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Really confused about everything

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squishyarms · 17/04/2024 09:07

This is going to be long so apologies in advance!

I have been married over 10 and together with my H for 20 years. We are both early 40's. We run a business together and spend most of our time together or dealing with work issues, or talking about work. We have two DS's 11&9.

The business was DH's first but once both kids were at school full time I've been heavily involved and taken more of a front seat - customer facing. So I'm basically the face of it now. Although everyone knows he's there he does the majority of school pick ups as I'm at work the majority of the time.

During and post Covid my DH suffered with some serious depression and anxiety, which had been bubbling away for years but Covid, a family bereavement and a house move exacerbated everything and we were in a total mess. I was living on eggshells, kids were nervous around him and living on screens because I was always at work and he was often in bed. I finally went with him to the GP and he was given the meds he needed and started to recover. at this point I felt like a carer more than a partner.

I did a terrible thing when he was at rock bottom. I met someone and fell in love with them. They were like a ray of sunshine in my stressful miserable life and showed me what it was like to talk openly and they listened to me. Nothing physically happened but we spent hours texting and chatting at work and whilst I was out and about at cash and carry, cleaning etc. I had no idea but as my DH got better mentally - while he wasn't well he couldn't help it but he literally checked out of me and my life - he started to notice me on my phone more and making an effort with my appearance.

He confronted me one day and I admitted I had been talking to this person and that I felt like I loved them. Obviously he hit the roof, we had some horrific weeks/months. He got a ladder and a rope and took it to the bottom of the garden where we have a huge tree and threatened to hang himself, he smashed plates and cups and called me all sorts of horrible things. I almost said nothing during these times, I didn't have the right words, I wanted to end things. But he said the kids would hate me, I would ruin their lives, I would have to move out (we have a big mortgage), I wouldn't have a job, the whole community would hate me because I've cheated.

So I stopped talking to the other person, both I and they are heartbroken. But I can't do that to my children.

This has been since before Christmas and I can't move forward. DH drinks and vapes too much, but he says these are the things that calm him down from the stress I've caused him.

I'm miserable but he is right, I'd had nowhere to live, no job if I left, so we are stuck in this daily cycle of being pleasant to each other, which we are actually really good at, we do have a lot of the same values and we work together as a team for the kids. I have stopped having sex with him, I realised I was only doing it for him. I never actually felt the urge to do it, I just agreed when he wanted and although it was fine when we did it I was nearly always thinking about this other person.

Now he just gives me the ick, the vaping - he does it in bed and in the kitchen and all over the house. I can't ask him to stop as it's my fault he started. And when he's pissed and half asleep on the sofa he doesn't even know he's doing it but he picks his nose and eats it.

I don't even know what I'm asking. But I'm so miserable

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squishyarms · 22/10/2024 20:38

I hope he can do the same as you have done. 🙏🏼

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squishyarms · 22/10/2024 20:39

Baby3or · 22/10/2024 14:40

My husband has had an affair. I left him
for a bit (we are trying to make it work) but I did look at our children and even though I wanted to tell them one day the truth - I decided it’s not for them to know. It would damage their view of things. Maybe when they are like 40 yo.

hopefully your husband said that in the heat of the moment and with some reflection realises it’s not for their best

I hope he can do the same as you have done. 🙏🏼

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squishyarms · 23/10/2024 08:06

Going to do it today
Have a free morning so hopefully I'll get the words out.
Writing it here to keep myself accountable otherwise another 6months of misery will pass and I'll be in the same position.

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goody2shooz · 23/10/2024 08:16

@squishyarms do NOT let him browbeat you. This is not all on you. Hope you’ve made that solicitor’s appointment?

squishyarms · 23/10/2024 08:54

I've reworded the message I put on the thread yesterday and I'll send it to him before I go to work and see him. So lots of my words are already out before I get spoken over and clam up.

Haven't booked a solicitor yet. Will do it later today.

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Scalloplight · 23/10/2024 09:03

You are not a bad person for having feelings for someone else, you ended it and did the right thing in the end.

Your actions don’t mean forever punishment and staying with an emotionally abusive husband - he has also done shit to you but you seem to blame yourself for everything.

You deserve to be happy, you don’t need permission. Think about it as short term shit show for longer term peace and happiness. You’re worth it and it will be ok, it’ll defo be better than this.

Opentooffers · 23/10/2024 09:50

About time you see a solicitor seeing as you said you were done 6 months ago and nothing has changed. It's all fear of the unknown causing your procrastination. It's making you latch on to the BS he's feeding you. He's telling you it's your fault, and you are lapping it up. Well you have been solo holding this relationship together for years, and he has caused this by his behaviour. It's not your fault that he has depression and vices. Like he said, seeing as he's so hot on choice, he can choose not to vape and drink. He didn't chose depression, but he did choose to not do anything about it for years, until you made him see the GP.
The guilt is not for you to hold on your own, he was the instigator of events. You didn't even have a physical affair, and it takes a lot of willpower not to under the circumstances. The crux of the problem is he is not accepting his huge part in this, and heaped the blame all on you. You seem to have totally capitulated and accepted the blame.
At some point it's better to stop playing the blame game and just deal with the situation. Nobody gets less in a divorce because of any actions, it's not about what anyone has done. It's about splitting the assets fairly. You have a duty to claim what is yours, and doing best by your DC's. Better to split now before GCSE's and A levels become a factor. Do not move into the flat and leave the DC's with a depressed father full time, that will not be good for them at all.
Gather the paperwork for the business - which regardless of who had what to start with, you have put more into it and are entitled to at least half of it, if not more ( the shares may help) . Saying he can have it all is just because you've accepted a ridiculous amount of blame and guilt just on his sayso while he accepts nothing. Focus on getting as much out of this as you can for the sake of your DC's, you have a responsibility to do it for them.
Probably best at some point to sell the house and the flat, get half the equity from both, with an aim to set up a decent home for your DC's. Don't move out until you have a place that is big enough to house your DC's. You don't want to be making him look like main carer by hoping out on your own. Neither of you will be able to move on until you have separate homes and have the DC's with you at specific times, rather than visiting - a truly awful idea.

squishyarms · 23/10/2024 11:29

I spoke to him and he says he hates me but he won't speak about me negatively in front of the kids.

It was a lot of talk about how is going to live with this for the rest of his life. How else was he supposed to behave after all I have put him through. I'm not a nice person and I'm false. Everyone thinks I'm something I'm not and he knows the real me.

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goody2shooz · 23/10/2024 11:51

@squishyarms you REALLY need to stop listening to him, he is poisoning you. Stop right now.
He is blaming you for everything and it’s totally unfair. Do not leave your kids with him and move out, see a solicitor and get the ball rolling.

YellowRoom · 23/10/2024 12:15

Well that's big of him.

Start your planning for a better life for you. Stop listening to him, he's not a nice person, will never see your pov and he's sapping your energy. Grey rock and try and let his words wash over you. Stop valuing the words of someone who us horrible to you.

Polkad · 23/10/2024 12:21

He's a nasty vicious prick that has been abusive for years.
Your friendship was the perfect excuse for him to behave badly and abuse you further.

You owe him NOTHING.
Absolutely NOTHING.

Stop listening to his bile.
You have wasted enough years on him.

Do not allow him to control you with his threats to bad mouth you.

Tell him crack on with his bile to other people.
YOU don't care, you just want to be as far as fxxk away from HIM.

Stop covering for him, YOU tell people the truth of what you have endured.

StopTalkingPlease · 23/10/2024 12:50

Stop discussing this with him and take steps to move out. You don’t need his approval or agreement.

squishyarms · 23/10/2024 13:45

I don't have access to our joint account, I never have. Just get some money each month from the business and the child benefit. Ffs

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goody2shooz · 23/10/2024 13:49

@squishyarms so you can add financial abuse to the list of reasons to divorce him. He’s really done a number on you.

dijonketchup · 23/10/2024 14:00

I’m so sorry you’re dealing with this shitshow. Remember, you can deal with being the “bad guy” in his eyes. You know it’s worth it for what’s waiting on the other side for you.

I heard someone say they wouldn’t leave because of how appalling an ex and coparent their current DH would be. IMO the worse he behaves now, the more vindicated you are in your decision to leave! Now, if he dealt with the split maturely and did everything supportive you could have hoped for, maybe you’d regret it, but I think that’s unlikely…!

FFSWherearemyglasses · 23/10/2024 17:15

squishyarms · 23/10/2024 13:45

I don't have access to our joint account, I never have. Just get some money each month from the business and the child benefit. Ffs

Get yourself down to the local branch tomorrow and sort that out OP before he clears it out …. And ask for a statement for the last 12 months 🥺
Sending you strength (but I think you’re going to be just fine 💪🏻) xxx

squishyarms · 23/10/2024 18:02

If he did somehow hide some money surely I would still be entitled to half of it?

He has been civil to me in front of the kids this evening at least.

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Polkad · 23/10/2024 18:47

OP,
He has been financially abusing you.
You need to wake up to this fact.
Get a recommendation for a good divorce solicitor.
A forensic accountant will uncover any efforts to hide money.
Be ruthless but keep your plans close to your chest.
Keep posting.

squishyarms · 23/10/2024 19:57

A few times over the years I mentioned having access to the joint account and the business accounts but it's never really happened. I never really thought much of it until now. Although over the years when I've run out of money in the month - birthdays and expensive trips for example I've had to ask for money to be transferred. Writing it down it does seem silly. But I was told I wasn't sensible with money as I didn't have much savings when we got together - I was 23 with a mortgage and after bills spent every other penny I had on having fun. So I just let him deal with it.

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Polkad · 23/10/2024 23:04

So you run the business, which is largely in your name?
You work the majority of hours in this business?
But are not allowed access to family or business band accounts?

Can you seriously not see that this is straight up financial abuse?

It is very important you spell this out to your solicitor.
Ask Women's aid for advice, having told them the above.

This is Coercive control, which is a crime.
Educate yourself on the crime of Coercive control.
It will help clear your confusion.

notatinydancer · 23/10/2024 23:37

@squishyarms what happened to the property you had before you met him ?

squishyarms · 24/10/2024 07:29

notatinydancer · 23/10/2024 23:37

@squishyarms what happened to the property you had before you met him ?

Sold it to buy our first home together. We both had around the same amount of money to put into it

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squishyarms · 24/10/2024 07:29

Polkad · 23/10/2024 23:04

So you run the business, which is largely in your name?
You work the majority of hours in this business?
But are not allowed access to family or business band accounts?

Can you seriously not see that this is straight up financial abuse?

It is very important you spell this out to your solicitor.
Ask Women's aid for advice, having told them the above.

This is Coercive control, which is a crime.
Educate yourself on the crime of Coercive control.
It will help clear your confusion.

He will say I only had to ask.....

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squishyarms · 24/10/2024 07:35

Went to bed early and he send me all of these links:

www.facebook.com/share/r/ep3kWC7JVEhfBYPK/?mibextid=UalRPS

www.facebook.com/share/r/A96XCyueoW8eRcC3/?mibextid=UalRPS

www.facebook.com/share/r/XRYFMfi3rpt5QQ5y/?mibextid=UalRPS

I haven't replied to him.

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goody2shooz · 24/10/2024 07:38

@squishyarms the important thing to remember is that what HE says is not necessarily so. He lies, twists, distorts and manipulates. As previously said, he is poisonous so don’t believe what he says. Speak to a lawyer and Womens Aid, read Lundy Bancroft’s book ‘why does he do that’. Your eyes will be opened!

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