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Am I being OTT? Husband and my best friend…

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Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 10:35

I don’t know why I’m doing this thread. Probably because I can’t stomach telling real life people yet. I don’t know if I’m overreacting or underreacting or what. Please can you help me see through it?

A couple of weeks ago, my closest friend came to stay with us. She’s a long-term friend, very close, visits frequently and was my bridesmaid etc.

I got a babysitter and my friend, me and my H went out for a couple of drinks and to meet some other friends in the pub.

After coming home, I went to bed as it was late and my turn to get up with the baby in the morning. My H and friend stayed up listening to music and drinking some more. They went into another separate part of the house so the music didn’t disturb me or the baby. This isn’t unusual and more often than not, I’d be there too or my H wouldn’t.

In the morning, I picked up on a vibe. I just had a feeling. Never had it before. My friend was overly bright. She came back over very early. My husband very quiet. After my friend went home, I asked him outright if something had happened and he said no.

It niggled me for a couple of days and I suddenly recalled there’s external CCTV that covers that portion of the house, after we were burgled. So I viewed it. And I saw, clearly, that my friend approached my husband and put her arms around his neck and he wrapped his arms around her. They stayed like this, then it became dancing, then it became standing with their faces very close together talking, then they kissed albeit relatively brief and not a passionate one, and then they danced some more and then they separated. My H then immediately text me something inane, and probably guilty in hindsight.

The whole thing lasted around six minutes. It looked very intimate and intense. It makes me throw up viewing it.

Afterwards, they both went to bed separately. I’m fairly certain nothing else happened between them.

I have confronted the pair of them. My H claims he was crying about something and she comforted him, and he enjoyed the comfort. He’s very, very shame faced, upset and apologetic. My friend is trying to emotionally manipulate me into getting over it. Both attempted to rewrite it and minimise it until I informed them I’d seen it on CCTV.

I had expected DARVO from the pair of them due to the creepy surveillance aspect, but neither did. I find that telling.

My H is living in a separate part of the house. Complicated lives mean he cannot leave fully currently. I have ended my friendship. I have asked my H for a separation.

The real kicker here is my H, while very fond of my friend, is twitchy when I go out with her alone because she habitually seeks male attention and he feared I might do similar. She’s very beautiful and very clever and men fall at her feet. The hypocrisy of him lapping it up when she sought his attention is keeping me up at night.

I feel utterly sick and so betrayed. I have lost so much weight, I cannot eat and I cannot sleep. I feel I have lost two of the most important people to me.

But am I overreacting to end my marriage over this? They didn’t sleep together, the kiss was relatively brief, we have very small children, very entwined lives and a very long history.

And before anyone comes at me, I’m not holding her more responsible than him. She initiated the initial contact but he went with it. They both kissed each other. He’s married to me. Not her. Nor am I routinely into surveillance. It just suddenly occurred to me we had a camera and it was sheer dumb luck, or misfortune in their case, that they were visible.

Sorry this is long. I’ve not spoken to anyone about it.

OP posts:
Noseybookworm · 22/04/2024 22:45

Farahfawsett · 22/04/2024 12:56

I think the fact that he's cheated before and that you were at such a bad place in your marriage that you wanted to go to marriage counselling (& he refused) indicates that this is the straw that broke the camel's back.

Had this been a one-off drunken blip, there would potentially be consideration for working through it, but given all the background, I think not.

The thing that stood out most for me was that the situation in which this intimacy could happen seemed almost engineered.

If my best friend was visiting (who I rarely got to see), then my H would be the one going to bed early and leaving us to chat AND getting up with the baby in the morning, regardless of whose turn it was (& I would do the same for him if his mate was staying).

When you went to bed, why didn't your friend leave? Or why didn't your H say "don't be daft, you stay with BF and I'll do the baby shift"?

That's what happens in good marriages.

Totally agree with this. If one of my best friends were staying, my husband would have done the baby shift and left me to stay up and chat with my friend, no question. I do think it sounds like these two engineered being alone. They've probably had a long running flirtation. Sorry OP but I'd be dumping them both.

ExcitedButNervous0424 · 22/04/2024 22:48

How long ago did this actually happen OP?

Scotcheggz · 22/04/2024 22:48

Please don’t end your marriage. He was tempted. He pulled back. You have young kids. It’ll be very hard on you xxxx

ExcitedButNervous0424 · 22/04/2024 22:51

Scotcheggz · 22/04/2024 22:48

Please don’t end your marriage. He was tempted. He pulled back. You have young kids. It’ll be very hard on you xxxx

How is him kissing the woman an example of him “pulling back”?!

What else was he going to do?

They were hardly going to shag with the wife upstairs were they!

My guess is if that had happened in an empty house, or another location, it would have gone a lot further than a kiss.

changeme4this · 22/04/2024 22:52

Argh alcohol brains....

His conduct now would be my lead as to how to progress as mentioned up thread. I would want professional help to talk through where his head is at.

Was it flattery, is he wanting out of your relationship, does he fancy her or the idea of being with her, that sort of thing. I agree with the first poster that good people can make bad decisions. Quite likely this was one of them but both of you need to understand why and what drove it.

I'm not impressed with your friend, she could have said good night and walked away from him. Even just a hand/pat on the shoulder/make a cup of tea as comfort if he was upset. Change the picture.

I'm mindful both are adults and they would have known how compromising this evening had become.

I wish you well in whatever you decide.

UPALLNIGHTMNETTING · 22/04/2024 22:57

IME it's a red flag when someone who hasn't previously been cheated on, is anxious about their partner cheating. Weirdly they seem more likely to cheat themselves - I can only think it must be from them thinking "If I was in this situation, I'd be tempted to cheat. As such, I can't trust my partner". The thing about your husband not liking you going out with her, is weird in itself. The whole thing is weird. Sorry OP, I hope there isn't anything more to it.

Not surprised you are raging, with the hypocrisy etc. Try to eat and look after yourself x

Foronetimeonly · 22/04/2024 23:00

I’ve name changed for this as am so ashamed.
After way too many drinks I ended up in a compromising situation with my best friend from schools husband, we were in our 40s at the time.
There was nothing wrong in my relationship or theirs but drink lots of drink and heavy conversation eased the situation.
My friend knows has confronted me I explained what I could remember and begged forgiveness.

She has never told my husband and we are still good friends 15 years on, holiday together spend lots of time together with and without partners.

AcrossthePond55 · 22/04/2024 23:02

@Totalfuckingshitshow

I think at this point you've said all and done all you can, for now. It's time to back away from him and stop talking. Time to focus inward on your feelings and thoughts. Leave him to stew all by himself. Keep to 'your part' of the house and ask him to keep to 'his'. Give yourself a few days to breathe and then decide what you want without regards to him and what he may want.

GameOfJones · 22/04/2024 23:10

Farahfawsett · 22/04/2024 12:56

I think the fact that he's cheated before and that you were at such a bad place in your marriage that you wanted to go to marriage counselling (& he refused) indicates that this is the straw that broke the camel's back.

Had this been a one-off drunken blip, there would potentially be consideration for working through it, but given all the background, I think not.

The thing that stood out most for me was that the situation in which this intimacy could happen seemed almost engineered.

If my best friend was visiting (who I rarely got to see), then my H would be the one going to bed early and leaving us to chat AND getting up with the baby in the morning, regardless of whose turn it was (& I would do the same for him if his mate was staying).

When you went to bed, why didn't your friend leave? Or why didn't your H say "don't be daft, you stay with BF and I'll do the baby shift"?

That's what happens in good marriages.

I completely agree with this. There are too many warning bells going off over this one.

Maia77 · 22/04/2024 23:25

I feel he's probably succumbed to the seduction while under the influence of alcohol. It looks like she took advantage of the circumstances. I'm saying this because you've said that she seeks and enjoys getting attention from men. To her this was probably just another 'victory' and a boost to her ego and that's why she was so happy the next day, whereas your husband felt guilty and remorseful. I understand it's not easy seeing this, but maybe don't make any rash decisions about separating from your husband. As for your 'friend', good riddance.

Bigtrip2026 · 22/04/2024 23:31

My ex cheated early in our relationship too. It was long distance and we were very young so i suppose at the time it seemed more reasonable to forgive him. ( of course i now know i should have just dumped him) Later in the relationship he used to accuse me of fancying men I had spoken to or made reference to when we went out. I never fancied any of them. Anyway he was the one who was cheating with several women. From what I've read and heard this is a common trait in cheaters...they accuse you of the thing they're doing themselves. They're good at seeming remorseful, but what I realise now in hindsight is that it isn't their words that will make the difference, but their actions, and how much effort they put into repairing the damage.

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 22/04/2024 23:34

There is a phrase - forgive and forget.

but can you ?

can you forgive him
can you forget

and as for the friend, well she is no friend !

KindaBinding81 · 22/04/2024 23:45

anonqrtb · 22/04/2024 10:45

I am strong believer of good people can make bad choices, but it doesnt make them bad people.

I would be asking myself if this 6 minute moment, is worse loosing everything you have currently over?

Yes, he is a shit bag who made a bad choice in a moment of drinking, not an excuse - but a fact. Would he EVER do this when sober?

Personally, i dont think i would end my marriage over this - but this is also dependant on how he is acting right now, and whether he is willing to put in the work to fix the issues hes created.

I've been through similar, and we are still together and if anything - happier than ever. My inbox is always open should you need an impartial ear to vent too x

This.

Take a breath. It can happen. I don't think your DH sounds like a bad person - just a tipsy person suddenly alone with a very attractive but needy friend of yours late at night.

It lasted six minutes.

Please don't leave your DH for this. And I think you've done enough so far to ensure your friend NEVER does this again. She's probably right now going through a lot of anxiety wondering if her friendship with you is over.

Imbusytodaysorry · 22/04/2024 23:50

Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 10:57

Whatever I want. Therapy, stopping drinking, total honesty, starting over…

I don’t want to put limitations on someone’s life though. That feels wrong. I want the two closest people to me to have controlled themselves.

In our early days there was some cheating on his part, when we were very young and hadn’t been together very long, but I never thought it would happen again after marriage and babies and not with my friend. I only found out about the early stuff years later.

Is it cheating? Do you guys see it as cheating? It feels like cheating.

Of course it’s cheating .
He also chose your best friend it can’t get any worse .
He has genuinely ruined your life together how will you trust him around friends again . You will always be on edge .
sounds like he hasn’t changed his cheating ways . He betrayed you .

CheapThrillsMeanNothing · 23/04/2024 00:59

danitheastrologer · 22/04/2024 22:25

You are mad to end your marriage over that. You are mad to allow any other women to sleep in your house. You are mad to go to sleep and leave another women drinking with your husband.

Victim blaming here.

BrightenUpJay · 23/04/2024 01:12

I'm sorry this happened to you..If it were my hubby with my friend..I would be concerned. The ease in which they found themselves in eachothers arms then kissing and lying about it sends up red flags.They're already in cahoots to lie to you in tandem. The playing field just expanded. They've set in place consciously,not innocently or accidentally,knowing the consequences of their actions that there will be someone who gets hurt and agreed that would be you.Your home, children and marriage negatively affected,no more than collateral damage. Next to go is trust is broken getting past it to trusting again seems insurmountable.What happened between them is the precursor to the possibility of more to come.Sealed with a kiss..speaks of availability..shes letting him know shes available and ready when he is..His response to this was..hell yes but not here. The crying thing I don't believe happened at all.
He wanted her to approach him and she took the bait. Body language.Personally, I would never be comfortable leaving my man drinking alone with any female whilst I went to bed. As I'm sure he too would not be comfortable leaving me alone, drinking with anyone of his friends.Its a set up to fail..Asking for trouble.Given something did happen I'd kick myself for having allowed them opportunity.Especially when alcohol is involved.Knowing it lowers moral standards and often lead to unrequited unions of a sexual kind.Research shows the main predictor to cheat is opportunity and reduced resistance to temptation..whether that be someone emotional depleted and or crying, drunk excuse I abhor.It does not automatically give a hall pass to misbehave and abdicating all responsibility for anything inappropriate to happen or simply in an intimate setting with someone who is not your partner. I could not get over, around,under or past broken trust or their complicity while contemplating my betrayal n plan to destroy me.Theres no other conclusion. Did I mention I'd be mad as hell? Good, open communication is paramount in any union of the heart.I would definitely use it to communicate clearly my displeasure at leaving them alone drinking more.I would insist she go n he come to bed with me.Take away opportunity n temptation..fullstop.

kkloo · 23/04/2024 01:29

danitheastrologer · 22/04/2024 22:25

You are mad to end your marriage over that. You are mad to allow any other women to sleep in your house. You are mad to go to sleep and leave another women drinking with your husband.

A woman isn't mad if she ends her marriage because her husband has cheated and broken her trust.
She isn't mad for trusting her female friend to sleep in the house.
And she isn't mad for going to sleep leaving another woman drinking with her husband.

ineedtostopbeingdramaticfirst · 23/04/2024 02:00

It's the suggested level of intimacy they have that would concern me. And the fact that they denied it until forced to admit it.

The 'il change' is him coming from a place of panic because you have proof and he can't lie his way out. People change because they want to not because others want them to. I'd be wary of any declarations he's currently making, I'd want to see evidence of change.

Couples counselling is definitely a good idea if you want to save the relationship . It's not just about this incident, this incident has brought things to a head.

Even if you do decide to give things a go you can still change your mind and split.

321user123 · 23/04/2024 03:06

OP I’m really really sorry this happened and I hope you’ll be alright soon xx 💐

Like someone else said, I’d give myself time and then really think whether all you went through together, the ups and the downs, the history, the children etc is worth loosing over this. Or better phrased, can you ever forgive this for a better future together?

you’re going through a lot of emotions and grief. Experience them.
Give yourself time.

Then think this through with a clear head.

The friend though, ditch her. I could not see her the same again. Ever.

Downbythewaterfall · 23/04/2024 03:36

Divorce with young kids is truly, truly horrendous but your relationship would be horrendous anyway if you stayed together.

If I could go back in time and tell myself to leave when he first got caught I would because at least I would have chosen myself. Instead, the relationship limped on for years, I never trusted him again. He eventually had an affair and left for someone else.

It's easier to cope with a divorce as the one who leaves than the one who is left and after being cheated on multiple times your relationship is heading in divorce anyway.

It's even worse that it was with your friend. He doesn't respect you.

BabyEl · 23/04/2024 03:57

The kiss is curious.
when I’ve kissed someone for the first time it’s usually longer and more passionate than you describe. Clothes start to come off or at least, the man tries. Kissing alone is not usually enough.

I guess what I’m saying is….

did this look like a first kiss or something they had done before?

keffie12 · 23/04/2024 04:04

ridingfreely · 22/04/2024 12:41

What the heck is DARVO
I have the abbreviations when I can't guess them

It's Deny, Attack, Reverse, Victim, and Offender (DARVO) is a tactic a person may use to deflect responsibility onto an individual they have abused. It is a form of manipulation a person may use to discredit another experience

QueenOfTheLabyrinth · 23/04/2024 04:27

I don’t think this is the first time something has happened between them OP & I think that’s probably the real reason he doesn’t like you going out with her.

Working through it might have been possible if he was filled with remorse & came clean straight away in the cold light of day once he sobered up but he didn’t, he tried to gaslight you instead which tells you the sort of person he is & I don’t see how you can ever trust him again. If you didn’t have the CCTV they’d probably have both labelled you as “crazy” by now.

Fraaahnces · 23/04/2024 04:44

@Totalfuckingshitshow I’d be asking him why he feels your relationship is only worth working on now he’s been caught and you’re clearly out the door.
I’d also be looking back through cctv footage to see if there is any evidence of “visits” from this delightful specimen of a friend. I bet that they have been playing games with each other for years.

cerisepanther73 · 23/04/2024 05:09

@VividZebra

Ah it's the olde worlde chestnut 🌰 it's Achol that encouraged me to drink there is just something about alchol has that effect,

Alchol only reveals what is allready there in the first bloody 🤔 place
regardless of whether someone has had far too much drink or not,

People can be and are still aware of their intentions and actions whilst drunk in various in various degrees,

Alchol is not as potent as that

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