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Husband depressed after birth of our second child ten weeks ago, says I make him want to kill himself

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AmberMoose · 18/04/2024 20:38

My husband is depressed, regrets our baby and told me that I make him want to kill himself. I don't know what to do.

First time posting. Not sure what I'm looking for exactly, perhaps some outsider perspective. My husband (41) and I (38) had our second baby 10 weeks ago. We also have a six year old daughter. Conceiving our second was fraught; I really wanted another baby, he was hot and cold. Two miscarriages, two years of trying etc...

Second baby is significantly harder than our first - lots of crying, up 1000 times at night etc - and my husband is not coping. He has checked out and I feel like I am solo parenting our baby. He says he is depressed (post partum depression perhaps?) and is having a major existential crisis. He is so unhappy with our -admittedly, charmed - life and feels like I've been calling the shots over our ten year relationship.

He's recently gotten really into DJing and one of his main complaints is that he is now a servant to our family and has no time for himself. I've been doing all I can to ensure he has free time - I took both kids out of the house when the baby was just a couple of weeks old to give him space when I was still sore and recovering and just wanted to be on the couch. He has taken several trips away to do various things related to his music, I have looked after the kids without complaint, I ask about how he's feeling, listen to him complain (about me and our life), take on additional life admin tasks to take them off his plate... All things he has expressed in the past make him feel loved and cared for.

Two nights ago when I got home after four days away (with both kids to give him space and free time) he says that the key to him feeling better is that he needs to better compartmentalise all his responsibilities and ensure he has enough time for all of them - i.e., more time. For him to have more free time, I need to exchange mine and I feel I have nomore.to give. I am feeling so much resentment towards him. I have been out of the house only twice by myself; I barely have had enough alone time to blow dry my hair over the past two and a half months. I have never asked for help ( I did once and it sent him on a spiral); not even in the middle of the night when I am so exhausted I feel I am about to crack. Never once have i handed him the baby and bottle and begged for an extra hour of sleep. The few times I have told him how hard it is he has essentially told me that ive gotten what I wanted (a baby) and to suck it up. He takes the baby every now and then for like ten minutes, baby cries, husband is like "urgh, no thank you! This baby is hard work!", never once stopping to reflect on what it's like for me during the other 23h and 50 minutes of the day.

He has said once before that he is becoming suicidal. Last night he raised it again and said .. this is a quote " you are making me want to kill myself". I want to say it's the depression talking and I am trying to be compassionate but I am also furious and trying hard not to be. The worst part is that he's not the first person to say that to me, my mum said something similar when I was like 10 (she had significant trauma that was never dealt with I now know and is generally not ok). This morning he hugged me and said he felt like there was a weight of, I hugged him back and we cried but I am left feeling like total shit - a truly horrible person that makes people want to kill themselves.

I am bouncing from rage to guilt to deep shame and I don't know what to do.

OP posts:
WouldYouLikeMeToSpellThatForYou · 18/04/2024 21:50

LizardOfOz · 18/04/2024 20:46

Once you ask him to leave (and he goes) you'll feel so much better because

  1. you won't have to tiptoe around his "feelings"
  2. you won't feel as resentful because there won't be another adult around who's supposed to be helping
  3. you can relax with the kids and not have to worry about keeping them quiet so as not to disturb him
  4. you'll actually have less to do because I seriously doubt he's pulling his weight/doing anything at all around the house

^ this

This post is so upsetting. YOU are post partum, YOU have the recovering body and YOU are still the one making adjustments.

I would ask him to leave , he can enjoy his simple life as a DJ and see how well he gets on without his partner picking up all his slack.

This is awful for you and your kids, you all deserve better

MummySam2017 · 18/04/2024 21:50

AmberMoose · 18/04/2024 20:56

He has definitely had low mood before and he has suffered from anxiety. He was diagnosed with adjustment disorder after our first was born. So yeah, there's history of mental health challenges there but I'd say he generally has big, existential reactions to regular life events.

Is he seeking support? I’m so sorry you’re going through this OP. I went through similar, we came out the other end, but my heart really goes out to you.

Bottom line, he needs to address his issues so you can focus on yourself and your kids. You will lose yourself completely trying to help him through his suicidal ideation. Depending on where you are, I’ve attached some links.

Are you receiving any support, OP? Please take care my luv!

Calm
Andy’s man club
Mind - crisis team

Homepage

We’re the Campaign Against Living Miserably (CALM) and we’re uniting the UK against suicide.

https://www.thecalmzone.net/?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIzufg19DMhQMVjZlQBh156AFVEAAYASAAEgIxlvD_BwE

dimllaishebiaith · 18/04/2024 21:52

AmberMoose · 18/04/2024 21:47

Honestly? I think he would see it as further evidence of me being unable to put him first and my needs aside.

What about your fucking needs!

Honestly OP I am so annoyed on your behalf. He seems completely incapable of putting his own needs aside to put first his children who are wholly dependent on their parents, never mind consider your needs, yet you are somehow being painted as the one in the wrong? How very DARVO of him!

WouldYouLikeMeToSpellThatForYou · 18/04/2024 21:52

Also, you do seem to have fallen into an unfortunate situation of reliving your childhood trauma in your adult relationship.
There's a saying (a little cheesy but holds true for many) that You choose the love you think you deserve.

Truly though, you deserve more.

silverbirches · 18/04/2024 21:52

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 18/04/2024 20:43

Does he suffer with depression?

No he doesn't. He suffers from complete and utter bastard syndrome.

HappyEater · 18/04/2024 21:53

get rid, OP

Step5678 · 18/04/2024 21:53

I'm sorry OP, this sounds like classic midlife crisis (checking out of family life to DJ, really??) but he doesn't have the self awareness to recognise it so is lumping the blame on you. This is really unfair and you do not deserve this.

Does he know your mum said the same thing to you? If so, there's no way I could forgive him for using the trauma against you. If he didn't know, it's still massively shitty and undeserved but could potentially be moved on from.

Big hug OP, life is hard enough with a newborn and another young child, he should be supporting you or at the very least not piling extra stress onto you. This has the potential to cause huge resentment, it's up to you whether you think you can work through that or not

CattyCow · 18/04/2024 21:53

He's recently gotten really into DJing

I had one of these. It became an enormous ego hobby, it's can't not be.

I left.

AmberMoose · 18/04/2024 21:53

Jamiedodgers · 18/04/2024 20:58

He is depressed with suicidal thoughts. He needs medical intervention, he needs professional help.

I was in a similar situation two years ago, husband had a breakdown just after the baby was born, when I needed help the most…. He sought help and was on antidepressants and therapy for a while which really helped. Our relationship however took a lot longer to recover and I’m not sure if it will ever be the same again. I’m still resentful that he made it all about himself when I really needed the help. But I decided to stay and I’m pleased I did, my husband sought help and I could see improvements so I think that was the key for us, is that he acknowledged the problem and wanted to find a solution for it.

They say depression is a very selfish disease and it’s very true, depressed people can be dicks. It’s not you, it’s definitely him

He needs to seek professional help rather than rely on you as an emotional crutch and take everything out on you. You have you and the two kids to consider, don’t let him drag you down.

How are you dealing with the resentment and do you think you'll ever get past it? I feel like I will carry this around like a stone for the rest of our marriage

OP posts:
StrawberryWater · 18/04/2024 21:55

He might be depressed but he also sounds like a buffoon and he's giving me Harry Enfield as Kevin vibes "I want to be a top DJ". Tell him to go have his midlife crisis somewhere else.

AmberMoose · 18/04/2024 21:56

SleepQuest33 · 18/04/2024 21:03

He’s really struggling! He’s in a dark place and needs professional help and perhaps medication.

how was your marriage before the baby? Was he a good husband and father or selfish? If it was a happy home it’s worth fighting for. The early years are very difficult (sounds like your first child was more placid?)

Definitely a much easier first child! And our marriage was great - sure not all the time but the time before the birth was one of the most loveliest times in our ten year relationship. I think the drastic change is making it even harder to deal with.

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AGodawfulsmallaffair · 18/04/2024 21:57

LizardOfOz · 18/04/2024 20:46

Once you ask him to leave (and he goes) you'll feel so much better because

  1. you won't have to tiptoe around his "feelings"
  2. you won't feel as resentful because there won't be another adult around who's supposed to be helping
  3. you can relax with the kids and not have to worry about keeping them quiet so as not to disturb him
  4. you'll actually have less to do because I seriously doubt he's pulling his weight/doing anything at all around the house

Yup. He is vile to you, and vile to a baby. Get very angry @AmberMoose and get some life back.

SeismicSalad · 18/04/2024 21:58

Onand · 18/04/2024 21:11

Wow there’s a lot of ice queens on here dismissive of male depression. No wonder male suicide rates are so high.

Exactly. What an awful thread

AGodawfulsmallaffair · 18/04/2024 21:58

silverbirches · 18/04/2024 21:52

No he doesn't. He suffers from complete and utter bastard syndrome.

Exactly. He manages to get out for his midlife crisis dj’ing fgs. That’s not depression.

Renamed · 18/04/2024 21:59

AmberMoose · 18/04/2024 21:47

Honestly? I think he would see it as further evidence of me being unable to put him first and my needs aside.

Isn’t it true though. You CAN’T put him first, you have too much else to do with parenting and recovery from childbirth. Whether he can accept that with compassion and get help, or whether he reacts selfishly and realises he needs outside help, he needs help from a source that is not you. And you need space to think about what you need yourself and how to get it?

HulaChick · 18/04/2024 22:01

What an absolute arsehole. He seriously needs to get his priorities in order.

Doyoumind · 18/04/2024 22:02

SeismicSalad · 18/04/2024 21:58

Exactly. What an awful thread

I've suffered with depression. I've seen other people suffer with depression. I also lived with an evil man who gaslighted me and claimed depression to manipulate and control me so he could live the life he wanted. I know what this scenario sounds most like.

Doteycat · 18/04/2024 22:02

38 years and dh has never had a manchild tantrum and demanded i put him first.
Wtf is wrong with these fuckers

Get rid.

Jamiedodgers · 18/04/2024 22:02

@AmberMoose The resentment is the hardest bit. I’m still trying to move past it, but get triggered every time one of us gets sick again. Overall I think we are doing ok and actually like each other again

2Old2Tango · 18/04/2024 22:02

We tried for years for our first and had ivf and a miscarriage before succeeding naturally. As we thought it was a fluke we didn't really use contraception after. I became pregnant again 2 years later and my husband couldn't handle it. Said he'd never be able to love a second child as much as the first and asked me to abort. I refused and he never treated the second child as well as the first (second was also a more difficult baby). Second always got the blame for anything, and grew up knowing they weren't loved as much as their sibling. I hate myself for not leaving him when they were small, but always so much easier said than done.

Please insist your husband goes to the GP for treatment if he really is depressed OP. Don't allow him to be like my husband and treat your new baby differently to the first.

AmberMoose · 18/04/2024 22:05

MummySam2017 · 18/04/2024 21:50

Is he seeking support? I’m so sorry you’re going through this OP. I went through similar, we came out the other end, but my heart really goes out to you.

Bottom line, he needs to address his issues so you can focus on yourself and your kids. You will lose yourself completely trying to help him through his suicidal ideation. Depending on where you are, I’ve attached some links.

Are you receiving any support, OP? Please take care my luv!

Calm
Andy’s man club
Mind - crisis team

Bless, this is so kind, thank you! We live overseas and while we have friends here, my family and closest friends are back home. thankfully I've got great supportive girlfriends who are just a phone call away.

OP posts:
SeismicSalad · 18/04/2024 22:06

Doyoumind · 18/04/2024 22:02

I've suffered with depression. I've seen other people suffer with depression. I also lived with an evil man who gaslighted me and claimed depression to manipulate and control me so he could live the life he wanted. I know what this scenario sounds most like.

If you’ve suffered from depression and seen other people suffer from depression, I’d hope that you recognise that every depression is different. Maybe you’re right and this man is just being a dick. It’s possible. But also totally possible that he’s actually suicidal.

underscorer · 18/04/2024 22:07

"People who are suicidal do not go on trips away to DJ"

Have you heard of Avicii? Famous DJ who went on lots of trips away and killed himself?

It's a myth that people who are depressed or suicidal sit around moping. Please don't spread that dangerous misconception.

OP - you knew that he became mentally unwell last time you had a baby, and you still pushed and pushed him to have another one. You've got another child but you've broken up your family.

TheMuskratOfDestiny · 18/04/2024 22:07

AmberMoose · 18/04/2024 20:58

He's gone to our holiday home with our eldest for the spring break, I'm at home with the baby. It was his idea to have some space but I think it's good for me too

You let your suicidal husband take your eldest child. Alone?

ganglion · 18/04/2024 22:07

I dealt with something very similar after the birth of our first child. He turned into a different person. He was never home, always working or pretending to work, going on solo trips to find himself and lecturing me on my parenting choices all while telling me most days he wanted to end his own life and it was my fault. It lasted for around 18 months until I'd finally had enough and asked him to move out. He left me broken, angry and devastated.

We had three months apart, at the end of which we got back together slowly. He sought help without me having to ask him to.

You asked if you'll ever be able to get past this. Yes and no. I have the old him back and I adore him but whenever I look at pictures of my eldest from her first couple of years, I know what was going on in the background and I still feel flashes of anger (this was ten years ago now).

I am glad we got back together but I feel like that happy time was taken away. When my second was born she had an undiagnosed heart and lung condition and was in hospital for months. It was horrendous and stressful and he went above and beyond what I ever hoped or expected. He took care of everything with our eldest, at home, at hospital and ran a business and even now we've been home for 6 months, he is the most strong and reliable person I could ask for. Don't give up hope.