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Am I being OTT? Husband and my best friend…

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Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 10:35

I don’t know why I’m doing this thread. Probably because I can’t stomach telling real life people yet. I don’t know if I’m overreacting or underreacting or what. Please can you help me see through it?

A couple of weeks ago, my closest friend came to stay with us. She’s a long-term friend, very close, visits frequently and was my bridesmaid etc.

I got a babysitter and my friend, me and my H went out for a couple of drinks and to meet some other friends in the pub.

After coming home, I went to bed as it was late and my turn to get up with the baby in the morning. My H and friend stayed up listening to music and drinking some more. They went into another separate part of the house so the music didn’t disturb me or the baby. This isn’t unusual and more often than not, I’d be there too or my H wouldn’t.

In the morning, I picked up on a vibe. I just had a feeling. Never had it before. My friend was overly bright. She came back over very early. My husband very quiet. After my friend went home, I asked him outright if something had happened and he said no.

It niggled me for a couple of days and I suddenly recalled there’s external CCTV that covers that portion of the house, after we were burgled. So I viewed it. And I saw, clearly, that my friend approached my husband and put her arms around his neck and he wrapped his arms around her. They stayed like this, then it became dancing, then it became standing with their faces very close together talking, then they kissed albeit relatively brief and not a passionate one, and then they danced some more and then they separated. My H then immediately text me something inane, and probably guilty in hindsight.

The whole thing lasted around six minutes. It looked very intimate and intense. It makes me throw up viewing it.

Afterwards, they both went to bed separately. I’m fairly certain nothing else happened between them.

I have confronted the pair of them. My H claims he was crying about something and she comforted him, and he enjoyed the comfort. He’s very, very shame faced, upset and apologetic. My friend is trying to emotionally manipulate me into getting over it. Both attempted to rewrite it and minimise it until I informed them I’d seen it on CCTV.

I had expected DARVO from the pair of them due to the creepy surveillance aspect, but neither did. I find that telling.

My H is living in a separate part of the house. Complicated lives mean he cannot leave fully currently. I have ended my friendship. I have asked my H for a separation.

The real kicker here is my H, while very fond of my friend, is twitchy when I go out with her alone because she habitually seeks male attention and he feared I might do similar. She’s very beautiful and very clever and men fall at her feet. The hypocrisy of him lapping it up when she sought his attention is keeping me up at night.

I feel utterly sick and so betrayed. I have lost so much weight, I cannot eat and I cannot sleep. I feel I have lost two of the most important people to me.

But am I overreacting to end my marriage over this? They didn’t sleep together, the kiss was relatively brief, we have very small children, very entwined lives and a very long history.

And before anyone comes at me, I’m not holding her more responsible than him. She initiated the initial contact but he went with it. They both kissed each other. He’s married to me. Not her. Nor am I routinely into surveillance. It just suddenly occurred to me we had a camera and it was sheer dumb luck, or misfortune in their case, that they were visible.

Sorry this is long. I’ve not spoken to anyone about it.

OP posts:
justtidying · 23/04/2024 05:54

AcrossthePond55 · 22/04/2024 23:02

@Totalfuckingshitshow

I think at this point you've said all and done all you can, for now. It's time to back away from him and stop talking. Time to focus inward on your feelings and thoughts. Leave him to stew all by himself. Keep to 'your part' of the house and ask him to keep to 'his'. Give yourself a few days to breathe and then decide what you want without regards to him and what he may want.

Fully agree with this

YoureALizardHarry11 · 23/04/2024 05:57

Both gone if it was me. Can’t believe people are saying ditch friend and not husband, they are both at fault, not just her. She might seem like the worst offender if she came on to him, but it sounds from your posts as if it isn’t the first time they have been intimate and they opted to stay downstairs drinking deliberately.

Willmafrockfit · 23/04/2024 05:58

it was a brief kiss, plenty of alcohol drunk
a dance a cuddle
they are friends surely?

HappyHolidays22 · 23/04/2024 06:23

anonqrtb · 22/04/2024 10:45

I am strong believer of good people can make bad choices, but it doesnt make them bad people.

I would be asking myself if this 6 minute moment, is worse loosing everything you have currently over?

Yes, he is a shit bag who made a bad choice in a moment of drinking, not an excuse - but a fact. Would he EVER do this when sober?

Personally, i dont think i would end my marriage over this - but this is also dependant on how he is acting right now, and whether he is willing to put in the work to fix the issues hes created.

I've been through similar, and we are still together and if anything - happier than ever. My inbox is always open should you need an impartial ear to vent too x

Absolutely this

HappyHolidays22 · 23/04/2024 06:35

And for what it’s worth OP - I totally disagree with the PP suggesting you keep watching the recording to strengthen any resolve. That sounds like torture; it achieves nothing other than keeping you fixated on the pain, shock and hurt. If you plan to keep watching it, you will never move on no matter what decision you make. Keep the recording for sure for now, but please don’t torture yourself.

I think I would be taking a step back for a few weeks for now - put everything on him, like you have suggested, then see how you feel. Don’t feel guilty about whatever decision you make - staying or going. Be kind to yourself and give yourself time.

Hopebridge · 23/04/2024 06:42

I would be reconsidering your friendship certainly. It sounds like she should have seen he was emotional and not taken advantage of the moment.

He was of course at fault for kissing her but I think you could work through this with counselling. I think it would be good to try. I don't think personally it would be possible with this friend in the picture. Of course that is up to you and it would mean both of you cutting contact.

Blueblell · 23/04/2024 06:48

With young children ect I don’t think I would end the relationship based on this one event. But you need to take time to work it out for yourself based on the bigger picture.

babyproblems · 23/04/2024 06:54

I would definitely get her out of my life and make it known she is very very unwelcome.

I would probably try to save my mariage and keep my family together. I would expect my husband to put a lot of effort in to repair the damage over a very long time.
I would keep the video footage until I felt it genuinely was really behind us and the trust was rebuilt. I can see why he lied. I think most people would lie. He has a lot more to lose than her. I would tell her partner. I would not be quick to forgive and I would use this to improve the deep trust in my marriage. I have been through something similar ish and stayed. It was very very hard and we both did hard work on our marriage; I think the kicker is that when there is a betrayal and obviously its not your fault- often the work to fix the issues and trust have to be done by both parties which seems unfair given HE did this not you. But the win overall is that if you do put work in and stay together and genuinely improve the trust, the emotional intimacy, the communication, you can rebuild to a point where you can face anything in life together. I have a strange new confidence knowing that we kind of have a new level of protection as a couple and partnership and that we have the tools now to face anything together.

wishing you the best of luck whatever you do op xxxxxx

Peaceandquietandacuppa · 23/04/2024 06:59

I think there are some standout points:

  • why did he not offer to get up with the baby so you could stay up??
  • I wouldn’t be so sure this was the only time they’d kissed or come close to it
  • the fact they gaslit you is awful

Please don’t keep torturing yourself with the video. It’s not healthy for you - you need to make a decision and move on. A lot hinges on how he deals with it now. He has to win you back. If he can’t step up then you deserve so much better.

SamWalks · 23/04/2024 07:04

I am so sorry this has happened to you.

I think you need to give yourself some time to heal and come to terms with being betrayed and having your trust broken. You should try and get some answers as to why what happened happened. Seems like it’s a dumb feeling he followed in the moment , but regrets.

Don't feel you have to forgive him, let him know he will have to earn your trust back. This is about you and what you need to move past this.

The friendship is definitely dead as you will need to choose your family here, and there is no way you can try and save your marriage and friendship at the same time.

time is a healer, I hope it all works out x

debbs77 · 23/04/2024 07:12

How far back does your CCTV footage keep recordings? Because if possible I would be checking out the last time she was over, and the time before and the time before

Calliopespa · 23/04/2024 07:17

Peaceandquietandacuppa · 23/04/2024 06:59

I think there are some standout points:

  • why did he not offer to get up with the baby so you could stay up??
  • I wouldn’t be so sure this was the only time they’d kissed or come close to it
  • the fact they gaslit you is awful

Please don’t keep torturing yourself with the video. It’s not healthy for you - you need to make a decision and move on. A lot hinges on how he deals with it now. He has to win you back. If he can’t step up then you deserve so much better.

On balance I agree about the gaslighting being awful.

However, there have been threads on here where the op has slipped, regretted it and is asking if she should mention it. People have said don’t cause the distress, just put it behind you and learn.

Personally I feel OP actually asking about what happened moves it into a different category ; but …fwiw, some people feel it is the easy to treat a one-off mistake without causing further harm.

PersephonePomegranate23 · 23/04/2024 07:29

I cannot believe the free pass people are giving OP's husband because, well, he's a man! How could he possible resist a woman coming on to him?

So what, he never goes put again, never drinks again, is never in the company of a woman alone because he can't be trusted? The fact this is the OP's best friend makes it even worse! If he'd do thst with her, in the family home, what would he do with someone else, elsewhere?!

RenoDakota · 23/04/2024 07:43

Willmafrockfit · 23/04/2024 05:58

it was a brief kiss, plenty of alcohol drunk
a dance a cuddle
they are friends surely?

Are you saying this is normal behaviour?

bradpittsbathwater · 23/04/2024 07:47

They are both a disgrace. I don't think I could forgive this.

Totalfuckingshitshow · 23/04/2024 07:51

Allofaflutter · 22/04/2024 19:53

How awful for you. I can’t imagine how hard this is for you. Best friends are on the same level as family members and the betrayal from her as well is extra hard for you. Wishing you all the best.

The loss of her is being felt keenly today. She was like my sister. I’ve been discussing it with my other friend. She’s absolutely raging about what she’s done, as was I, but I’m having a sojourn into loss and sadness.

OP posts:
Totalfuckingshitshow · 23/04/2024 07:56

IDontOftenComment · 22/04/2024 19:54

There is a lot of presumed thinking from PP on here about things they don’t know anything about and have absolutely no evidence for.
Yes you can stay together OP, yes you can be happy again, but it means facing this together then totally putting it totally behind you both, no bringing it up, no throwing it in his face. He kissed her, is it really such a big deal that you need to end everything that you’ve built together, the family life for your children. He made a mistake, he won’t be the first or the last, he obviously regrets it. Don’t fall for the once a cheat always a cheat rubbish, that is not true.

I think while I’m devastated and totally bilious when I watch the video, what it has made me realise is that our marriage is not good. It’s not where it should be. Like so many others, we’ve had lots (and lots) of stressors, children, financial things going on, and it’s left us not communicating properly.

I always thought we were deeply committed though in spite of it all. I guess not.

Either way, we’ll do counselling as we’re going to be in each other’s lives for many years yet. 😞

OP posts:
PersephonePomegranate23 · 23/04/2024 07:58

Totalfuckingshitshow · 23/04/2024 07:51

The loss of her is being felt keenly today. She was like my sister. I’ve been discussing it with my other friend. She’s absolutely raging about what she’s done, as was I, but I’m having a sojourn into loss and sadness.

Of course, you'll be going through a grieving process. Anger is a great mask for other deeper and more vulnerable feelings.

Be really kind to yourself.

debbs77 · 23/04/2024 08:00

Totalfuckingshitshow · 23/04/2024 07:51

The loss of her is being felt keenly today. She was like my sister. I’ve been discussing it with my other friend. She’s absolutely raging about what she’s done, as was I, but I’m having a sojourn into loss and sadness.

She may be raging, but I'd be preparing myself that she might actually already know about them xx

JamesPringle · 23/04/2024 08:04

Oh OP. This is awful. Same thing happened to me. They both denied it outright (and made me feel like I was a mad, jealous loon) until I told them I'd seen the messages.

I decided to forgive him, and cut off my friendship with her. But it didn't work out. I felt like I'd been shown what he was capable of, the ultimate betrayal with my best mate. When I dumped him, it was a lonely time, because normally I'd turn to my best friend...

I don't blame her more than I do him, but to be honest, I do feel the betrayal more keenly, and it upsets me more in the long term. I miss who I thought she was! It's 4 years ago now, and the anger has gone- it's been replaced by pity. I'd hate to be that untrustworthy, with whatever psychological complexity that comes with that.

Calliopespa · 23/04/2024 08:05

PersephonePomegranate23 · 23/04/2024 07:29

I cannot believe the free pass people are giving OP's husband because, well, he's a man! How could he possible resist a woman coming on to him?

So what, he never goes put again, never drinks again, is never in the company of a woman alone because he can't be trusted? The fact this is the OP's best friend makes it even worse! If he'd do thst with her, in the family home, what would he do with someone else, elsewhere?!

I’m also wondering OP ( and sorry if I missed it) did he actually look distressed on the footage?

BarbaraWoodlouse1 · 23/04/2024 08:06

Oh what an awful feeling it is to be betrayed. Been there and survived it. You will too. This stomach churning doesn’t last forever.

The saddest part for me is that they have lost a really cool human being in you. Not many women are comfortable to let their husband and friend stay up and get pissed together. It’s such a wonderful quality of yours but they’re not up to your level I’m afraid. I have a close male friend. We were in a similar situation - husband went to bed early and we got tipsy but made sure we sat on separate sofas etc - small things that give off the right signals that you’re happily married. And what a dream it is to be trusted by someone and to honour that.

Your friend is very ego driven by the sounds of it. I’d ditch her forever. She’s not your friend. Only you can decide if he is worth sticking with. Let him work for you if that’s what he (you) wants.

Definitely ditch the “friend”. She cares more about herself than you. Don’t change who you are. You’re bloody awesome. It all comes down to them wanting an ego rub. Like a pair of effing chimps!

>>Big squeeze <<

piscofrisco · 23/04/2024 08:17

I'm 8 years in from my situation and I still feel more aggrieved by the loss of my friendship than my then h. He had form to be fair-I knew what he was capable of so it wasn't a total surprise-doing it with a friend was a new low but he had had an affair before so it wasn't a total shock. Her though. She had been my confidant and I thought i had been hers. She was using what I said to her to gain traction with him. It was a whole new level of betrayal and grief really.
I'm glad your other friend is on your side. I lost some people as they remained neutral and in the hurt of it all I couldn't really be around them-even their neutrality felt a bit like betrayal when it was all so raw.

Lots of love to you OP. These are the hard yards, but you will come through it. Maybe a bit altered and more cynical but come through it you will x

BirthdayRainbow · 23/04/2024 08:39

I'm not clear if you've made a decision but my advice is this. Tell him you are deeply hurt but you want to work this out. The only way you can move forward and start afresh is if he tells you everything that has happened between your friend. Then when he does, ask if there's been anyone else reminding him you can only move forward with true clarity and honesty.

Then if there's been anything, even if there hasn't, leave him. You have to be smarter than him to get to the truth and tbh it doesn't sound hard to be cleverer than him.

SomeTrashBloke · 23/04/2024 08:45

This isn't good, however remember men don't do this for the same reasons a woman would. Women are unfaithful for better, men are unfaithful for more.

Which is more dangerous for a marriage is open for debate. Let us say, a man will have a mistress; when a woman has an affair, the marriage is usually over.

I'd ditch the 'friend' though.