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Am I being OTT? Husband and my best friend…

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Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 10:35

I don’t know why I’m doing this thread. Probably because I can’t stomach telling real life people yet. I don’t know if I’m overreacting or underreacting or what. Please can you help me see through it?

A couple of weeks ago, my closest friend came to stay with us. She’s a long-term friend, very close, visits frequently and was my bridesmaid etc.

I got a babysitter and my friend, me and my H went out for a couple of drinks and to meet some other friends in the pub.

After coming home, I went to bed as it was late and my turn to get up with the baby in the morning. My H and friend stayed up listening to music and drinking some more. They went into another separate part of the house so the music didn’t disturb me or the baby. This isn’t unusual and more often than not, I’d be there too or my H wouldn’t.

In the morning, I picked up on a vibe. I just had a feeling. Never had it before. My friend was overly bright. She came back over very early. My husband very quiet. After my friend went home, I asked him outright if something had happened and he said no.

It niggled me for a couple of days and I suddenly recalled there’s external CCTV that covers that portion of the house, after we were burgled. So I viewed it. And I saw, clearly, that my friend approached my husband and put her arms around his neck and he wrapped his arms around her. They stayed like this, then it became dancing, then it became standing with their faces very close together talking, then they kissed albeit relatively brief and not a passionate one, and then they danced some more and then they separated. My H then immediately text me something inane, and probably guilty in hindsight.

The whole thing lasted around six minutes. It looked very intimate and intense. It makes me throw up viewing it.

Afterwards, they both went to bed separately. I’m fairly certain nothing else happened between them.

I have confronted the pair of them. My H claims he was crying about something and she comforted him, and he enjoyed the comfort. He’s very, very shame faced, upset and apologetic. My friend is trying to emotionally manipulate me into getting over it. Both attempted to rewrite it and minimise it until I informed them I’d seen it on CCTV.

I had expected DARVO from the pair of them due to the creepy surveillance aspect, but neither did. I find that telling.

My H is living in a separate part of the house. Complicated lives mean he cannot leave fully currently. I have ended my friendship. I have asked my H for a separation.

The real kicker here is my H, while very fond of my friend, is twitchy when I go out with her alone because she habitually seeks male attention and he feared I might do similar. She’s very beautiful and very clever and men fall at her feet. The hypocrisy of him lapping it up when she sought his attention is keeping me up at night.

I feel utterly sick and so betrayed. I have lost so much weight, I cannot eat and I cannot sleep. I feel I have lost two of the most important people to me.

But am I overreacting to end my marriage over this? They didn’t sleep together, the kiss was relatively brief, we have very small children, very entwined lives and a very long history.

And before anyone comes at me, I’m not holding her more responsible than him. She initiated the initial contact but he went with it. They both kissed each other. He’s married to me. Not her. Nor am I routinely into surveillance. It just suddenly occurred to me we had a camera and it was sheer dumb luck, or misfortune in their case, that they were visible.

Sorry this is long. I’ve not spoken to anyone about it.

OP posts:
lul1 · 22/04/2024 17:55

both lost their mums a year or two ago

You don't seem so close to your friend if you don't know whether her mum died 1 or 2 years ago?

FuckoffeeBeforeCoffee · 22/04/2024 17:56

lul1 · 22/04/2024 17:55

both lost their mums a year or two ago

You don't seem so close to your friend if you don't know whether her mum died 1 or 2 years ago?

Maybe one lost her a year ago and one two years ago?

Zanatdy · 22/04/2024 17:57

I wouldn’t believe it was a one off given how easily they connected on the video, so it would be over

Ticktapticktap · 22/04/2024 18:01

Not sure I would end a marriage over this - the main factor for me would be how drunk they were. If they were blind drunk I could forgive it, although I'd probably want a lot of time a part.

travelforthesoul · 22/04/2024 18:03

If it were me I would be going through the CCTV to other times and see if there was anything there.

Im not 100% sure I would end the marriage over this, but I would want total honesty and may approach the friend with 'ive had the conversation with him, now what do you have to say about it' and let her say her bit.

I doubt you have had honesty even now.

gannett · 22/04/2024 18:06

AStepAtaTime · 22/04/2024 17:50

Sorry just to add - all men - even the nice ones who love you to the moon and back - are primed by nature to be opportunistic. Therefore, with this in mind, no way would I ever leave my DH, as loyal as he is, alone in a room with a beautiful woman and drink and music late at night. I don’t care what people think, it’s part of their genetic makeup to basically copulate with as many women as they can so primal engineering would make it very very difficult for a man under those circumstances to enact enough willpower to walk away from an embrace - initiated I might reiterate, by her, not him. Don’t create or allow conditions for the primal programming to surface.

God I hate all this "men and women are but slaves to biology" evolutionary psych nonsense.

No, you need to expect better. Women can and should expect men to be faithful and to have self-control.

Horses7 · 22/04/2024 18:06

I think the friend had to go, well done.
Husband is more difficult as you have your life and children with him. Only you know if he’s worth a second chance.
I think him quitting drinking completely would be a good barometer of his commitment and resolve. I would expect it’s the least he could do. In addition counselling would be good. You will have to work hard not to resent him and get your relationship back on track.
Good luck with everything. You sound strong and decent , you certainly didn’t deserve this from either of them.

Simplelobsterhat · 22/04/2024 18:11

So sorry OP, this sounds like a horrible situation with no easy answers. The thing that jumped out at me was that YOUR friend came to stay but DH got to be the one who stayed up late... That seems really odd. If it was us, I'm pretty sure my DH would have offered to swap turns getting up with the little ones. Which makes me wonder whether a) he wanted to be alone with your friend, b) he's a petty twat about things like turns or c) this links to not wanting you alone with her (in which case why, what does he think she might tell you?). It just seems like a red flag that he chose to stay up with your friend alone, when he could easily have said, you enjoy yourself, I'll get up with the kids.

BirthdayRainbow · 22/04/2024 18:19

Thank God @gannett

Simplelobsterhat · 22/04/2024 18:23

Also, if you've already forgiven him cheating once he should frankly be thanking his lucky stars every day and doing everything he can not to let you down again, and I would have thought that would include not being alone drunk with someone he thinks is such a flirt he doesn't even trust you to go on nights out with her. I'm all for friends of the opposite sex, but she's your friend, not his. He should be more aware of appropriate behaviour having already let you down so badly before.

Flamingos89 · 22/04/2024 18:24

So horrible to read. What a huge break of trust from both parties

Agree with what others have said that it is more complicated ‘ditching the husband’ readily. Friend never talk to her again, easy! Hope she gets what is coming to her.

With your husband I would make no promises and go through therapy. Get you both talking again. If it’s something you can not work past you are totally in your rights to say forgiveness is impossible and then walk away. But it is worth trying and seeing if you can move past it. You cant live your life in a miserable marriage. That is not fair on you or the kids.

I personally don’t think I could forgive it either and it would be the end of my marriage also. It’s not the level of cheating involved, it’s who it was with! Your best friend. He would know how much that would hurt you and he went there anyway.

Try therapy though - if you can work through this together then great. But don’t put pressure on yourself because not many people are able to forgive these things.

justasking111 · 22/04/2024 18:26

My friend came onto my husband one day while I was at work. He messaged me, don't be late home. When I got home he told me what had happened and that he didn't want to be alone with her again. He was furious. He had never liked our friendship thinking her a bit sluttish.

She had form for this so I believed him. I'm sorry your husband didn't tell you immediately

@Totalfuckingshitshow . However, one of his friends hit on me hard he was smitten. I never told my husband that.

So I guess if the shoe was on the other foot would you have told your husband.

SlightlyJaded · 22/04/2024 18:29

OP you're doing fine.

You've cut ties with your friend, and you are already recognising her messages for what they are 'manipulative bollocks'

I think it's completely reasonable in these circumstances to say to your DH something like:

"I don't know what to do. I didn't see this coming and hadn't made a plan for it. We have built a life and have small children so you'll just have to let me sit with it for a while until I decide if I can get past it or not, because right now, I simply don't know.

In the meantime, you stay in the other part of the house, you continue to parent the best you can and anything else you want to do above and beyond that - stopping drinking or whatever - is up to you. It may influence my final decision, it may not. Don't do it for me, do it because you are disgusted at yourself. You may want to tell me that there is more to things than what I saw, you may wish to deny that - again, it's up to you."

And then take your time.

Don't listen to words. See what actions he takes and even if you DO decide to try and get past it, remember that you are still allowed to change your mind if you find it isn't working for you.

You sound smart, decent and lovely. The sort of women I really admire, and i really hope things work out for you, but there is no rush. Take that 'decision' pressure off yourself.

Cheepcheepcheep · 22/04/2024 18:31

I can’t offer any more support I’m afraid and I don’t think I’ve seen this (apologies if I’m repeating anyone) but I’d download the footage, save it to a memory card, give it to the third party friend and then you have it somewhere safe if you need it but can’t rewatch. I’m so sorry this has happened to you x

MsDoorway · 22/04/2024 18:35

SheSellsSea · 22/04/2024 11:40

I’m going to be very honest here in case it helps. Is your friend single?

I am single (divorced) and quite a few of my friends’ husband sometimes suggest a kind of accelerated emotional intimacy with me. I don’t take them up on it, but for instance one of my closest mum friend’s husbands suddenly leant in and kissed me after we’d all been walking back from something with our kids. Kind of like a cheek kiss but more. He’s not a cheater, but there’s something about being single, men are just interested. I can feel it available there but I don’t do it. But I can sense the power I have.

I think you need to ditch your friend and keep your H. Yes, it’s cheating, but it’s easy to do if a woman is inclined to offer and tap in to the vulnerability of the men around. Your H sounds like he needs to talk to you a lot more.

I mean, I'm married and this still happens with friend's husbands... I don't think it's a single thing

MsDoorway · 22/04/2024 18:35

OP this is a tricky one. I'd probably leave him just because how do you trust again after this?

Littlemissnikib · 22/04/2024 18:42

The fact that he knew what she was like and was hesitant about you going out with her would suggest to me that this has happened before.

It’s a tricky situation and my heart goes out to you. What I would suggest (based on a friend continuing with a 30 year long marriage after an affair) is to not listen to anyone else. Do what you think is the right thing - there is no right and wrong. My ex cheated on me and I finished it but that was due to a number of reasons.

i think therapy is a really good next step.

Southern68 · 22/04/2024 18:45

I'm so sorry this has happened to you, and I totally understand how betrayed you must feel by both of them.

However, I wouldn't listen to the leave him dump him comments. It's all very well on a chat page, but it's completely different in real life and with small children.

Personally I would :-
Cut the former friend out of your life.
Have a brutally honest convo with your husband, tell him exactly what his behaviour has done to you.
Then tell him what he must do to not lose you, and make it non negotiable.
Lastly hold your head up high and believe in yourself.

kkloo · 22/04/2024 18:47

Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 10:57

Whatever I want. Therapy, stopping drinking, total honesty, starting over…

I don’t want to put limitations on someone’s life though. That feels wrong. I want the two closest people to me to have controlled themselves.

In our early days there was some cheating on his part, when we were very young and hadn’t been together very long, but I never thought it would happen again after marriage and babies and not with my friend. I only found out about the early stuff years later.

Is it cheating? Do you guys see it as cheating? It feels like cheating.

Agreed.
And often with people who say they'll stop drinking then they will either start asking for permission to drink which puts you in a horrible position or they will just decide they are anyway when something comes up that they want to drink at and if you try to get them to stick to what they said they will accuse you of being controlling and turn it back on you.

If he needs therapy he should be deciding to go for himself, not waiting for you to tell him to go.

Total honestly should be a given if that's what you want from him.

I would 100% see this as cheating.

Ohnobackagain · 22/04/2024 18:51

@Totalfuckingshitshow not at all minimising, but, where you asked why they hadn’t told you about the crying moment, if they had drunk a lot they may actually have forgotten. I honestly remember things weeks later (and no, I don’t get drunk that often and I’m not talking a huge amount). That is in no way intended to excuse what’s happened, but it is possible they went to bed and forgot all about it. I do think sometimes men (and women) can feel ‘safe’ with a partner’s good friend and can become close without anything further. But I’ve also had a good friend lie to me about having sh*gged my partner so I understand the feelings you are experiencing. Albeit a year later my by then ex- came back begging me for another chance (I said no). All I can say is to make decisions when you are calm and rational, not in the heat of the moment. Look after yourself.

Rafalito · 22/04/2024 18:55

I don’t have any wise advice beyond the lots of really great advice you’ve already been given here but I’m just dropping in to send a virtual hug; if he cheated on you to start with and you somehow got over it and built a life together he should be hyper sensitive to ensuring you never feel insecure again. It’s so sad he’s done this and with someone you considered a friend; I absolutely get why you feel sad about losing her friendship - even if she doesn’t deserve you (which she doesn’t).

I really hope you manage some sleep and he pulls his finger out and starts behaving with real remorse that you see and feel. X

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 22/04/2024 18:57

He’s cheated once as well as this. Didn’t take much for him to do it again did it?

Personally for me it’d be over and he’d be out but then I don’t have a DC or a DH so saying this in now would probably be harder to put into practice.

Hurryuphumphreygeorgeiswaiting · 22/04/2024 19:02

Sorry this has happened to you and keep strong. I haven't any advice but wanted to send you a hug.
Is your friend jealous of you at all as you said she isn't in a great relationship with her partner. They have behaved terribly.

PinkyFlamingo · 22/04/2024 19:03

A lot of apologists on this thread, ditch friend keep husband. Yea all that big bad woman oozing her chars on a helpless poor wee man. What a crock of shit. It takes two, both are as bad as each other and it's cheating full stop

ExcitedButNervous0424 · 22/04/2024 19:03

Hi OP,

I don’t think I could ever forgive this. I can’t imagine how much it hurt to watch that video.

On the plus side, it’s great you have it because every single time he tries to downplay it, or you feel your resolve is weakening, watch it again to give you the strength to keep going and to remind yourself that you deserve so, so much better.

They may not have had sex but the intimacy of this is just sickening. I wouldn’t ever be able to get over that.