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Am I being OTT? Husband and my best friend…

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Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 10:35

I don’t know why I’m doing this thread. Probably because I can’t stomach telling real life people yet. I don’t know if I’m overreacting or underreacting or what. Please can you help me see through it?

A couple of weeks ago, my closest friend came to stay with us. She’s a long-term friend, very close, visits frequently and was my bridesmaid etc.

I got a babysitter and my friend, me and my H went out for a couple of drinks and to meet some other friends in the pub.

After coming home, I went to bed as it was late and my turn to get up with the baby in the morning. My H and friend stayed up listening to music and drinking some more. They went into another separate part of the house so the music didn’t disturb me or the baby. This isn’t unusual and more often than not, I’d be there too or my H wouldn’t.

In the morning, I picked up on a vibe. I just had a feeling. Never had it before. My friend was overly bright. She came back over very early. My husband very quiet. After my friend went home, I asked him outright if something had happened and he said no.

It niggled me for a couple of days and I suddenly recalled there’s external CCTV that covers that portion of the house, after we were burgled. So I viewed it. And I saw, clearly, that my friend approached my husband and put her arms around his neck and he wrapped his arms around her. They stayed like this, then it became dancing, then it became standing with their faces very close together talking, then they kissed albeit relatively brief and not a passionate one, and then they danced some more and then they separated. My H then immediately text me something inane, and probably guilty in hindsight.

The whole thing lasted around six minutes. It looked very intimate and intense. It makes me throw up viewing it.

Afterwards, they both went to bed separately. I’m fairly certain nothing else happened between them.

I have confronted the pair of them. My H claims he was crying about something and she comforted him, and he enjoyed the comfort. He’s very, very shame faced, upset and apologetic. My friend is trying to emotionally manipulate me into getting over it. Both attempted to rewrite it and minimise it until I informed them I’d seen it on CCTV.

I had expected DARVO from the pair of them due to the creepy surveillance aspect, but neither did. I find that telling.

My H is living in a separate part of the house. Complicated lives mean he cannot leave fully currently. I have ended my friendship. I have asked my H for a separation.

The real kicker here is my H, while very fond of my friend, is twitchy when I go out with her alone because she habitually seeks male attention and he feared I might do similar. She’s very beautiful and very clever and men fall at her feet. The hypocrisy of him lapping it up when she sought his attention is keeping me up at night.

I feel utterly sick and so betrayed. I have lost so much weight, I cannot eat and I cannot sleep. I feel I have lost two of the most important people to me.

But am I overreacting to end my marriage over this? They didn’t sleep together, the kiss was relatively brief, we have very small children, very entwined lives and a very long history.

And before anyone comes at me, I’m not holding her more responsible than him. She initiated the initial contact but he went with it. They both kissed each other. He’s married to me. Not her. Nor am I routinely into surveillance. It just suddenly occurred to me we had a camera and it was sheer dumb luck, or misfortune in their case, that they were visible.

Sorry this is long. I’ve not spoken to anyone about it.

OP posts:
Calliopespa · 22/04/2024 19:06

Mamoun · 22/04/2024 10:46

I will get flamed for saying this on MN, but I would maybe sit and think.
No life changing decisions should be made in the heat of the moment, on a very bad day.
You have young children which makes it a very big deal.

I think I’d sit and think re him ( let him sweat would be another way of phrasing it). His roots run deeper through your life, but she’s gotta be cast off asap. I’m glad your friend has cut the friendship: losing her two friends and her crush/ dalliance at once is no less than she had coming.

In one of your posts you said you felt it was odd to keep one and ditch the other, but you don’t owe either of them anything now. Do what works for you: and there’s absolutely no meaningful friendship to be had with her going forward.

As for him … don’t feel pressured. This is your chance to explore your feelings and get to the bottom of where you think he is really at.

Calliopespa · 22/04/2024 19:07

lul1 · 22/04/2024 17:55

both lost their mums a year or two ago

You don't seem so close to your friend if you don't know whether her mum died 1 or 2 years ago?

What kind of weird pernickety observation is that?

Calliopespa · 22/04/2024 19:09

Simplelobsterhat · 22/04/2024 18:11

So sorry OP, this sounds like a horrible situation with no easy answers. The thing that jumped out at me was that YOUR friend came to stay but DH got to be the one who stayed up late... That seems really odd. If it was us, I'm pretty sure my DH would have offered to swap turns getting up with the little ones. Which makes me wonder whether a) he wanted to be alone with your friend, b) he's a petty twat about things like turns or c) this links to not wanting you alone with her (in which case why, what does he think she might tell you?). It just seems like a red flag that he chose to stay up with your friend alone, when he could easily have said, you enjoy yourself, I'll get up with the kids.

I agree this needs exploring with him OP

Mehandfedup · 22/04/2024 19:09

How bloody awful, sending you 💐I don’t think your over reacting. Not that there’s a good time for this sort of thing but how shitty when your post partum

Whats your gut feeling? A one time thing or some thing ongoing? I would absolutely trust your gut. You picked up on something in the morning, have you ever felt like that before? Like previous posters have said if it’s one mistake and out of the blue…potentially forgiveness would be possible but with all the work coming from his side

I would cut the “friend” off

Are they communicating with each other about this?

NotaCoolMum · 22/04/2024 19:10

Limth · 22/04/2024 10:45

🤔🤔🤔

Very sound advice from @Limth 🙄🙄

op I don’t think you’re overreacting at all. I’d absolutely have done the same. 💐

Idontknowwhattodo78 · 22/04/2024 19:10

What a pair of fucking simpletons they are 🤬🤬🤬 Getting rid of her was the right thing to do. As a woman I cannot ever, ever imagine stooping low or being so pissed that I would go anywhere NEAR my friends husbands or partners. It’s beyond fucking grim. Her punishment is she has to be her, knowing what she’s done and what a low life she is.

As for him, I’d have his balls off. Personally I think I would tell him to leave because I couldn’t stand the sight of him. I would get him out then take some time to see what you want.
And, if you decide that MAYBE you want to try to repair it, just watch what he does. Not his words, not his bullshit “I’m sooo sorry” emails, his actual actions. He’s fucked this up colossally so he needs to be booking the therapy appointments (for himself individually and for you as a couple), taking full and complete responsibility for being such a total shit head.

He needs to know that this shit takes YEARS, literally years to repair. He’s not going to cook you a nice dinner, buy you some flowers, say sorry and all will be forgiven. Unless he can commit to years of repair work, with absolutely no guarantee from you that it will be enough, bin him off now.

From what you wrote, it didn’t sound to me like they’d done this before (and Christ, why didn’t he think about the cctv??) but if they have, that traitorous bitch will certainly tell you.

Hang in there op, you will get through this xxx

Calliopespa · 22/04/2024 19:12

Mehandfedup · 22/04/2024 19:09

How bloody awful, sending you 💐I don’t think your over reacting. Not that there’s a good time for this sort of thing but how shitty when your post partum

Whats your gut feeling? A one time thing or some thing ongoing? I would absolutely trust your gut. You picked up on something in the morning, have you ever felt like that before? Like previous posters have said if it’s one mistake and out of the blue…potentially forgiveness would be possible but with all the work coming from his side

I would cut the “friend” off

Are they communicating with each other about this?

I’d say a firm commitment from him NOT to communicate with her is a starting point.

FWIW she sounds troublesome to me . I realise I’ve only heard your side… but just the tenor of her own relationship etc. She sounds a bit rootless in her relationships and values.

dollahsains · 22/04/2024 19:12

Late to the party OP bu lt not OTT atvall

Secondstart1001 · 22/04/2024 19:14

Am glad you ditched the “friend”. There’s a lot of good advice on here Op. All the things i read on MN, it’s like all men are the same but with different fucking faces! Take your time deciding what to do and look after yourself x

Branleuse · 22/04/2024 19:14

The intimate few minutes you saw, do sound couplet. I don't think this was a one off. I think they've got a thing going on.

taylorswift1989 · 22/04/2024 19:14

JenniferBooth · 22/04/2024 17:04

Deny Accuse Reverse Victim Offender

Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender

Calliopespa · 22/04/2024 19:15

Idontknowwhattodo78 · 22/04/2024 19:10

What a pair of fucking simpletons they are 🤬🤬🤬 Getting rid of her was the right thing to do. As a woman I cannot ever, ever imagine stooping low or being so pissed that I would go anywhere NEAR my friends husbands or partners. It’s beyond fucking grim. Her punishment is she has to be her, knowing what she’s done and what a low life she is.

As for him, I’d have his balls off. Personally I think I would tell him to leave because I couldn’t stand the sight of him. I would get him out then take some time to see what you want.
And, if you decide that MAYBE you want to try to repair it, just watch what he does. Not his words, not his bullshit “I’m sooo sorry” emails, his actual actions. He’s fucked this up colossally so he needs to be booking the therapy appointments (for himself individually and for you as a couple), taking full and complete responsibility for being such a total shit head.

He needs to know that this shit takes YEARS, literally years to repair. He’s not going to cook you a nice dinner, buy you some flowers, say sorry and all will be forgiven. Unless he can commit to years of repair work, with absolutely no guarantee from you that it will be enough, bin him off now.

From what you wrote, it didn’t sound to me like they’d done this before (and Christ, why didn’t he think about the cctv??) but if they have, that traitorous bitch will certainly tell you.

Hang in there op, you will get through this xxx

I wouldn’t tell him it’s over until you are sure OP. The risk is you’ll drive them together which removes your choice in it all. Keep him feeling he’s got something left to lose - which in turn may elicit the ballistic download from her if she feels cast aside by all, and I guess that unvarnished truth of what went on is what you’re fundamentally needing.

EconomyClassRockstar · 22/04/2024 19:17

I can't get my head around that your friend came over and DH didn't offer to do the morning so you could hang out with her, never mind everything else!

Pippin24 · 22/04/2024 19:18

OP the thing that flags to me is the comment re him being nervous when you were out socialising with her - was he perhaps worried that she may meet someone she would be serious about? Was the anxiety actually jealousy? I’m so sorry this happened to you it is the very worst betrayal.

im sorry but for them to take such a chance as they did in your home with you asleep upstairs makes me think that this isn’t the first time. It’s like they are getting a thrill out of it.

I agree - all efforts should be coming from him. As for her - keep far away from her - she’s no friend to anyone but herself. You are stronger than you know

WearyAuldWumman · 22/04/2024 19:20

Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 10:52

This was my instantaneous feeling. I don’t know if it’s knee-jerk or impractical. And it somehow doesn’t feel right to ditch one and not the other. Ugh.

Your life is entwined with your husband's. It is not entwined with your friend's. You can ditch her.

PersephonePomegranate23 · 22/04/2024 19:25

At the end of the say, it's about your boundaries, OP and whether you could forgive and move on.

I'm fairly certainthat I couldn't. Maybe I would if it were a kiss with some random person on a drunken night out, but to go there with a friend is an absolute betrayal and that goes for your friend too.

I wouldn't trust the pair of them as far as I could throw them

Planesmistakenforstars · 22/04/2024 19:28

I'm so sorry OP, it's such a betrayal. The fact that he seems disdainful and therefore probably jealous of the male attention she gets probably means he always fancied her. And the fact she was vying for his attention probably means they were building up to it happening under your nose, when you trusted both of them. I would think very hard about whether that was conscious on his part or not, and whether will always eat away at you, because if it will you will never be at peace with him. Especially given that he 1. Lied to you when given the chance to come clean and 2. Seems to expect you to draw a line and be be over it, rather than it being a process that he has to work at, with the understanding that you might not get there.

Mercural · 22/04/2024 19:29

People do make mistakes, and couples can (sort of) recover) but it often leaves some lingering trust issues. The real question I personally would be asking myself is "What would have happened had I not felt something was amiss"? Would they have gone on to have a full blown affair? Or, would your husband have realised his mistake and made sure he never did anything like that again?
You can't answer that question, and neither can they in truth - as they would be responding from a position of being found out.
I think it all boils down to you deciding if you can live with that uncertainty. It's sad that their immature, disrespectful actions leave you having to deal with the pain.

As for your children, I personally believe that kids are resilient, and mature better in a loving and stable home. If your husbands actions have damaged that, then your children are possibly better served with you both separated and independent.

Snowwhite83 · 22/04/2024 19:29

Hi OP he lied to your face when you asked him directly. I'm not sure you can trust him moving forwards but only you knows what this means to you. Dont think anyone has the right to say LTB. Easy to say buy not so simple in practice. just do whatever feels right for you. If it was me I think I'd ask him to move out for a while so I had time to think. I'm so sorry you've had to go through this. It sucks.

StinkyWizzleteets · 22/04/2024 19:30

These things don’t happen out of the blue. There may not have been active cheating but they’ll have shared knowing looks, read the chemistry in the room. Both were aware of their mutual attraction. If it hadn’t happened this night it would certainly have happened another, if it hadn’t already happened before.

I made the mistake of forgiving (not sure I went that far if I’m honest, maybe ignoring ) and I’m kind of stuck now as a drastic life altering thing happened that means I’m stuck. I should have left when it kicked off first time (!) cos I’d have been set up myself by now and in a far better position to cope with the following life altering event. But I’m not and I regret it daily and it’s fairly fucking miserable op pretending everything is fine while He gets to swan around thinking he got to have his cake and eat it.

run a mile. Rinse the bastard too!

Strictlymad · 22/04/2024 19:33

Don’t feel you have to treat them both equally if you don’t want to. That’s not to say the blame is one sided but it’s two different senarios. You cut her out, you loose someone to go on night out with that’s it. There is so much more to it with your husband- that’s not to say you have to forgive him, but if you want to don’t feel bad that you’ve cut her off and not him. Take it slow- see how serious he is about the change.

WearyAuldWumman · 22/04/2024 19:34

Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 13:09

Yes.

This puts a different slant on things.

My late husband's first wife did this with a colleague - after the regular bridge parties they held.

My husband left her when she confessed that she'd spent the night with her colleague on a work trip - though she said they hadn't had sex.

She waited until DH had been separated from her for two years and then gave him the chance to come back home. I'll not go into all the details, but she had manipulated things to such an extent that he'd never have been able to afford to set up on his own again if he'd moved back into the former family home.

She did a very good job of persuading others that she'd been deserted. After Dh refused to go back, she continued her relationship with the colleague. (It had never ended. She conned others into thinking that their friendship had merely deepened.)

OP, if you decide to give your husband a second chance please make sure that you have your finances ready in case you do decide to separate and divorce.

Also, as another poster said, make sure you have a copy of the CCTV. You might need it - not only for legal matters, but for your own sanity.

Kettlebellend · 22/04/2024 19:39

Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 16:33

This thread has made me realise he needs to be doing this instead of sitting back with puppy dog eyes waiting for me to tell him what I need.

I think time will be very telling here, he’s doing and saying everything you want right now, ime after a month in the ‘doghouse’ they tend to get a bit fed up and start acting like you’re overreacting and need to get over it.
(not all men obviously but from my own experience and from a few threads on here I’ve read)

Scottishskifun · 22/04/2024 19:39

Oh this is so tough your doing really well OP!
Give yourself time and space (which you are doing). I probably wouldn't end my marriage based on it they could have gone further even in your own house. But that would/could change if husband didn't do the donkey work, make the effort to set up counselling and be open and honest in that counselling. It would also take a long time for that process.

As for the lying I can only presume he's a bit like a rabbit in the headlights at the moment and doesn't know what the right answer is.

I would also want answers and quickly, was this the first time or had there been anything in the past etc.

Trulyme · 22/04/2024 19:40

How close is their friendship?

A huge red flag is him staying up with your friend, whilst you went to bed.

I would never stay up with my DPs friend, not even because it’s my inappropriate but because it’s just odd.
I can imagine other couples doing this either.

The fact that your DP was ok with you going to bed early because it was ‘your turn to wake up with the baby’ says it all.
Most partners would tell you that they’ll get up with the baby so you can stay up with your friend.

The fact that your DP didn’t suggests this was wanted and probably a regular thing.

There is obviously some connection between them and it wouldn’t surprise me if this wasn’t the first time.

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