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Am I being OTT? Husband and my best friend…

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Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 10:35

I don’t know why I’m doing this thread. Probably because I can’t stomach telling real life people yet. I don’t know if I’m overreacting or underreacting or what. Please can you help me see through it?

A couple of weeks ago, my closest friend came to stay with us. She’s a long-term friend, very close, visits frequently and was my bridesmaid etc.

I got a babysitter and my friend, me and my H went out for a couple of drinks and to meet some other friends in the pub.

After coming home, I went to bed as it was late and my turn to get up with the baby in the morning. My H and friend stayed up listening to music and drinking some more. They went into another separate part of the house so the music didn’t disturb me or the baby. This isn’t unusual and more often than not, I’d be there too or my H wouldn’t.

In the morning, I picked up on a vibe. I just had a feeling. Never had it before. My friend was overly bright. She came back over very early. My husband very quiet. After my friend went home, I asked him outright if something had happened and he said no.

It niggled me for a couple of days and I suddenly recalled there’s external CCTV that covers that portion of the house, after we were burgled. So I viewed it. And I saw, clearly, that my friend approached my husband and put her arms around his neck and he wrapped his arms around her. They stayed like this, then it became dancing, then it became standing with their faces very close together talking, then they kissed albeit relatively brief and not a passionate one, and then they danced some more and then they separated. My H then immediately text me something inane, and probably guilty in hindsight.

The whole thing lasted around six minutes. It looked very intimate and intense. It makes me throw up viewing it.

Afterwards, they both went to bed separately. I’m fairly certain nothing else happened between them.

I have confronted the pair of them. My H claims he was crying about something and she comforted him, and he enjoyed the comfort. He’s very, very shame faced, upset and apologetic. My friend is trying to emotionally manipulate me into getting over it. Both attempted to rewrite it and minimise it until I informed them I’d seen it on CCTV.

I had expected DARVO from the pair of them due to the creepy surveillance aspect, but neither did. I find that telling.

My H is living in a separate part of the house. Complicated lives mean he cannot leave fully currently. I have ended my friendship. I have asked my H for a separation.

The real kicker here is my H, while very fond of my friend, is twitchy when I go out with her alone because she habitually seeks male attention and he feared I might do similar. She’s very beautiful and very clever and men fall at her feet. The hypocrisy of him lapping it up when she sought his attention is keeping me up at night.

I feel utterly sick and so betrayed. I have lost so much weight, I cannot eat and I cannot sleep. I feel I have lost two of the most important people to me.

But am I overreacting to end my marriage over this? They didn’t sleep together, the kiss was relatively brief, we have very small children, very entwined lives and a very long history.

And before anyone comes at me, I’m not holding her more responsible than him. She initiated the initial contact but he went with it. They both kissed each other. He’s married to me. Not her. Nor am I routinely into surveillance. It just suddenly occurred to me we had a camera and it was sheer dumb luck, or misfortune in their case, that they were visible.

Sorry this is long. I’ve not spoken to anyone about it.

OP posts:
Peaceandquietandacuppa · 24/04/2024 22:07

Sending strength to you. Remember HE blew up your family with his actions, not you.

Secondstart1001 · 24/04/2024 22:15

@Totalfuckingshitshow you haven’t blown up your family. As women, we take on so much responsibility and pain when something like this happens and think we need to “fix “ things. You are trying to process what is happening as the enormity of it is too much. Betrayal from two of the closest people to you. And what’s happened raises so many questions right now, it will utterly torment you. So try and pack those questions away sometimes, not to invalidate how you feel but in order to give yourself space to recover. Thank god the kids have been as good as gold, it’s a very big blessing today and eat often even and little if you can. Get some rest tonight x

Totalfuckingshitshow · 24/04/2024 22:18

Calliopespa · 24/04/2024 21:24

Op has he done anything yet? Tried to reach out?

Yeah, he’s saying all the right things. Bit late though, and I don’t believe any of them. He's just saying them, I suspect, because he’s fucked up and got caught. He says not. He’s arranged therapy too, first session next week.

OP posts:
betterangels · 24/04/2024 22:28

BirthdayRainbow · 24/04/2024 21:24

You didn't blow up your family.

This. Please don't tell yourself that. At all.

Heartoverhead1 · 24/04/2024 23:19

I'm really sorry i don't think this is the first time. It sounds like they were way too comfortable with each other for this to have been the first time.

He also doesn't seem very sorry.

KindaBinding81 · 25/04/2024 01:19

@FinkleFlint makes a good point OP.

Not everyone is like this, but I know a particular group of people who are very laid back about this type of thing.

They are all extroverts who socialise as a big group regularly, and there have been multiple dalliances over the last decade. Some have stayed together, many have separated, but the impact on their now almost adult children has been uniformly devastating.

But they carry on regardless, probably more so now, because many of their children are now deliberately distanced from them on the other side of the world, trying to find their own identity as it clearly didn't come from their parents.

MsDogLady · 25/04/2024 03:31

@Totalfuckingshitshow, my heart goes out to you. Your two loved ones knowingly betrayed you and you have seen the horrifying movie of their treachery.

I hope the counseling that your H has arranged is IC for himself. He made very destructive choices and failed to protect his fidelity, so he needs to dig deep in IC to examine his weak character traits that enabled his cheating and disloyalty. This process needs to be well under way before accessing any couples counseling.

Another reason against starting CC is that H feels entitled to lie to you, so there’s a good chance he will manipulate the sessions. He lied to you for years about his previous cheating. He was dishonest when confronted about this faithless episode, and is likely lying about previous infidelity with OW.

This was an absolutely heinous betrayal by the two people meant to cherish you with their utmost love and respect. They knew what they were doing, defiling your home and abusing your trust while you and the children slept above. In my view, H’s story of crying is another lie. Even if not, it certainly didn’t warrant 6 minutes of romantic embracing, dancing and a kiss. The flow was so easy and intimate — and probably not the first time.

You don’t yet have the full story. H hasn’t come completely clean, and it will be impossible to move forward in reconciliation until he does. Although you’re living in separate areas of the house, it sounds like he has easy access to you and his presence is toxic. A more effective and sharp consequence would be for him to stay elsewhere for a while so he will feel the loss of you, and you can have the space to think and process. I also suggest that you seek IC for support and clarity as you make decisions.

@Totalfuckingshitshow, I wouldn’t even consider reconciling until H comes clean and demonstrates remorse by getting to the bottom of his self-serving entitlement to cheat, lie, and make a mockery of his marriage and family. Personally, in my own marriage it would be game over, as the damage done would be too great to overcome.

Fraaahnces · 25/04/2024 05:01

Tbh, I bet this guy acts like he’s a “new man” after one session of therapy. He’s not been honest with OP, and I doubt he will be with counsellor. He doesn’t want to look at himself atm. Far too painful.

Totalfuckingshitshow · 25/04/2024 06:38

The idea of him seeking individual therapy is an interesting one. He has done previously, at my heed, because he was being self-destructive and was very hard to live with. I will suggest it again. Thanks for the post @MsDogLady

OP posts:
Needanewnamebeingwatched · 25/04/2024 10:22

Be kind to yourself and give yourself the space and time to go through this at your own pace.

It will go round and round and you will think of new questions to ask him, once you remember things that happened in the past, don't be afraid to question him.

LivelyHare · 25/04/2024 12:43

Babes.

Think of all the emotional investing you’ve done in this man, then stand back and view the situation you are currently in. Surely you must scratch your head and say ‘what the actual fuck?!’ Clearly none of it was worth it.

It is true that people treat you the way they feel about you. Now’s the time for you to stop playing this game you’ve been stuck in and leave the playground. Use your maternity leave (a period where YOU should have been sheltered, protected, loved and looked after) to get your emotions together away from other people.

Oh, and another vote for starflower oil and also vitamin D. D is sooo important.

BestofLuck · 25/04/2024 13:06

Take care of yourself, OP. It may not feel like it now, but you sound like a fabulous woman - full of eloquence and spirit - and all that is good will come back in time. 💐

Devonshirerexx · 25/04/2024 14:01

So sorry to read this , I've been in a similar situation myself unfortunately.

What i regret is being the lead in the investigation phase after.

(meaning he went mute, tried to gloss over it, no sorry, when I tried to talk he shut me down and changed the subject)

Not getting the answers.
Damage limitation answers that was until i asked him to handover his mobile phone and 'he freaked out"!!, so i asked him to hand it over or leave he chose to go but his phone was on charge right next to me, i thought he had it in his possession,
That's where I found my answers.
We are working through it still , as i was the one to blame suffering anxiety and depression, so he was dipping his toes to find out what else was out there for him, he didn't find anything worthy.
I always had that gut feeling.

When I look back I kick myself on all the wasted time , life is for living.
We're here for a good time not a long time.

Why is your husband not grovelling?
And living in a separate part of the house? is it giving him time to message her and build a deeper connection? both bitching about you maybe , sorry to say all to this.
It's just food for thought , if he has nothing else to hide he will happily hand over his phone , if you see anything on there then you will find your decision so much easier.
Dont be a fool like me , you are young and have your whole life ahead of you.
Happy mum happy kids.

People who deeply love their spouse don't seek comfort from other females , and do not accept hugs and kisses.

Look to the future and be happy.

Therapy for you

Look after yourself.

Underestimated4 · 25/04/2024 14:11

I don’t think I would be comfortable with this. They kissed, it was intimate I would never behave like this with a friends husband and if my husband did with a friend yeah I’d suspect he’d be long gone.

NBF · 25/04/2024 14:19

I've read through this and wow. I would be fuming. The gaslighting and manipulation would strengthen my resolve and I would most definitely end it with him. She was no kind of friend if she didn't immediately say "hey last night after you went to bed, H was upset and we shared our grief over our Mum's both dying. We hugged it out and I think he's ok now but heads up friend he was crying"

It is not up for debate that he made a mistake, but to try covering it up and gaslight you into thinking it was a different scenario is appalling.

Keep strong lovely, I would suggest individual therapy for you too so you can process this and make decisions on how to move forward with some emotional support.

Take it easy xx

ForgottenPalace · 25/04/2024 14:27

I would personally end it. You do what you feel is best, however. But I don't like it. It's all very yucky. She's yucky and he's yucky. I would much rather be alone than have to live everyday knowing that my husband put him arms around someone and kissed them, passionate or not. And she's definitely no friend at all!!! It's all too gross for me and I would leave all that depressing drama behind and be happy alone.

TheMerryHiker · 25/04/2024 14:55

Hi so sorry for you, the situation you are in.I would say think twice. You don't want to ruin your relationship with your h over 6 minutes, especially when you have a baby too. It's a human mind, anyone can make mistake (him being drunk mean he has less control over his emotions). If he is apologetic and promising to be the best husband ever, I would give him a second chance. Yes you don't need that friend anymore in your life. But you don't want to lose your happy life because of her. Clean him and take him back. Possibly in future don't leave him with another female friend and go to bed. I wouldn't even invite any friend for drink alone with him. That's my opinion anyway. Even If there was more going on, still he can be forgiven, if he promises to be trust worthy in future. He acted physically there, that wasn't right. So many people in world have those type of things in their minds. Every thing come to mind first then it happens in real life. You need some therapy to get over. Easy saying but forgive and forget. You both might have a happy beautiful life ahead together with your child. I wouldn't ruin it over one silly drunken mistake.

2GMom · 25/04/2024 15:45

I think it all comes down to, can you get over it? Will your stomach go into knots the next time he goes out for a drink without you? Will you worry about it the next time he’s in female company and you’re not there? Being together in the family home is one thing, will you be able to forgive and forget?

beanii · 25/04/2024 15:47

Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 10:50

Thank you. I’m so appreciative of such a level response. I’m just so hurt currently. It looks bloody awful on the video. Awful. So intimate. Really intense.

He’s saying all the right things. I’ve been trying to arrange couple therapy for years but he didn’t engage. We’re not good at communicating. He’s saying he will do it now and he’s being more honest with me than ever, probably, about lots of things. I know he wants to work it out, he’s following my lead, but I’m just so shocked by it at the moment that I can’t see the way to go. I also hate having to be the one to decide everything. I know I don’t have to make a decision at the moment but I hate this limbo stage.

Why have you been trying to arrange counselling for a couple of years?

Clearly the relationship wasn't working before this incident if counselling was necessary?

I'm not sure I could move past this incident - I'd leave him.

ExcitedButNervous0424 · 25/04/2024 16:12

beanii · 25/04/2024 15:47

Why have you been trying to arrange counselling for a couple of years?

Clearly the relationship wasn't working before this incident if counselling was necessary?

I'm not sure I could move past this incident - I'd leave him.

Absolutely!

The relationship was clearly dysfunctional even prior to this event so why are you even bothering to chase him or try and save the relationship? He clearly doesn’t care so just walk away.

This would be the final straw for me. Time to accept that the relationship is a bad one and this latest problem is just the latest one in a long line.

Just leave him OP because nothing is going to be resolved and the relationship is not going to get better.

ChampagneLassie · 25/04/2024 17:14

I wouldn’t end the marriage over this. He must be remorseful, repent and rebuild trust but I don’t think you should end things. Perhaps couples counselling would help. Please don’t just throw it all away, without trying to resolve

SoreAndTired1 · 25/04/2024 17:53

ChampagneLassie · 25/04/2024 17:14

I wouldn’t end the marriage over this. He must be remorseful, repent and rebuild trust but I don’t think you should end things. Perhaps couples counselling would help. Please don’t just throw it all away, without trying to resolve

@ChampagneLassie If you read the OP's posts, this is the second time he has cheated. How many times is he allowed to cheat and get away with it and get more chances?

Totalfuckingshitshow · 25/04/2024 18:05

SoreAndTired1 · 25/04/2024 17:53

@ChampagneLassie If you read the OP's posts, this is the second time he has cheated. How many times is he allowed to cheat and get away with it and get more chances?

This is where I’m at right now. How many chances does he get? He’s put me through a lot in our time together, not just infidelity, and I’ve rolled with every punch. I never, ever believed he’d do something like this, after marriage, after babies, in my home, with my friend.

That’s a weapons-grade ‘drunken mistake’.

I deserve better than that, surely?

OP posts:
Heartoverhead1 · 25/04/2024 18:46

Totalfuckingshitshow · 25/04/2024 18:05

This is where I’m at right now. How many chances does he get? He’s put me through a lot in our time together, not just infidelity, and I’ve rolled with every punch. I never, ever believed he’d do something like this, after marriage, after babies, in my home, with my friend.

That’s a weapons-grade ‘drunken mistake’.

I deserve better than that, surely?

Damn fucking right you deserve better than that!

TheMerryHiker · 25/04/2024 19:15

ChampagneLassie · 25/04/2024 17:14

I wouldn’t end the marriage over this. He must be remorseful, repent and rebuild trust but I don’t think you should end things. Perhaps couples counselling would help. Please don’t just throw it all away, without trying to resolve

I agree with you. Both of you try to sort things out. You are a family. It's not like things you use and throw when broken. Every one make mistakes, no one is perfect. Be strong. Think positive. Best of luck.