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Am I being OTT? Husband and my best friend…

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Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 10:35

I don’t know why I’m doing this thread. Probably because I can’t stomach telling real life people yet. I don’t know if I’m overreacting or underreacting or what. Please can you help me see through it?

A couple of weeks ago, my closest friend came to stay with us. She’s a long-term friend, very close, visits frequently and was my bridesmaid etc.

I got a babysitter and my friend, me and my H went out for a couple of drinks and to meet some other friends in the pub.

After coming home, I went to bed as it was late and my turn to get up with the baby in the morning. My H and friend stayed up listening to music and drinking some more. They went into another separate part of the house so the music didn’t disturb me or the baby. This isn’t unusual and more often than not, I’d be there too or my H wouldn’t.

In the morning, I picked up on a vibe. I just had a feeling. Never had it before. My friend was overly bright. She came back over very early. My husband very quiet. After my friend went home, I asked him outright if something had happened and he said no.

It niggled me for a couple of days and I suddenly recalled there’s external CCTV that covers that portion of the house, after we were burgled. So I viewed it. And I saw, clearly, that my friend approached my husband and put her arms around his neck and he wrapped his arms around her. They stayed like this, then it became dancing, then it became standing with their faces very close together talking, then they kissed albeit relatively brief and not a passionate one, and then they danced some more and then they separated. My H then immediately text me something inane, and probably guilty in hindsight.

The whole thing lasted around six minutes. It looked very intimate and intense. It makes me throw up viewing it.

Afterwards, they both went to bed separately. I’m fairly certain nothing else happened between them.

I have confronted the pair of them. My H claims he was crying about something and she comforted him, and he enjoyed the comfort. He’s very, very shame faced, upset and apologetic. My friend is trying to emotionally manipulate me into getting over it. Both attempted to rewrite it and minimise it until I informed them I’d seen it on CCTV.

I had expected DARVO from the pair of them due to the creepy surveillance aspect, but neither did. I find that telling.

My H is living in a separate part of the house. Complicated lives mean he cannot leave fully currently. I have ended my friendship. I have asked my H for a separation.

The real kicker here is my H, while very fond of my friend, is twitchy when I go out with her alone because she habitually seeks male attention and he feared I might do similar. She’s very beautiful and very clever and men fall at her feet. The hypocrisy of him lapping it up when she sought his attention is keeping me up at night.

I feel utterly sick and so betrayed. I have lost so much weight, I cannot eat and I cannot sleep. I feel I have lost two of the most important people to me.

But am I overreacting to end my marriage over this? They didn’t sleep together, the kiss was relatively brief, we have very small children, very entwined lives and a very long history.

And before anyone comes at me, I’m not holding her more responsible than him. She initiated the initial contact but he went with it. They both kissed each other. He’s married to me. Not her. Nor am I routinely into surveillance. It just suddenly occurred to me we had a camera and it was sheer dumb luck, or misfortune in their case, that they were visible.

Sorry this is long. I’ve not spoken to anyone about it.

OP posts:
CroftonWillow · 22/04/2024 19:47

I'd bin the friend. It's very poor from your DH but to give a slightly different angle - he'd been drinking, she came right up to him and you say he likes her (as a person) and she's very beautiful. Not justifying what he did but I can understand how it happened in the moment. If he's truly very remorseful and willing to put in a lot of effort to repair your relationship I might give it a chance.

Theunamedcat · 22/04/2024 19:51

She can go completely

Him you have children you will still need to deal with so maybe use the couples counselling to get yourselves into a good coparenting relationship

Allofaflutter · 22/04/2024 19:53

How awful for you. I can’t imagine how hard this is for you. Best friends are on the same level as family members and the betrayal from her as well is extra hard for you. Wishing you all the best.

IDontOftenComment · 22/04/2024 19:54

There is a lot of presumed thinking from PP on here about things they don’t know anything about and have absolutely no evidence for.
Yes you can stay together OP, yes you can be happy again, but it means facing this together then totally putting it totally behind you both, no bringing it up, no throwing it in his face. He kissed her, is it really such a big deal that you need to end everything that you’ve built together, the family life for your children. He made a mistake, he won’t be the first or the last, he obviously regrets it. Don’t fall for the once a cheat always a cheat rubbish, that is not true.

Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 19:54

KreedKafer · 22/04/2024 17:31

I’ve been trying to arrange couple therapy for years but he didn’t engage

If you've been trying to arrange therapy as a couple, for years, does that means you haven't had the happiest of marriages even before this happened?

I think anyone in your situation would feel hurt, angry and betrayed, regardless of the circumstances. That's a given. But aside from that, does it feel like a sudden, out-of-character bombshell landing on a previously happy and harmonious relationship? Or does it feel like the last straw in a succession of difficulties? Obviously, it's devastating either way, but perhaps for different reasons. I think that would make a difference for me in whether I wanted to save the marriage.

But aside from that, does it feel like a sudden, out-of-character bombshell landing on a previously happy and harmonious relationship? Or does it feel like the last straw in a succession of difficulties?

Our relationship is challenging, for various reasons. I wanted therapy so we could communicate properly. We’re not good. He’s emotionally unavailable, and only wants to hear about problems if he can fix them. I suffer with PMDD following my second child and can be suicidal thoughts and pit of despair one minute, to flying off the handle because my sleeve got caught on a door handle the next. But I’d been tackling them. I’d seen multiple doctors and was starting solo therapy.

But honestly, it feels like the latter. I truly never thought he’d cheat again, so it has blindsided me but oddly, I’m also not surprised. It’s just scary thinking about everything I’d have to do if I ended my marriage.

OP posts:
Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 19:55

lul1 · 22/04/2024 17:55

both lost their mums a year or two ago

You don't seem so close to your friend if you don't know whether her mum died 1 or 2 years ago?

I’m being vague. I’m very aware of when it was, I spoke at her funeral.

OP posts:
ofcourseyes · 22/04/2024 20:01

lul1 · 22/04/2024 17:55

both lost their mums a year or two ago

You don't seem so close to your friend if you don't know whether her mum died 1 or 2 years ago?

Fucking he'll @lul1 this is the thing you're focusing on?

coffeeandcake91 · 22/04/2024 20:01

I read the post OP but not clear on this. Did your husband admit what happened?

In terms of the friend, I'd be done with her. You've known her longer, and she's broken your trust in a way that cannot be repaired. She would do this to all her friends.

Your husband, I'm more confused about. I'd probably ditch him too. Purely because of the trust. Once it's broken, the marriage is done. You can't live a life of 'what ifs' every time he goes out without you.

TitanTins · 22/04/2024 20:10

@Totalfuckingshitshow

I think you need to recognise that you are actually the strong one in all of this, even though you may not feel that way.

These are two people who have screwed up badly, they have behaved very weakly.

They’ve also put some very difficult and life changing decision making right at your door. This is so unfair.

Your children clearly have the proactive, strong, trustworthy and good decision maker in you. Be proud of that. Whatever you decide to do next, you will be right - because you are ‘you’. You have all those qualities.

Calliopespa · 22/04/2024 20:14

TitanTins · 22/04/2024 20:10

@Totalfuckingshitshow

I think you need to recognise that you are actually the strong one in all of this, even though you may not feel that way.

These are two people who have screwed up badly, they have behaved very weakly.

They’ve also put some very difficult and life changing decision making right at your door. This is so unfair.

Your children clearly have the proactive, strong, trustworthy and good decision maker in you. Be proud of that. Whatever you decide to do next, you will be right - because you are ‘you’. You have all those qualities.

That’s very true OP.

PriscillaPresssley · 22/04/2024 20:14

You've been given so much good advice, I'm just going to say something from my own perspective.

You picked up immediately in the morning that something was off, even though they denied it. This would make me think it was the first time, if they were familiar with cheating they would have been more able to pretend, sounds like they were pissed, she's very pretty, and it was a "moment".

The thing that would concern me, if that actually was the case and you didn't have the cctv footage, they were denying it.....if another occasion arose would it happen again?

Anyway, you have done the right thing ditching her, and only you will know whether you can come to terms with something they would never have admitted if you hadn't the proof. It's such a huge dilemma and I would do nothing in the meantime and see how much effort and what he does to reassure you.

I wish it hadn't happened, its horrible for you

debbs77 · 22/04/2024 20:15

I could've written your post myself.

But she was a new mum friend who I invited over for a play date with my daughter. He was home too and we all got on.

One night they were staying for dinner, kids all in bed, all under 6. No drinking involved. I decided to go to bed as I'd be up with our 9 month old in the night.

Came down in the morning to find them both asleep. Her on the sofa, him on the cfloor but alongside her (if that makes sense).

Went out together the next day, and like you, something felt off.

From then on they would spend time together sometimes when I was working, or he would help her with DIY etc.

Long story short, they had a full blown affair in the end, married, had a child together. It was a horrendous time of my life.

She ended up having an affair with his brother.

I think that even IF it was those 6 minutes and nothing more, you'll never trust him again. I personally couldn't live with that constant worry.

Frances0911 · 22/04/2024 20:15

I would definitely ditch the friend permanently and have nothing to do with her ever again. Your husband, I'm not sure what I'd do. What an awful situation for you.

Calliopespa · 22/04/2024 20:18

debbs77 · 22/04/2024 20:15

I could've written your post myself.

But she was a new mum friend who I invited over for a play date with my daughter. He was home too and we all got on.

One night they were staying for dinner, kids all in bed, all under 6. No drinking involved. I decided to go to bed as I'd be up with our 9 month old in the night.

Came down in the morning to find them both asleep. Her on the sofa, him on the cfloor but alongside her (if that makes sense).

Went out together the next day, and like you, something felt off.

From then on they would spend time together sometimes when I was working, or he would help her with DIY etc.

Long story short, they had a full blown affair in the end, married, had a child together. It was a horrendous time of my life.

She ended up having an affair with his brother.

I think that even IF it was those 6 minutes and nothing more, you'll never trust him again. I personally couldn't live with that constant worry.

There’s just something about those women who have to take other people’s men or brothers etc ….

MumTeacherofMany · 22/04/2024 20:19

You literally watched proof of inappropriate behaviour. Neither are loyal. Please get rid!

PerfectTravelTote · 22/04/2024 20:30

But am I overreacting to end my marriage over this?

Yes, I think so.

Rosesanddaffs · 22/04/2024 20:34

I’m sorry you are going through this, but good on you for following through with your gut feeling.

Imagine if you didn’t have the CCTV footage, they would have happily continued to lie to your face.

The trust has gone but this can be repaired but it will take a lot of work on his part.

As for your friend, good riddance to bad rubbish xx

debbs77 · 22/04/2024 20:34

Calliopespa · 22/04/2024 20:18

There’s just something about those women who have to take other people’s men or brothers etc ….

He was also married with 2 kids and had been for years, as had me and my ex husband.

My ex did spin her a few lines though, but even so. Why go there.

Pl242 · 22/04/2024 20:35

I’ve not been in this situation but have been in a situation when I’ve been seriously betrayed by a partner. There were many things that led me not to forgive him but one of the main things was his complete lack of effort to proactively earn back my trust. It was all “I’ll do anything, just tell me there’s a chance, what do you want” but I was like no, you need to throw the kitchen sink at this with no guarantees. If you’re not prepared to do that then it tells me everything I need to know about how you truly feel about me. Your post just brought that all back to me, from what you’ve said it doesn’t seem like your DH isn’t being at all proactive in damning himself and showing how he’d regain your trust. Underneath all the other details here, that would be a dealbreaker for me.

muggart · 22/04/2024 20:50

TitanTins · 22/04/2024 17:13

@Totalfuckingshitshow

I think from what you described on the CCTV, this sounds like the first time they’ve behaved that way. If it had happened before, I think they’d have seized the opportunity to be intimate and done more - and less gradually. That your DH texted afterwards equates to immediate guilt. If they’d done this before, I think he’d have been ‘desensitised’ to the situation - and not felt that guilt.

I agree with this.

I would ditch the friend but wouldn't rush to end a marriage. It's cheating, yes, but she initiated it and he was drunk and it was just a short kiss and he is contrite. On balanceI'd be upset but want to find a way through it.

Quitelikeit · 22/04/2024 20:50

Was this a drunken snog? How drunk were they? Very drunk?

How comes they didn’t take it further? Who instigated the kiss?

Someone above mentioned opportune cheating and the scenarios that it’s likely to occur - was it just one of those?

I know you are angry, upset and hurt but there’s no use looking for things that are not there or that don’t exist.

Being drunk can truly alter one’s decision making

katepilar · 22/04/2024 20:54

I think it takes more strength and willpower to stop if another person approaching you then not do it yourself so would put more blame on your friend more than on your husband. In your shoes I would cut off the friend and see whether I was able to save the relationship with your husband.

HesterPrincess · 22/04/2024 20:56

It would be a deal breaker for me. Once a cheat, always a cheat.

You'll never have peace of mind again if you let him stay. A ping of a message on his phone; he's running late from work. Your mind is always going to instantly think he's doing it again.

You're worth better. A man who can share intimate moments with another woman while his wife is asleep upstairs with their baby is a confident cheat. Too confident. I highly doubt that this was the 1st time, sorry.

EmmsyS · 22/04/2024 20:58

Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 16:52

Thank you. He’s not actually done anything. Only whatever I’ve asked like to move over to the other part of the house, and to apparently answer my questions. I questions all his answers though. He’s been uncomfortably honest about some things but I can’t help but expect everything dripfeeding damage limitation bullshit.

It’s not fun feeling like this. I’m exhausted, I’m anxious, I’m so unhappy.

Definitely the right decision to cut your friend lose.

Rebuilding trust with you husband is going to take time and won’t be easy. He is going to have to earn back your trust.

Do you have access to your husbands phone or email?

XmasDilemma1986 · 22/04/2024 21:01

I'm really sorry this has happened to you OP. I don't think personally I could move beyond this, although the impetus to keep a relationship going to save children's heartache is a very strong motivator I imagine.

I wouldn't leave my DP over a drunken snog with any old person, but this isn't any old person- it's a true betrayal. And truthfully the moment I read the bit about him staying up with her while you went to bed because you had to get up with the baby I thought it sounded really off.

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