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Really confused about everything

158 replies

squishyarms · 17/04/2024 09:07

This is going to be long so apologies in advance!

I have been married over 10 and together with my H for 20 years. We are both early 40's. We run a business together and spend most of our time together or dealing with work issues, or talking about work. We have two DS's 11&9.

The business was DH's first but once both kids were at school full time I've been heavily involved and taken more of a front seat - customer facing. So I'm basically the face of it now. Although everyone knows he's there he does the majority of school pick ups as I'm at work the majority of the time.

During and post Covid my DH suffered with some serious depression and anxiety, which had been bubbling away for years but Covid, a family bereavement and a house move exacerbated everything and we were in a total mess. I was living on eggshells, kids were nervous around him and living on screens because I was always at work and he was often in bed. I finally went with him to the GP and he was given the meds he needed and started to recover. at this point I felt like a carer more than a partner.

I did a terrible thing when he was at rock bottom. I met someone and fell in love with them. They were like a ray of sunshine in my stressful miserable life and showed me what it was like to talk openly and they listened to me. Nothing physically happened but we spent hours texting and chatting at work and whilst I was out and about at cash and carry, cleaning etc. I had no idea but as my DH got better mentally - while he wasn't well he couldn't help it but he literally checked out of me and my life - he started to notice me on my phone more and making an effort with my appearance.

He confronted me one day and I admitted I had been talking to this person and that I felt like I loved them. Obviously he hit the roof, we had some horrific weeks/months. He got a ladder and a rope and took it to the bottom of the garden where we have a huge tree and threatened to hang himself, he smashed plates and cups and called me all sorts of horrible things. I almost said nothing during these times, I didn't have the right words, I wanted to end things. But he said the kids would hate me, I would ruin their lives, I would have to move out (we have a big mortgage), I wouldn't have a job, the whole community would hate me because I've cheated.

So I stopped talking to the other person, both I and they are heartbroken. But I can't do that to my children.

This has been since before Christmas and I can't move forward. DH drinks and vapes too much, but he says these are the things that calm him down from the stress I've caused him.

I'm miserable but he is right, I'd had nowhere to live, no job if I left, so we are stuck in this daily cycle of being pleasant to each other, which we are actually really good at, we do have a lot of the same values and we work together as a team for the kids. I have stopped having sex with him, I realised I was only doing it for him. I never actually felt the urge to do it, I just agreed when he wanted and although it was fine when we did it I was nearly always thinking about this other person.

Now he just gives me the ick, the vaping - he does it in bed and in the kitchen and all over the house. I can't ask him to stop as it's my fault he started. And when he's pissed and half asleep on the sofa he doesn't even know he's doing it but he picks his nose and eats it.

I don't even know what I'm asking. But I'm so miserable

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Nicebloomers · 17/04/2024 09:26

You need to speak to a lawyer. Also start looking for a job outside of the family business.

You can’t stay in a relationship because he’s threatening suicide and:punishing you. I understand he’s angry but if both of you aren’t willing to push forward with repairing the relationship then there isn’t really a choice but to live like this in misery or go ahead with splitting. The kids will be fine.

squishyarms · 17/04/2024 13:39

Thank you for your reply. He wants to make it work, but I just can't see me ever wanting to. We just exist day to day not talking about the problems. He thinks because I don't bring anything up I am ok. Even though I've told him I'm not. What a disaster. Kids are so happy and life is hectic with football, swimming and all the clubs I can't imagine how it would even work if we were split. But that's no reason to stay is it? I'm not in love with him anymore and it's so sad but it's happened and I can't turn the clock back

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BMW6 · 17/04/2024 13:49

Your marriage is dead OP, he's in denial but both of you deserve to be happy, so the answer is to divorce.

He won't see it yet - or possibly ever- but threats of suicide shouldn't stop you from ending this. That's just emotional blackmail.

Your kids will be OK when the dust settles.

squishyarms · 17/04/2024 20:47

The emotional blackmail really stops me from doing anything, I feel trapped. He says the kids are more likely to become offenders or end up in prison and also that he doesn't think he'd cope ok on his own (he's actually a brilliant dad)

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fromaytobe · 17/04/2024 21:17

squishyarms · 17/04/2024 20:47

The emotional blackmail really stops me from doing anything, I feel trapped. He says the kids are more likely to become offenders or end up in prison and also that he doesn't think he'd cope ok on his own (he's actually a brilliant dad)

Blackmail is right. Millions of children have parents who end their relationships and go on to find new ones. All those millions of children are not going to end up in prison.

You feel trapped because he is trapping you.

The business - who owns it? Is it his business with you as an employee, or do you part-own it?

squishyarms · 17/04/2024 22:26

I part own it, I think I'm a majority shareholder due to tax reasons. I don't want it, or any of the money. I just want out.

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Flyhigher · 17/04/2024 22:32

Why isn't it your business if you do most of the work?

He's horrible. You need a strategy to escape.

Flyhigher · 17/04/2024 22:33

It's your business. Keep it. Does he work in it at all?

squishyarms · 17/04/2024 23:06

It was his before we got married and then I started working with him.

He's not horrible, he's just desperate

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squishyarms · 17/04/2024 23:07

Yes he does work there but I definitely work much more there.

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squishyarms · 18/04/2024 10:26

His parents ran it before we did, so definitely more his.

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squishyarms · 13/06/2024 20:02

Anyone? I'm still here, stuck but scared of his reaction. I'm so trapped

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MrJollyLivesNextDoor · 13/06/2024 20:08

You need to see a solicitor

They will be able to advise you where you stand with the business and finances etc.

He is emotionally blackmailing you and he sounds pretty awful tbh - vaping in bed, I would divorce him for that alone.

You are not doing your children any favours by bringing them up in this environment, far from it in fact.

Get legal advice then go from there

squishyarms · 13/06/2024 20:10

Thank you. I'm scared to mention the vaping because it's my fault he's doing it - according to him.

Hopefully I can talk to a solicitor on the phone. He's got find friends on my phone so I can't go anywhere without him knowing.

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DaisyChain505 · 13/06/2024 20:16

Life is too short to be miserable. Your children are old enough to understand how hard life has been with your DH as they’ve had to live through it as well.

even if you have to move to a tiny flat, you’ll be happier there than you are in your family home right now.

contact a solicitor and get your ducks in a row.

everyone deserves to be happy.

squishyarms · 13/06/2024 20:30

We own a flat I could move to / if I give the tenants notice. So there is an option for me to go there and H to stay here in the family home with the kids. I mentioned that a while ago and he said if I was happy to make the tenant homeless then go ahead

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Oceancolorseen · 13/06/2024 20:34

Let your phone run flat and go out.
see a solicitor get organised.
It’s not your job to prevent him lulling himself! FFS I’d leave for that alone.

MaryMack · 13/06/2024 20:34

Give the tenant notice and move out. End your marriage. The vaping and the nose picking are deal breakers.

squishyarms · 13/06/2024 20:37

It's mental what you get used to and think is normal. Vaping in the car, vaping at the breakfast table. But I've no voice to say anything. I'm so tired.

I will speak to someone asap

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StrawberryWater · 13/06/2024 22:00

H to stay here in the family home with the kids

Absolutely not op. Do not leave your children with this mess of a man. You say they're nervous around him but you want to leave them with him. FFS give your head a good wobble.

Sorry to sound harsh op but you not only need to start advocating for yourself but you also need to start looking out for your children and that means getting them away from this horror show of a man.

Call women's aid and get the hell out of there asap. And take your children with you!

squishyarms · 14/06/2024 10:18

There is no way he would agree to me having the kids full time. It would be 50/50. I wouldn't just leave them with him though. And I hate this house so much, so many horrible memories and stressful things have happened here. I just want out

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Girlmom35 · 14/06/2024 11:51

You're going to have to make some tough choices, but your situation isn't going to get any better just waiting for it. Honestly, Yes you crossed a line when you were in contact with the other man, but it seems like your husband was waiting for you to mess something up so he now has an excuse to behave like an asshole and blame you for it.

Stop thinking about maybe getting a sollicitor on the phone because your husband can trace your phone etc etc.
Remove the find my friends app
Get a sollicitor
Start documenting the things he says about:

  • the children hating/resenting you
  • his threats to commit suicide of you leave him
  • the damage to the children
  • How they will be messed up from seeing him like this
  • How he won't be able to take care of the children in his mental state
Start buiding a file to show his incompetence. You may say he's a good dad. I think maybe he could have been one at some point. Right now the children are his ammo to use against him. No halfway decent father does that. Then get another job Evict the tenants. Who care what your husband says about it? They won't be homeless. They will get notice and find another place to live. Move out with the children ASAP.

Stop thinking that you're trapped. You're not. But the only one who's getting you out, is going to be you.

StrawberryWater · 14/06/2024 13:30

squishyarms · 14/06/2024 10:18

There is no way he would agree to me having the kids full time. It would be 50/50. I wouldn't just leave them with him though. And I hate this house so much, so many horrible memories and stressful things have happened here. I just want out

An abusive man would not get 50/50. He can try all he wants. It won't happen. Also at 11 and 9 your children's opinions on where they live will be taken into account. Stop making excuses. If you want out, get out.

squishyarms · 15/06/2024 09:54

You are right, I make excuses all the time, it's just the huge upheaval in every area of my life. I wish I'd never started working with him, makes everything so much more complicated

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DaisyChainsandSunnyDays · 15/06/2024 11:32

Hi Op hope you are ok today.
Pease book a phone call with a solicitor, you can take it in the supermarket car park your DH won’t know that your not shopping.
i think you need to take charge of the situation instead of wandering what DH will and will not do.
write down what are your needs what your ideal outcome
i think you should stay with children in the family home, absolutely do not leave them with DH , he drinking, he’s not emotionally stable if he’s threatened suicide and is emotionally blackmailing you
DH can move into your second property and getting a different job or you can start looking for a new job yourself
tenant will not be made homeless, you have notice period I’m sure , this is a manipulation
Good luck