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Husband depressed after birth of our second child ten weeks ago, says I make him want to kill himself

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AmberMoose · 18/04/2024 20:38

My husband is depressed, regrets our baby and told me that I make him want to kill himself. I don't know what to do.

First time posting. Not sure what I'm looking for exactly, perhaps some outsider perspective. My husband (41) and I (38) had our second baby 10 weeks ago. We also have a six year old daughter. Conceiving our second was fraught; I really wanted another baby, he was hot and cold. Two miscarriages, two years of trying etc...

Second baby is significantly harder than our first - lots of crying, up 1000 times at night etc - and my husband is not coping. He has checked out and I feel like I am solo parenting our baby. He says he is depressed (post partum depression perhaps?) and is having a major existential crisis. He is so unhappy with our -admittedly, charmed - life and feels like I've been calling the shots over our ten year relationship.

He's recently gotten really into DJing and one of his main complaints is that he is now a servant to our family and has no time for himself. I've been doing all I can to ensure he has free time - I took both kids out of the house when the baby was just a couple of weeks old to give him space when I was still sore and recovering and just wanted to be on the couch. He has taken several trips away to do various things related to his music, I have looked after the kids without complaint, I ask about how he's feeling, listen to him complain (about me and our life), take on additional life admin tasks to take them off his plate... All things he has expressed in the past make him feel loved and cared for.

Two nights ago when I got home after four days away (with both kids to give him space and free time) he says that the key to him feeling better is that he needs to better compartmentalise all his responsibilities and ensure he has enough time for all of them - i.e., more time. For him to have more free time, I need to exchange mine and I feel I have nomore.to give. I am feeling so much resentment towards him. I have been out of the house only twice by myself; I barely have had enough alone time to blow dry my hair over the past two and a half months. I have never asked for help ( I did once and it sent him on a spiral); not even in the middle of the night when I am so exhausted I feel I am about to crack. Never once have i handed him the baby and bottle and begged for an extra hour of sleep. The few times I have told him how hard it is he has essentially told me that ive gotten what I wanted (a baby) and to suck it up. He takes the baby every now and then for like ten minutes, baby cries, husband is like "urgh, no thank you! This baby is hard work!", never once stopping to reflect on what it's like for me during the other 23h and 50 minutes of the day.

He has said once before that he is becoming suicidal. Last night he raised it again and said .. this is a quote " you are making me want to kill myself". I want to say it's the depression talking and I am trying to be compassionate but I am also furious and trying hard not to be. The worst part is that he's not the first person to say that to me, my mum said something similar when I was like 10 (she had significant trauma that was never dealt with I now know and is generally not ok). This morning he hugged me and said he felt like there was a weight of, I hugged him back and we cried but I am left feeling like total shit - a truly horrible person that makes people want to kill themselves.

I am bouncing from rage to guilt to deep shame and I don't know what to do.

OP posts:
theworldie · 22/04/2024 09:32

I’m not the least bit surprised at your update OP - these types of men are so obvious (to outsiders looking in at least).

Im so sorry you’re having to deal with this with a ten week old baby 💐

You need to get an appointment with a solicitor to find out your rights. Obviously try to drag out the house purchase until you have your ducks in a row but delaying could be tricky if he is involved (who deals with the estate agents? would it be worth speaking to them about what’s going on?)
Do you have anyone to confide in in real life? You need support.

DJ Dickhead is going to have a big shock coming to him. Keep your powder dry in the meantime. And remember to get all paperwork refinances/hide passports/photos/sentimental items - if you can start smuggling stuff out of the house that you’ll want to keep.

He will turn nasty once he knows you know so you need to pre-emp that.

Keep posting here for support and advice from women who’ve been through the same xx

crochetcatsknitting · 22/04/2024 10:01

Oh my word. What an absolute bastard! I'm so sorry you're going through this but glad you found out before you wasted more of your life!

intherough · 22/04/2024 10:14

theworldie · 22/04/2024 09:32

I’m not the least bit surprised at your update OP - these types of men are so obvious (to outsiders looking in at least).

Im so sorry you’re having to deal with this with a ten week old baby 💐

You need to get an appointment with a solicitor to find out your rights. Obviously try to drag out the house purchase until you have your ducks in a row but delaying could be tricky if he is involved (who deals with the estate agents? would it be worth speaking to them about what’s going on?)
Do you have anyone to confide in in real life? You need support.

DJ Dickhead is going to have a big shock coming to him. Keep your powder dry in the meantime. And remember to get all paperwork refinances/hide passports/photos/sentimental items - if you can start smuggling stuff out of the house that you’ll want to keep.

He will turn nasty once he knows you know so you need to pre-emp that.

Keep posting here for support and advice from women who’ve been through the same xx

I’m not the least bit surprised at your update OP - these types of men are so obvious (to outsiders looking in at least).

THIS

HulaChick · 22/04/2024 11:34

How awful for you OP but you seem to have a clear plan of what to do, so stay focused. Is there any chance the OW will tell him she's told you? Just worried incase that throws a spanner in the works for you. Wishing you the best of luck xx

kkloo · 22/04/2024 11:54

What a bastard.
I'm sorry he put you through all of that and that you've had to deal with all of his bullshit when you should have been enjoying your new baby.
At least you know the truth now.

Would you be able to tell him you're pulling out of the house purchase because it's not the right time due to the fact he's saying he hates his life and wants to kill himself?

0sm0nthus · 22/04/2024 12:07

What a selfish git he is🤬
My first husband cheated on me all through two pregnancies, it was pre-internet and I was blind to it at the time, only found out years later.
Things didn't go well for him, he was a complete git and he got what he deserved- through his own behavior not through any revenge that I took.... no need for that, keep your hands clean, you can easily out maneuver this twit.

Bridgertonned · 22/04/2024 12:43

Just wanted to add to the rest, that I'm sorry about your update OP. What a horrible thing to put you through, at any time but let alone with a new baby. I hope you have some IRL support.

ChateauMargaux · 22/04/2024 12:45

What a horrible situation.. I am sorry.

Get local advice on how to pull out of the sale.

You will also need local advice on how to take your children out of the country. The Hague Convention prevents parents from removing their children from the other parent and their habitual residence without parental permission. It is possible but the courts will need to be involved.

ChateauMargaux · 22/04/2024 12:46

Do reach out to the local expat community, you won't be the first woman who has divorced and wanted to go back to their homecountry with their children.

MsRosley · 22/04/2024 14:57

I'm so sorry, OP. How awful. Sending positive vibes for your determined escape from such a horrible man.

And to all those people who came on here to bash you and other posters about men's health and depression, shame on you. You should apologise.

NettleTea · 22/04/2024 15:03

do you think this other woman is likely to tell him that you've been in touch? Is it over between them - is that why she is no longer on his contacts.

do you have plans for a holiday? perhaps you could suggest one to 'help him relax' given all the depression, which would give you an excuse to get the passport? Somewhere of his choosing, likely with lots of chance for him to disappear and do fun things by himself (of course you are not actually going to go on this holiday, so try to make it appealing)

theworldie · 22/04/2024 16:05

And to all those people who came on here to bash you and other posters about men's health and depression, shame on you. You should apologise.

They won’t though - they’re the type who’ll be adamant it’s something the op has done that has caused her dh to play away. Probably she didn’t give the poor guy enough attention after she had the baby she forced him into making…Or she should’ve taken the dcs away for a month instead of just 4 days to give the poor lamb enough time alone practising on his decks!

Another day on MN - another entitled dickhead who’s broken up his family in order to fulfil his selfish desires, and completely gaslighted his wife into thinking it’s her fault in the process.

Hope you’re ok OP 💐

Americano75 · 22/04/2024 16:43

Ah, how tediously predictable. I'm so sorry, it's the worst feeling in the world but at least now you'll be free.

HesterPrincess · 22/04/2024 16:50

Oh god, how utterly predictable. I'm so sorry you're dealing this when you should be in a bubble with your newborn.

Can you stomach to have a fake "I'm worried about you" conversation and talk him into a weekend away or a retreat of some kind so you have something to cover your tracks when you leave?

0sm0nthus · 22/04/2024 17:16

Fake holiday of some kind sounds like a good idea.
Given his behaviour OP you have ample grounds to be as devious as is needed to get the job done, ie protect yourself & the children.

Reeceseggaddict · 22/04/2024 17:22

AmberMoose · 18/04/2024 20:38

My husband is depressed, regrets our baby and told me that I make him want to kill himself. I don't know what to do.

First time posting. Not sure what I'm looking for exactly, perhaps some outsider perspective. My husband (41) and I (38) had our second baby 10 weeks ago. We also have a six year old daughter. Conceiving our second was fraught; I really wanted another baby, he was hot and cold. Two miscarriages, two years of trying etc...

Second baby is significantly harder than our first - lots of crying, up 1000 times at night etc - and my husband is not coping. He has checked out and I feel like I am solo parenting our baby. He says he is depressed (post partum depression perhaps?) and is having a major existential crisis. He is so unhappy with our -admittedly, charmed - life and feels like I've been calling the shots over our ten year relationship.

He's recently gotten really into DJing and one of his main complaints is that he is now a servant to our family and has no time for himself. I've been doing all I can to ensure he has free time - I took both kids out of the house when the baby was just a couple of weeks old to give him space when I was still sore and recovering and just wanted to be on the couch. He has taken several trips away to do various things related to his music, I have looked after the kids without complaint, I ask about how he's feeling, listen to him complain (about me and our life), take on additional life admin tasks to take them off his plate... All things he has expressed in the past make him feel loved and cared for.

Two nights ago when I got home after four days away (with both kids to give him space and free time) he says that the key to him feeling better is that he needs to better compartmentalise all his responsibilities and ensure he has enough time for all of them - i.e., more time. For him to have more free time, I need to exchange mine and I feel I have nomore.to give. I am feeling so much resentment towards him. I have been out of the house only twice by myself; I barely have had enough alone time to blow dry my hair over the past two and a half months. I have never asked for help ( I did once and it sent him on a spiral); not even in the middle of the night when I am so exhausted I feel I am about to crack. Never once have i handed him the baby and bottle and begged for an extra hour of sleep. The few times I have told him how hard it is he has essentially told me that ive gotten what I wanted (a baby) and to suck it up. He takes the baby every now and then for like ten minutes, baby cries, husband is like "urgh, no thank you! This baby is hard work!", never once stopping to reflect on what it's like for me during the other 23h and 50 minutes of the day.

He has said once before that he is becoming suicidal. Last night he raised it again and said .. this is a quote " you are making me want to kill myself". I want to say it's the depression talking and I am trying to be compassionate but I am also furious and trying hard not to be. The worst part is that he's not the first person to say that to me, my mum said something similar when I was like 10 (she had significant trauma that was never dealt with I now know and is generally not ok). This morning he hugged me and said he felt like there was a weight of, I hugged him back and we cried but I am left feeling like total shit - a truly horrible person that makes people want to kill themselves.

I am bouncing from rage to guilt to deep shame and I don't know what to do.

Does he take coke when he’s DJing? That can make people really horrible and feel very low. Not giving him an excuse but it’s an explanation for very strange behaviour!

Duh · 22/04/2024 17:27

@Reeceseggaddict read the OPs updates. It all developed predictably and her husband is a cheating scumbag.

OP I am so sorry, good luck getting away from him and stay strong.

Reeceseggaddict · 22/04/2024 17:30

I’ve just read your update! He’s actually unhinged. Can you get your wage diverted to another account and say there’s been an issue with it because you’re on mat leave? If you’re in Europe, I’m assuming there may be domestic violence charities you could contact. They may be able to help with the passport ? I wouldn’t keep any evidence that he can find and if the woman tells him you’ve been in touch, deny it..

Reeceseggaddict · 22/04/2024 17:31

HesterPrincess · 22/04/2024 16:50

Oh god, how utterly predictable. I'm so sorry you're dealing this when you should be in a bubble with your newborn.

Can you stomach to have a fake "I'm worried about you" conversation and talk him into a weekend away or a retreat of some kind so you have something to cover your tracks when you leave?

These are good ideas!

ReadingSoManyThreads · 22/04/2024 18:25

theworldie · 22/04/2024 09:32

I’m not the least bit surprised at your update OP - these types of men are so obvious (to outsiders looking in at least).

Im so sorry you’re having to deal with this with a ten week old baby 💐

You need to get an appointment with a solicitor to find out your rights. Obviously try to drag out the house purchase until you have your ducks in a row but delaying could be tricky if he is involved (who deals with the estate agents? would it be worth speaking to them about what’s going on?)
Do you have anyone to confide in in real life? You need support.

DJ Dickhead is going to have a big shock coming to him. Keep your powder dry in the meantime. And remember to get all paperwork refinances/hide passports/photos/sentimental items - if you can start smuggling stuff out of the house that you’ll want to keep.

He will turn nasty once he knows you know so you need to pre-emp that.

Keep posting here for support and advice from women who’ve been through the same xx

Just a note to say please DO NOT tell estate agents what's going on. I did this when I was leaving my husband due to DV and they fucking told him my plans in terms of new house. This went against what the police had advised me (telling my H my plans), and lead to him beating me. Trust no one, do not tell the estate agents your plans.

Imgoingandnevercomingback · 22/04/2024 19:46

Reeceseggaddict · 22/04/2024 17:22

Does he take coke when he’s DJing? That can make people really horrible and feel very low. Not giving him an excuse but it’s an explanation for very strange behaviour!

Read the OPs updates. It’s really easy. Click ‘see all’ in the bottom left corner.

Imgoingandnevercomingback · 22/04/2024 19:48

So sorry OP. You have good advice here. You will get through this and build a better life for yourself but it’s going to be tough for a while so look after yourself.

Runnerinthenight · 22/04/2024 20:46

What a scummy bastard! See a solicitor urgently and work out how to remove yourself from this scumbag of a 'man'.

I wish you and your little ones well xx

SometimesIDowonder · 27/04/2024 08:19

It's possible he both has depression and is being abusive. And the fact is there's only so much someone can put up with. In the original post OP you said he won't take his own baby without complaining, he's constantly looking out for himself. Actually if a woman did this depressed or not people would be shocked!

He needs help but needs to take responsibility for that and stop just checking out. I'd suggest a kind but clear conversation that he clearly isn't OK, he has some resentment built up towards you. He needs help. Ask him what might help you? Are these things hes doing actually helping or is it about therapy, subtle changes to the relationship, sleep, diet, exercise.
But also say I cannot do all this on my own. We as a family need you. Explain the baby needs time with his dad. At this point it cannot be well I didn't want one anyway. That's a person who isn't to blame.

However reading your updates if this isn't working you might be better off without him. He sounds manipulative depression or not.

Quebeccles · 27/04/2024 08:32

SometimesIDowonder · 27/04/2024 08:19

It's possible he both has depression and is being abusive. And the fact is there's only so much someone can put up with. In the original post OP you said he won't take his own baby without complaining, he's constantly looking out for himself. Actually if a woman did this depressed or not people would be shocked!

He needs help but needs to take responsibility for that and stop just checking out. I'd suggest a kind but clear conversation that he clearly isn't OK, he has some resentment built up towards you. He needs help. Ask him what might help you? Are these things hes doing actually helping or is it about therapy, subtle changes to the relationship, sleep, diet, exercise.
But also say I cannot do all this on my own. We as a family need you. Explain the baby needs time with his dad. At this point it cannot be well I didn't want one anyway. That's a person who isn't to blame.

However reading your updates if this isn't working you might be better off without him. He sounds manipulative depression or not.

Edited

You say you’ve read the OP’s up dates but you have read that the ‘d’h funnily never mentioned he met another woman on Tinder, yes? A woman who found him ‘aggressive and potentially violent’?

This isn’t just ‘depression’.

Hope you’re OK @AmberMoose