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Really confused about everything

158 replies

squishyarms · 17/04/2024 09:07

This is going to be long so apologies in advance!

I have been married over 10 and together with my H for 20 years. We are both early 40's. We run a business together and spend most of our time together or dealing with work issues, or talking about work. We have two DS's 11&9.

The business was DH's first but once both kids were at school full time I've been heavily involved and taken more of a front seat - customer facing. So I'm basically the face of it now. Although everyone knows he's there he does the majority of school pick ups as I'm at work the majority of the time.

During and post Covid my DH suffered with some serious depression and anxiety, which had been bubbling away for years but Covid, a family bereavement and a house move exacerbated everything and we were in a total mess. I was living on eggshells, kids were nervous around him and living on screens because I was always at work and he was often in bed. I finally went with him to the GP and he was given the meds he needed and started to recover. at this point I felt like a carer more than a partner.

I did a terrible thing when he was at rock bottom. I met someone and fell in love with them. They were like a ray of sunshine in my stressful miserable life and showed me what it was like to talk openly and they listened to me. Nothing physically happened but we spent hours texting and chatting at work and whilst I was out and about at cash and carry, cleaning etc. I had no idea but as my DH got better mentally - while he wasn't well he couldn't help it but he literally checked out of me and my life - he started to notice me on my phone more and making an effort with my appearance.

He confronted me one day and I admitted I had been talking to this person and that I felt like I loved them. Obviously he hit the roof, we had some horrific weeks/months. He got a ladder and a rope and took it to the bottom of the garden where we have a huge tree and threatened to hang himself, he smashed plates and cups and called me all sorts of horrible things. I almost said nothing during these times, I didn't have the right words, I wanted to end things. But he said the kids would hate me, I would ruin their lives, I would have to move out (we have a big mortgage), I wouldn't have a job, the whole community would hate me because I've cheated.

So I stopped talking to the other person, both I and they are heartbroken. But I can't do that to my children.

This has been since before Christmas and I can't move forward. DH drinks and vapes too much, but he says these are the things that calm him down from the stress I've caused him.

I'm miserable but he is right, I'd had nowhere to live, no job if I left, so we are stuck in this daily cycle of being pleasant to each other, which we are actually really good at, we do have a lot of the same values and we work together as a team for the kids. I have stopped having sex with him, I realised I was only doing it for him. I never actually felt the urge to do it, I just agreed when he wanted and although it was fine when we did it I was nearly always thinking about this other person.

Now he just gives me the ick, the vaping - he does it in bed and in the kitchen and all over the house. I can't ask him to stop as it's my fault he started. And when he's pissed and half asleep on the sofa he doesn't even know he's doing it but he picks his nose and eats it.

I don't even know what I'm asking. But I'm so miserable

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Polkad · 31/01/2025 19:54

squishyarms · 31/01/2025 19:37

I moved out today! Kids are with me for the first few nights. Such a relief
Feels like I'm on holiday

Delighted for you.
What is the money situation?
Have you approached the police and reported him for financial abuse?
You can do this at any time.
So pleased you are away.
Don't allow him across the door.
Protect your safe place.

Bumblebeestiltskin · 31/01/2025 21:42

Amazing update! ❤️

squishyarms · 01/02/2025 12:08

I have set up the direct debits for all the bills in the joint account.

December and January were fairly shit. Lots of being berated. But apparently it's allowed because it's his reaction to my disrespect.

He's so full of shit I just don't engage. And now I don't need to!

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squishyarms · 01/02/2025 12:11

He has told everyone at work that I've left him for someone else: he can't believe I would actually do this for myself. I was so worried about everyone's reaction but so far all I have had is people asking me if I am ok. So perhaps it was more obvious how things were than I thought.

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PeggyMitchellsCameo · 01/02/2025 17:33

squishyarms · 01/02/2025 12:11

He has told everyone at work that I've left him for someone else: he can't believe I would actually do this for myself. I was so worried about everyone's reaction but so far all I have had is people asking me if I am ok. So perhaps it was more obvious how things were than I thought.

One thing I have learned is that people at work don’t want to hear someone slagging off their partner or ex partner.
And others will have a feeling for exactly who and what he is.
Now he’s just confirming it - he’s behaving like an idiot because he’s an…. idiot!
Hope you are doing okay.

Elle771 · 01/02/2025 17:50

squishyarms · 01/02/2025 12:11

He has told everyone at work that I've left him for someone else: he can't believe I would actually do this for myself. I was so worried about everyone's reaction but so far all I have had is people asking me if I am ok. So perhaps it was more obvious how things were than I thought.

In my experience, once you leave it's always surprising how many people are perfectly aware of how shit your life was and are actually happy you got out.. even if you've not behaved "perfectly".. enjoy your freedom!!!

Polkad · 01/02/2025 19:17

I remember some years ago a woman being a shock separation from a very charming man in my childrens school.

She was a very calm nice discreet woman and one of the mums told me that she bumped into her and just quietly said "I heard, I hope you are ok, wish you the best etc." She wasn't nosy, wasn't going to linger, but the mum replied quietly "thanks so much, just glad we got out".

Fxxk did that land.
Was that past around so quietly and discreetly among the women.
She received so much quiet support from so many women.

So my advice OP is respond like that while looking people straight it the eye, just like she did. It really lands.

He's a nasty fxxker who has abused you for years.
Wishing you well and we are here for you.

ilovemyhamster · 01/02/2025 19:39

Wishing you a very happy future OP. You've been amazing. It won't be easy but by God it's worth it. I promise you it is 🌷 x

squishyarms · 25/02/2025 07:15

Everything is such a mess, the kids hate me, I've had hours of them saying I have ruined their lives. They refused to sleep at mine last night. I don't know what to do.

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squishyarms · 25/02/2025 07:25

H just says it's my fault as all this is down to me and he knew the kids would be like this and that's why he was so keen on staying together.

When we sat them down and told them he told them that it was my choice not his and that he didn't want me to leave but that he was ok with it. Before I left there was one night the kids were asking lots of questions and I was explaining that lots of relationships don't last forever but grown up relationships are very complicated and they didn't need to know all the details just that mum and dad loved them so much and they were our main priority. At this point he ran in the room, he was obviously a bit drunk and he pointed in my face and with the most vitriolic voice said 'stop the lies'

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Glorybox2025 · 25/02/2025 07:28

The children are being poisoned by him. Have you filed for divorce? I suggest you need to do so and sell the house. You should both have a home of equivalent value and size. The children are being emotionally blackmailed into staying with him more because he's in their 'home'. I know they need stability but he's not providing it.

Changingdisincase · 25/02/2025 07:30

Stay strong OP. It’s painful for the kids but how happy can they genuinely be if their mum is utterly miserable? Your DH is scared, weak and pathetic. The kids will come round when the dust settles, just continue to do right by them ❤️

squishyarms · 25/02/2025 07:42

I'm scared to file for divorce it'll just make things unbearable.

I know I need to stay strong but when your kids refuse to stay with you it's heartbreaking. I'm in a 2 bed flat and he's in a 4 bed house with an acre of land.

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squishyarms · 25/02/2025 07:46

Last night they were even saying, you must spend all dad's money, that's why you married him.

H swears blind he's never said that out loud, but they've picked that up from somewhere.

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AMurderofMurderingCrows · 25/02/2025 08:02

Have you seen a counsellor or a solicitor yet?

squishyarms · 25/02/2025 08:08

No. If I see a solicitor he'll hit the roof. He says they are a waste of money and we can work it out on our own. Which I know based on what I've said is ridiculous but I don't want to rock the boat. God I'm
So pathetic

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Everintroverte · 25/02/2025 08:25

Just read the thread, you have been through a really tough time.

For the children - would think that the children have absolutely picked up on his words of the past few years, and he is likely still making comments when they children are with him. They will be struggling to get there heads around what is happening and adjusting to a different way of life, have you spoken to their school to see if they can have some pastoral support? If not offered through the school see if there are any counselling services available for the children locally so that they can have someone impartial to work things through with.

For you - You have done the right thing in leaving, he sounds abusive and controlling. He has hit reflected on his behaviour at all just made you the scapegoat. Of course he doesn't want a solicitor involved, it's a way to keep up the control. Screw that!! Get yourself to a solicitor and what you are entitled too. You don't need to continue suffering, you can have a house and somewhere that is yours, away from him.

Glorybox2025 · 25/02/2025 08:31

You need to start rocking the boat I'm afraid

squishyarms · 25/02/2025 08:42

I have contacted the older DS's school but haven't heard anything back but from what I've heard they are pretty good with the pastoral side. I'll chase them today.

DS2 had been fairly ok until the last few days. He was so upset yesterday and angry with me that I will contact school today.

Rocking the boat means facing up to all this. I wanted to do it step by step. But it doesn't seem like it's going to work that

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Flyingcarpetintraining · 25/02/2025 08:47

I’d consider speaking to a solicitor about parental alienation (on his part). Courts don’t look on that favourably at all, and it won’t be doing the children any favours.

Even if he’s not specifically saying anything to the children, if they see him moping round and acting like the injured party they’re likely to feel protective of him and they’re not old enough to understand the intricacies of adult relationships. Things will be black and white to them at the moment.

I would try talking to them and give a bit more detail in an age appropriate way and without blaming anyone - I think someone earlier in the thread had some good suggestions. Their Dad is upset because he didn’t want the change but it was making both of you upset being together (albeit less obviously).

You sound like a really strong person, and a fantastic mother. Things have a way of coming right - you just have to get the shit bits out of the way first. But you’ve got this! Read back on this thread whenever you have a wobble or crisis of confidence.

Polkad · 25/02/2025 08:54

Have you contacted Women's aid?
He is continuing to abuse you.
Of course it is very hard but you need to stay strong and get advice.

It is none of his business if you go to a solicitor.
Of course he doesn't want you supported.
Stop telling him YOUR business.

Get a solicitor recommendation from Women's aid as you are being abused and so are the children.
You cannot go back.
It will only be much worse.

squishyarms · 25/02/2025 09:06

I just spoke to him about how we go forwards with the DC and helping them through it and all he can say is

'Stop blaming me'

'I wasn't the one who was texting someone else'

'I wasn't the one who decided to leave'

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squishyarms · 25/02/2025 09:12

Me 'how can we help the DC process this and feel better going forward'

Him 'I don't know, you wanted this, you work it out'

He's being a complete idiot. I've suggest family counselling and he's saying he doesn't think the DC would go.

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goody2shooz · 25/02/2025 09:37

@squishyarms fine then - if he won’t go to family therapy you just take the dc and go without him. Don’t wait for him and his self pity. The kids need help sooner rather than later, and he’s a big part of the problem

Everintroverte · 25/02/2025 10:41

squishyarms · 25/02/2025 09:12

Me 'how can we help the DC process this and feel better going forward'

Him 'I don't know, you wanted this, you work it out'

He's being a complete idiot. I've suggest family counselling and he's saying he doesn't think the DC would go.

He is being a complete idiot.
You have tried to make it work post emotional affair and he hasn't. Now you have left him, not the children.
At the moment he isnt able to separate the children's relationship with you from his own, so is using them to hurt you. Previous suggestions of family counselling, without him if he won't come, and solicitor re parental alienation are good ones.
He will be deliberately difficult to block and hurt you, keep taking your steps forward.

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