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Husband depressed after birth of our second child ten weeks ago, says I make him want to kill himself

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AmberMoose · 18/04/2024 20:38

My husband is depressed, regrets our baby and told me that I make him want to kill himself. I don't know what to do.

First time posting. Not sure what I'm looking for exactly, perhaps some outsider perspective. My husband (41) and I (38) had our second baby 10 weeks ago. We also have a six year old daughter. Conceiving our second was fraught; I really wanted another baby, he was hot and cold. Two miscarriages, two years of trying etc...

Second baby is significantly harder than our first - lots of crying, up 1000 times at night etc - and my husband is not coping. He has checked out and I feel like I am solo parenting our baby. He says he is depressed (post partum depression perhaps?) and is having a major existential crisis. He is so unhappy with our -admittedly, charmed - life and feels like I've been calling the shots over our ten year relationship.

He's recently gotten really into DJing and one of his main complaints is that he is now a servant to our family and has no time for himself. I've been doing all I can to ensure he has free time - I took both kids out of the house when the baby was just a couple of weeks old to give him space when I was still sore and recovering and just wanted to be on the couch. He has taken several trips away to do various things related to his music, I have looked after the kids without complaint, I ask about how he's feeling, listen to him complain (about me and our life), take on additional life admin tasks to take them off his plate... All things he has expressed in the past make him feel loved and cared for.

Two nights ago when I got home after four days away (with both kids to give him space and free time) he says that the key to him feeling better is that he needs to better compartmentalise all his responsibilities and ensure he has enough time for all of them - i.e., more time. For him to have more free time, I need to exchange mine and I feel I have nomore.to give. I am feeling so much resentment towards him. I have been out of the house only twice by myself; I barely have had enough alone time to blow dry my hair over the past two and a half months. I have never asked for help ( I did once and it sent him on a spiral); not even in the middle of the night when I am so exhausted I feel I am about to crack. Never once have i handed him the baby and bottle and begged for an extra hour of sleep. The few times I have told him how hard it is he has essentially told me that ive gotten what I wanted (a baby) and to suck it up. He takes the baby every now and then for like ten minutes, baby cries, husband is like "urgh, no thank you! This baby is hard work!", never once stopping to reflect on what it's like for me during the other 23h and 50 minutes of the day.

He has said once before that he is becoming suicidal. Last night he raised it again and said .. this is a quote " you are making me want to kill myself". I want to say it's the depression talking and I am trying to be compassionate but I am also furious and trying hard not to be. The worst part is that he's not the first person to say that to me, my mum said something similar when I was like 10 (she had significant trauma that was never dealt with I now know and is generally not ok). This morning he hugged me and said he felt like there was a weight of, I hugged him back and we cried but I am left feeling like total shit - a truly horrible person that makes people want to kill themselves.

I am bouncing from rage to guilt to deep shame and I don't know what to do.

OP posts:
Heartoverhead1 · 19/04/2024 21:48

Icantpaint · 19/04/2024 17:25

I’ve stepped back from mumsnet recently due to its toxicity but today I popped back on and spotted this thread.

awful attitude to male depression (regardless of what’s happening with the op’s husband, the overall vibe is awful)

it’s still fucking toxic on this site

Off you pop then.

NettleTea · 19/04/2024 21:54

MsCactus · 19/04/2024 19:20

This is bizarre. Why is male mental health always a female's problem to sort out?

exactly. women set up to be the caregivers at all times, even when they have a 10 week old baby thats difficult.

Strangely the stats show that women generally DO stick around and help and support - whether thats with MH or physical health, whereas men, when the tables are turned, quite often check out and leave. Same if they have a disabled kid.

badhappenings · 19/04/2024 22:21

If he's DJing there's no way he's depressed.
His selfishness and lack of support is extreme and he's doing a real number on you.

Franticbutterfly · 19/04/2024 22:36

41 and DJing? Bit late to crack the clubs.

kkloo · 19/04/2024 22:55

@AmberMoose
What did his sister say when you told her? And has she spoken to him?

Daz57 · 19/04/2024 23:00

Pancakefam · 19/04/2024 20:10

Amazing. Ever since seeing the campaigns around men's post natal mental health I've been waiting for someone to say that PND is actually worse for men than women, and here it is. It's embarrassing frankly, but it felt inevitably with the ongoing prioritisation of men's health more generally.

No one has said that PND is worse for men. But if you were to research the subject, you would see that men can suffer from depression and anxiety after the birth of their child. I saw this first hand with my grandson’s daddy.
My daughter sadly had PND and became psychotic … a very hard and sad time for us all.

Endoftheroad12345 · 19/04/2024 23:01

hi @AmberMoose

I would say that regardless of whether your H has another woman on the go he is certainly abusive - probably worse than you’ve actually acknowledged to yourself from what little you’ve said about your pre DC2 relationship - blowing hot and cold on the second child and then dangling the idea, knowing how much you wanted one. The reference to a “reconciliation”, “tough times” etc. I say this as someone who lived this too.

My exH was very similar and got worse when we had DS1 in 2014, culminating in him giving me a black eye in 2015 when I told him it was his turn to get up to the baby in the middle of the night. We stayed together - he had three session of therapy which “fixed” him 😵‍💫 - and had a comparatively golden period from 2016 to the birth of DD in 2018 (although I now look back and see many instances of abuse occurred, just none as bad as the assault episode). It’s more straightforward for me to call my ex abusive because he actually hit me but tbh, having suffered both, emotional abuse, withholding, contempt, breadcrumbing, feeling totally alone and unsupported in your marriage is harder to deal with than a black eye.

I ended the marriage at the end of 2022. Like you I wanted my kids to grow up with both parents. I come from a very Catholic background (not practicing but hard habit to shake 😂) and I was very “hand to the plough and don’t look back” about my marriage. I also came from a financially unstable background and one thing I will say for exH is that he was very financially stable (mean and controlling about money though), I have a very good career and together we had built what looked like a lovely life for our kids - a nice house with a pool (in NZ), a beach house, trips to Europe, Fiji etc - we were materially very privileged. Coming from a family where we couldn’t afford to get hot water cylinder fixed in winter I found that hard to let go.

Endoftheroad12345 · 19/04/2024 23:04

@AmberMoose

Ending my marriage was the best thing I have ever done, apart from having my kids. I am so happy now. I’ve managed to buy exH out of the family home, my career has taken a step up since our marriage ended, the kids are much more settled, ex has them EoW if that.

If I were you I’d be making plans to exit and perhaps capitalising on his current disinterest in family life to try to make a move back to home in the southern hemisphere so you having family support. Your kids are still very young and it sounds like Europe is not “home” for them yet?

Endoftheroad12345 · 19/04/2024 23:08

I know you say your ex is a great dad but he treats you like shit and has no interest in your second child. That’s not a great dad. I guarantee he will not be interested in 50:50 care of both kids. Make this situation work for you.

Since my marriage ended I’ve started a relationship with a wonderful man (who was actually my high school boyfriend when I was an exchange student in Germany in 1999! 😂). You are still so young - I am 43 and am looking ahead to the future with hope and optimism, where previously I was resigned to potentially 50 more years of misery.

dimllaishebiaith · 19/04/2024 23:11

Daz57 · 19/04/2024 16:07

Well put. I am constantly saddened at how women talk about men on MN. Very little compassion, shocking language towards them and how many of these women have sons? Is that how they would like them to be treated one day?

Ah yes, men are sad about how women talk about them, women are sad about men beating and killing them, poor men

Daz57 · 19/04/2024 23:20

threeisacharm18 · 19/04/2024 19:43

My friends husband went through this exact same situation. He never recovered and did kill himself. Roughly same ages. Now she's left to raise a not even 1 year old and 8 year old. He suffered depression his whole life. The baby, which he did not want must have tipped him over the edge.

I say all this to say that I know it sounds like he's being a dick but I'd try and get him help.

Good luck OP

I’m so sorry for your loss. My daughter sadly took her life after suffering from PND.

WildBear · 19/04/2024 23:25

It's not male depression. He's down in the dumps as he has responsibilities that he won't face up to! He's a sad sack because he he can't do everything he used to be able to EVEN THOUGH he has a charmed bloody life compared to his wife but the selfish sod can't even see it AND he has the gall to say SHE makes him want to kill himself. From what OP has said, she's been very bloody supportive, to her own detriment, yet she's been treated like shit.

Greenfluffycardi · 19/04/2024 23:27

He’s an absolutely selfish dick head. I can’t even get my head around how selfish !

Americano75 · 20/04/2024 09:31

@Daz57 I'm so, so sorry for your loss. Much love to you.

MsRosley · 21/04/2024 08:43

threeisacharm18 · 19/04/2024 19:43

My friends husband went through this exact same situation. He never recovered and did kill himself. Roughly same ages. Now she's left to raise a not even 1 year old and 8 year old. He suffered depression his whole life. The baby, which he did not want must have tipped him over the edge.

I say all this to say that I know it sounds like he's being a dick but I'd try and get him help.

Good luck OP

You're no friend to that woman. Your post is dripping with blame and misogyny. Not least of all if a man doesn't want a baby, he can a) have a vasectomy b) use condoms or c) refuse to ejaculate in his wife's vagina.

pinkmags · 21/04/2024 09:50

Not least of all if a man doesn't want a baby, he can a) have a vasectomy b) use condoms or c) refuse to ejaculate in his wife's vagina.

What if his wife tells him that she's got a coil or takes the pill (but doesn't as she's desperate for a baby)

theworldie · 21/04/2024 09:52

pinkmags · 21/04/2024 09:50

Not least of all if a man doesn't want a baby, he can a) have a vasectomy b) use condoms or c) refuse to ejaculate in his wife's vagina.

What if his wife tells him that she's got a coil or takes the pill (but doesn't as she's desperate for a baby)

Start your own thread about that if it’s something that applies to you.

That isn’t the case here as you would know if you’d rtft.

MsRosley · 21/04/2024 09:53

pinkmags · 21/04/2024 09:50

Not least of all if a man doesn't want a baby, he can a) have a vasectomy b) use condoms or c) refuse to ejaculate in his wife's vagina.

What if his wife tells him that she's got a coil or takes the pill (but doesn't as she's desperate for a baby)

So he just risks it? If you're that certain you don't want another child, you take precautions yourself. You don't reply on someone else to do that for you. Ever.

Megifer · 21/04/2024 10:30

pinkmags · 21/04/2024 09:50

Not least of all if a man doesn't want a baby, he can a) have a vasectomy b) use condoms or c) refuse to ejaculate in his wife's vagina.

What if his wife tells him that she's got a coil or takes the pill (but doesn't as she's desperate for a baby)

Then she's a liar.

And he's an idiot for not taking his own precautions if he's so certain he doesn't want a baby 🤷‍♀️

Frazzledmummy123 · 21/04/2024 11:09

He's recently gotten really into DJing and one of his main complaints is that he is now a servant to our family and has no time for himself. I've been doing all I can to ensure he has free time - I took both kids out of the house when the baby was just a couple of weeks old to give him space when I was still sore and recovering and just wanted to be on the couch.

And what about YOUR free time and time to yourself?? It is common sense that you get less time to yourself when you have young children, he needs to grow up. He is ok to do his DJing when apparently suicidal? He isn't depressed, he is just selfish and manipulative. Any depression he does have, he is playing on to get his own way and pursue his new hobby with little or no thought for you.

I would be reconsidering this relationship. Maybe some counselling might be helpful, or call his bluff and let him see if the grass his greener when he gets plenty free time.

AmberMoose · 22/04/2024 06:07

So my suspicions about him cheating were correct. I spoke to the woman last night, they met on tinder a couple of years ago (I'm sure she's not the only one) and have been in contact ever since. Apparently once he texted her as me, saying he has borderline personality disorder which honestly tracks. This is not the first time I've learnt of his infidelity but it will be the last.

She said she found him to be aggressive and potentially violent. I've never experienced violence but he is definitely capable of agression and as I'm now realizing, huge manipulation and general mind fuckery. Time to go.

My question - how do I gtfo? I need him in order to get our son's passport so I won't say anything yet then I will take the kids back home when he is on his next work trip. Move savings into my personal account. Try to kill the house purchase we are about to imminently close on (without him realising). Might any of these things get me in trouble legally?

Anything else I need to be thinking about?

OP posts:
BigButtons · 22/04/2024 06:35

@AmberMoose I am really sorry. Sorry for all the shittery you are having to put up with. Others will come along soon with great advice for your next stage. Hugs x

Delphinium20 · 22/04/2024 06:35

I would contact a lawyer ASAP.

I am so, so sorry, OP. Take care of yourself and get out as fast as you can.

Billybagpuss · 22/04/2024 06:41

As long as you haven’t exchanged on the house purchase you’ll be ok. if you have there will be a penalty to pay.

where is the passport?
Start getting paperwork together, don’t forget copies of his pensions
Get a good Lawyer

Good luck

Endoftheroad12345 · 22/04/2024 06:43

I’m so sorry @AmberMoose but also thank fuck you are taking steps to exit. Your life will be amazing.

Do consult a lawyer as a matter of urgency.

Could you get home to the southern hemisphere with kids and inform him re separation from there?

If you think he will be violent or unpredictable when you tell him, make sure you have a support person and get the kids out of there beforehand.

Mine drained our joint accounts of all funds (circa $35kNZ) when I told him I wanted “some time apart”. I got it back but not without threatening police action.

He went though all my drawers, handbags etc and stole some sentimental items.

We had to maintain joint accounts for a year after separation (I don’t recommend this!) and he monitored my movements via this. Take out cash every time you go to the supermarket or whatever and build up a stash.

We are affluent middle class lawyers- the whole experience was so discombobulating for me.