over. Or it might be that they have fallen deeply in love but have tried to resist one another and ignore it - for years potentially - to protect you and the family etc. It’s not something that is planned or even acted upon always but, sometimes, love just happens. It does NOT mean that your husband does not also love you. Her misery means that it will be hard if not impossible for her to resist any attention. She is starved and desperate. Maybe they know they can never be together unless they hurt other people they love which they are not prepared to do. This could be complex and, while I do not know the truth of your situation of course, it’s my experience that being in love with somebody you can never have is excruciatingly painful and sometimes choosing NOT to have a full blown affair with somebody you fall in love with, who falls in love with you, in order to protect your existing loved ones, is an expression of true love and a huge sacrifice of sorts. Maybe this is what they were discussing. Maybe this is why they were crying. Life is not straightforward or black and white. I think you need to have an open discussion with your husband and friend - perhaps with a therapist present to guide the conversation - to understand what’s really going on here and how you want or need to proceed. But your friend, who appears to have acted selfishly, sounds like a very sad person. She has hurt you but she might need you more than you might realise.

Jesus Christ, what a load of self-serving twaddle.

Yes, lots of people have feelings for other people one way or another in the course of a long-term relationship. You don't act on them if you've made vows to someone else. You don't act on them if the other person has made vows to someone else, particularly if that someone else is a close, long-standing friend who will have given a lot to support you over the years. What you do is ensure that you don't put yourself in any situating where you'd even be tempted to act on it.

And you realise that exercising that little bit of self-control doesn't make you a heroic, star-crossed lover, but just a basically decent human being capable of honoring your commitments even when faced with another 'love' (or, more usually, limerence).

A context in which you are having your own marital issues does not change one jot of the above. It is a separate issue, for which you forfeit all sympathy from me when you choose (and it is a choice) to behave so selfishly and destructively.

So there's that.