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Am I being OTT? Husband and my best friend…

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Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 10:35

I don’t know why I’m doing this thread. Probably because I can’t stomach telling real life people yet. I don’t know if I’m overreacting or underreacting or what. Please can you help me see through it?

A couple of weeks ago, my closest friend came to stay with us. She’s a long-term friend, very close, visits frequently and was my bridesmaid etc.

I got a babysitter and my friend, me and my H went out for a couple of drinks and to meet some other friends in the pub.

After coming home, I went to bed as it was late and my turn to get up with the baby in the morning. My H and friend stayed up listening to music and drinking some more. They went into another separate part of the house so the music didn’t disturb me or the baby. This isn’t unusual and more often than not, I’d be there too or my H wouldn’t.

In the morning, I picked up on a vibe. I just had a feeling. Never had it before. My friend was overly bright. She came back over very early. My husband very quiet. After my friend went home, I asked him outright if something had happened and he said no.

It niggled me for a couple of days and I suddenly recalled there’s external CCTV that covers that portion of the house, after we were burgled. So I viewed it. And I saw, clearly, that my friend approached my husband and put her arms around his neck and he wrapped his arms around her. They stayed like this, then it became dancing, then it became standing with their faces very close together talking, then they kissed albeit relatively brief and not a passionate one, and then they danced some more and then they separated. My H then immediately text me something inane, and probably guilty in hindsight.

The whole thing lasted around six minutes. It looked very intimate and intense. It makes me throw up viewing it.

Afterwards, they both went to bed separately. I’m fairly certain nothing else happened between them.

I have confronted the pair of them. My H claims he was crying about something and she comforted him, and he enjoyed the comfort. He’s very, very shame faced, upset and apologetic. My friend is trying to emotionally manipulate me into getting over it. Both attempted to rewrite it and minimise it until I informed them I’d seen it on CCTV.

I had expected DARVO from the pair of them due to the creepy surveillance aspect, but neither did. I find that telling.

My H is living in a separate part of the house. Complicated lives mean he cannot leave fully currently. I have ended my friendship. I have asked my H for a separation.

The real kicker here is my H, while very fond of my friend, is twitchy when I go out with her alone because she habitually seeks male attention and he feared I might do similar. She’s very beautiful and very clever and men fall at her feet. The hypocrisy of him lapping it up when she sought his attention is keeping me up at night.

I feel utterly sick and so betrayed. I have lost so much weight, I cannot eat and I cannot sleep. I feel I have lost two of the most important people to me.

But am I overreacting to end my marriage over this? They didn’t sleep together, the kiss was relatively brief, we have very small children, very entwined lives and a very long history.

And before anyone comes at me, I’m not holding her more responsible than him. She initiated the initial contact but he went with it. They both kissed each other. He’s married to me. Not her. Nor am I routinely into surveillance. It just suddenly occurred to me we had a camera and it was sheer dumb luck, or misfortune in their case, that they were visible.

Sorry this is long. I’ve not spoken to anyone about it.

OP posts:
ExcitedButNervous0424 · 22/04/2024 21:01

Pippin24 · 22/04/2024 19:18

OP the thing that flags to me is the comment re him being nervous when you were out socialising with her - was he perhaps worried that she may meet someone she would be serious about? Was the anxiety actually jealousy? I’m so sorry this happened to you it is the very worst betrayal.

im sorry but for them to take such a chance as they did in your home with you asleep upstairs makes me think that this isn’t the first time. It’s like they are getting a thrill out of it.

I agree - all efforts should be coming from him. As for her - keep far away from her - she’s no friend to anyone but herself. You are stronger than you know

My guess is that the reason he didn’t want OP going out with her friend is because he was scared the friend would get drunk and tell OP all about what has probably been going on behind her back for some time.

alwaystired42 · 22/04/2024 21:09

I’d be fuming, but I don’t think I’d break up my family.
how is he in other aspects of your relationship? Good dad? Happy relationship?
Youve said you have a new baby and PMDD, was he feeling neglected prior to this incident, has he been struggling mentally himself? (not that these are excuses, just makes it easier to see how he could be seduced by someone familiar/funny/attractive under the influence of alcohol) how drunk where they?
its minor but it is cheating in my opinion, but with children involved, I probably wouldn’t rush into ending it unless you see no way of trusting him again, I certainly wouldn’t let him off light, he needs to be prepared to put in the work

LindaDawn · 22/04/2024 21:10

I don’t think I would end my marriage. I haven’t read every single post but had they both been drinking? I am sorry this has happened to you.

Porageeater · 22/04/2024 21:20

I’m sorry this has happened to you. What a pair of arseholes. I’ve been through a traumatic betrayal recently myself. You’ve had some measured advice on this thread and I would echo giving yourself some time, you don’t need to make big decisions right away.

LuckySantangelo35 · 22/04/2024 21:22

WearyAuldWumman · 22/04/2024 19:20

Your life is entwined with your husband's. It is not entwined with your friend's. You can ditch her.

@WearyAuldWumman

she can ditch him too

no one should ever stay with a cheating partner just for the kids sake. It’s no good for anyone

Funkadoodledoo · 22/04/2024 21:23

OP, whatever you decide to do, you will come out of this ok. It doesn’t feel like it now, in the endless dark places of your own head at night, but you will.

If you leave him now, you’ll find yourself again and be happy eventually. If you stay and he man’s up and sorts himself out and becomes a model partner and you are happy with that, you will be all good too. If you stay and then he fucks you about again further down the line, you will leave him and find your happy and your peace someplace else.

I hope you reach that good place quickly.

coffeeandcake91 · 22/04/2024 21:26

Quitelikeit · 22/04/2024 20:50

Was this a drunken snog? How drunk were they? Very drunk?

How comes they didn’t take it further? Who instigated the kiss?

Someone above mentioned opportune cheating and the scenarios that it’s likely to occur - was it just one of those?

I know you are angry, upset and hurt but there’s no use looking for things that are not there or that don’t exist.

Being drunk can truly alter one’s decision making

Not when you're married. Shouldn't matter how drunk you are, you cannot excuse cheating whether it's just a kiss, sexual contact or full blown sex!

You cannot blame the drink.

ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees · 22/04/2024 21:30

I don't know.

He could have told you initially- he didn't
He could have told you when you asked him - he didn't
He only told you because he was caught- if there's wasn't any video, you would never ever know
He would have allowed you stay friends with this woman - knowing she's no friend to you

The crying issue sounds like a half baked story.

I don't think he has actually been truely honest yet.

I'm not saying leave but if it were me, there would be massive ground to make up. I would find it extremely difficult to forgive. If my best friend isn't off limits, who is, my sisters, my mum, my aunts?

As for her, she isn't even worth taking about. Your other friend is a decent one.

calamalinga · 22/04/2024 21:30

Not OTT at all

WalkingaroundJardine · 22/04/2024 21:33

I think reading this thread there must be many married or partnered people who accept their other halves cheating, though not happy with it and would rather they didn’t do it.
It’s not clear the extent of cheating the H in this thread has done as he lied when initially confronted with the affair and there is his previous cheating pattern earlier in the relationship too.

I would take your time @Totalfuckingshitshow and use the couples counselling as your decision making tool. But I do think staying with him will likely involve accepting him as a likely secretive cheater and learning you would not have control over that, other than ending the relationship.

WearyAuldWumman · 22/04/2024 21:39

LuckySantangelo35 · 22/04/2024 21:22

@WearyAuldWumman

she can ditch him too

no one should ever stay with a cheating partner just for the kids sake. It’s no good for anyone

Given what I've read in the other posts, I'm inclined to agree.

Lifeisapeach · 22/04/2024 21:42

Sorry OP despite what people are saying above. I just get vibes that this isn’t isolated.

I wouldn’t be able to trust your husband going forward. Yes it was 6 minutes but to do that in your own home while you sleep is sickening. It’s pure betrayal. If he could do this once he will do it again. (If he hasn’t already).

to use excuses like dead parents is just terrible. There is no excuse.

sorry you are going through this.

DGPP · 22/04/2024 21:46

I wouldn’t end my marriage over this, I can even imagine myself getting drunk and doing this for a few minutes and I love my husband very much.
this isn’t marriage ending. However you do both need counseling, you need to block all contact. With your friend and tell DH that if you ever, ever catch him doing anything like it again, it’s over.
but no, I wouldn’t change my children’s lives so dramatically over a 6 minute hug and kiss

betterangels · 22/04/2024 21:52

Sparklfairy · 22/04/2024 11:26

At first he said, though had retracted this and apologised, that I was only entitled to his comfort if he was able to remain my husband.

This is awful. He's in no position to make demands. I'll only do x if you do y for me!? fuck that noise.

Absolutely this. He could fuck off for that alone.

justanotherrandomperson · 22/04/2024 22:04

This didn't occur in a vacuum. It isn't just six minutes of madness (under the influence of too much alcohol).

It's that he did this with your 'best friend'.
It's that it happened in your own home, while you slept, with your young children in the home, too.
It's his history of cheating (and not revealing it until much later), and his attempts to cover up this, as well.
It's your recent relationship problems.
It's the apparent emotional intimacy between them, and yet his statement that you don't deserve his comfort (!?) unless you commit to staying with him before you've had a chance to really get your head around what's happened.

This is more than some stupid little mistake, in my opinion, and he'd need to be begging me to forgive him before I'd even consider allowing him to earn the right to remain my husband. I'm not getting the impression that he's taking a proactive approach to improving things. He needs to be desperately fighting for you, not standing passively by and waiting for you to give him your 'list of demands' or rules for being allowed to forget this ever happened.

Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 22:05

ExcitedButNervous0424 · 22/04/2024 19:03

Hi OP,

I don’t think I could ever forgive this. I can’t imagine how much it hurt to watch that video.

On the plus side, it’s great you have it because every single time he tries to downplay it, or you feel your resolve is weakening, watch it again to give you the strength to keep going and to remind yourself that you deserve so, so much better.

They may not have had sex but the intimacy of this is just sickening. I wouldn’t ever be able to get over that.

or you feel your resolve is weakening, watch it again to give you the strength to keep going

This is what I’ve been doing. It’s savage.

OP posts:
Dullardmullard · 22/04/2024 22:07

Yes end the friendship as you won’t trust her again but she isn’t some vixen even if she kissed him first he went there he could have stopped it right away and chose not to.

take your time @Totalfuckingshitshow only you can decide on what’s best.

watch his actions from now and see what he does as it might be an eye opener

KomodoOhno · 22/04/2024 22:13

I think you have been incredibly strong. For me there would be no coming back from this. It would just be too much betrayal for me. But what ever you decide I wish you the best. You don't deserve this from either of them.

thebestinterest · 22/04/2024 22:15

Op, I don’t think you’re overreacting. That is insanely disrespectful of both of them. And your DH for not full stop asking what she was doing in the moment? He enjoyed the comfort? Seriously?

I’m afraid this would end my friendship as well. And possibly my marriage as I would not be able to trust again. I’m also sorry!

IsawwhatIsaw · 22/04/2024 22:16

ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees · 22/04/2024 21:30

I don't know.

He could have told you initially- he didn't
He could have told you when you asked him - he didn't
He only told you because he was caught- if there's wasn't any video, you would never ever know
He would have allowed you stay friends with this woman - knowing she's no friend to you

The crying issue sounds like a half baked story.

I don't think he has actually been truely honest yet.

I'm not saying leave but if it were me, there would be massive ground to make up. I would find it extremely difficult to forgive. If my best friend isn't off limits, who is, my sisters, my mum, my aunts?

As for her, she isn't even worth taking about. Your other friend is a decent one.

All this.
I doubt very much it’s the first time. Only the first time he was caught.
I’d take your time, do what’s best for you, get support from your real friends and family. But he’s already shown you he’s a liar, and could you ever trust him again?

mrswinter69 · 22/04/2024 22:25

Life's too short. Ditch both of the treacherous twats and move on. Big hugs. X

danitheastrologer · 22/04/2024 22:25

You are mad to end your marriage over that. You are mad to allow any other women to sleep in your house. You are mad to go to sleep and leave another women drinking with your husband.

Tillievanilly · 22/04/2024 22:28

No one commenting has seen the video. Was she coming onto him? Did he allow it? Is she a woman who likes a challenge, and saw him as that. Is he showing you he is sorry. I’m not sure I would quit my marriage over it. But he needs to start talking and to show you that he cares. He hasn’t showed you that. He may have shocked himself. My ex kissed someone at the beginning of our relationship. I never fully trusted him after that. Couples counselling is the answer. I hope it is nothing more than a drunken kiss but I would be wary.

Tahlbias · 22/04/2024 22:39

What an awful thing to have happened to you! I think, if you was to give him another chance, the trust will never be there

EdithArtois · 22/04/2024 22:41

How much alcohol and how old are the two of you? A few ciders and you are in your 50s I would kick him to the kerb. Too much booze and 25 and I might give him another go