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H can’t stop arguing with me about my dc. Time to go?

179 replies

captaincookiecrisp · 05/04/2024 15:28

I’ve been with my ‘d’H for 8 years. Married for 5 of those. I had a 3yo child already when we met (no dad involved) and in hindsight we moved too fast but I was pretty young and lonely and I didn’t know better. Well I was probably a bit selfish. he met dc within a few months, moved in within a year and we got engaged after that. He didn’t have any experience with little kids at all and I think he did do his best but there were incidents of him being too strict with dc from as early as year 1, I remember him saying to me he didn’t know if he could be with someone if he wasn’t also allowed to parent their kid. (This was well before we were married.) I remember nasty arguments he would have with me in front of dc from the first or second year and I’d be really upset as I loved him and was scared to be alone. I’m sad to say I put myself first. It’s been a constant theme, what will happen is dc will do something (either an accident like falling off a chair and he will tell her off for messing, or she might be grumpy and he will punish her too harshly or say something harsh) and I will step in if dc is upset, to defend. Then he will get extremely angry with me and shout at me, storm off, disappear for the rest of the day, Etc all in front of dc. He says I don’t co parent with him and I don’t ‘listen’ but when I try to explain it’s my instinct to protect dc he just won’t hear it. Also in terms of co parenting I do all homework, shower, bedtime story, taking her out, organising her life, buying her stuff…. He doesn’t bother to do that. He just wants to ‘co parent’ via discipline.

dc is a good kid, shy and kind, no behaviour issues.

It’s happened a few times in the past month - he nearly left our holiday recently because of it - and last night when she was grumpy/tired after we ate out and we’re going to get some cake he was like ‘you don’t deserve cake’ and said she was ‘bad’ which made her cry. I hugged her and asked him not to say that as it wasnt fair. He then called us both ‘ridiculous’ and stormed off. She asked me if it was her fault. She kept saying ‘he’s in a mood’ when we got home. He took me in the next room to shout at me when she was watching tv then told me he wants a divorce. That it’s my fault and that he acts the way he does because I make him. He said he was going to take all our joint money as ‘he made most of it’ (I work ft but much lower paid) and that he won’t leave so we will have to. I asked him if he could stop doing this around dc and he said he couldn’t. He said it’s a ‘personality clash’.

Then after I got incredibly upset, hours later, he said he ‘can’t’ do that to dc so he will stay for her and ‘pretend he’s died’ as his opinions clearly don’t matter.

why is it like this? Ironically he has been pushing me to have more dc for ages but when he acts like this around mine I just shut down. He is volatile and can’t help moods and sulks and he doesn’t care how it harms dc.

what do I do? Is it my fault? I literally have no idea anymore. I hate to see dc upset and harshly/unfairly treated. I can’t help protecting them. I can’t just bite my tongue and talk about it later when it’s like that. I want dc to know someone has their back.

OP posts:
MsDogLady · 06/04/2024 16:38

It does not feel normal how anxious he makes me.

This is how narcissistic abusers operate, @captaincookiecrisp. They thrive on manipulating/destabilizing their targets and blaming them for their sociopathic behavior.

This nasty piece of work makes you feel highly anxious, but he makes your child feel even worse. How sickening is that.

And yes, accessing IC for yourself is an excellent idea, as is finding a counselor who specializes in trauma in children for DD.

FineWordsButterNoParsnips · 06/04/2024 16:44

You only need to communicate with the child abuser about the divorce. His words are irrelevant. Don't provide him with an audience, or a debate.
Your only focus should be on your abused child.

captaincookiecrisp · 06/04/2024 17:35

Anyone who has been in a similar situation - Is it legal to transfer half the money from our joint accounts without asking him, is this likely to get me into trouble down the line in the divorce? I am scared he will take it almost all and I won’t have rent money etc.

OP posts:
easilydistracted1 · 06/04/2024 18:35

@captaincookiecrisp I urged you to get out quickly because I have a lot of professional experience and the risk is worrying me and more so given he's losing his grip. I also grew up around domestic abuse throughout my childhood and have had to do a ton of work to get to the point of being a happy healthy functioning adult.

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 06/04/2024 19:28

it's a joint account ! joint means more than one person.

you know that is exactly what he will do to you !!!

and when it comes to splitting monies etc. upon divorce, you can truthfully say he can have everything in the joint account as you have already had your share.

however...

be careful that you are not putting anything into that joint account

and realise the minute you do take your half

he will be furious !

make sure you are safe !!!!!!

I so hope you are telling your family everything this weekend and that they support you.

bombastix · 07/04/2024 09:10

captaincookiecrisp · 06/04/2024 15:43

I just had a nasty message from H saying that I “can’t coparent” because of my “history” (I had a bad childhood and some failed relationships before having dc.. never mind that he had an abusive childhood himself with an alcoholic parent.) He said I’m a “difficult person”. And that he wasn’t “like this” before he met me. And I have “ground him into the dirt”, like I am the whole problem. He doesn’t see any of his behaviour toward dc as wrong and he wasn’t even responsible for it. He knows how to make me feel guilty and upset and for a moment I’m like, have I got this all wrong. But then my family and this thread say his behaviour is unacceptable which is how I’ve felt for a long time. I feel like I’m in quicksand mentally. He is so nasty. It’s always scared me too much to leave in the past. Should I get some therapy, or something? It does not feel normal how anxious he makes me.

I think you need to take a step back and see this for what it is, MANIPULATION.

You want to leave and there is now something wrong with you? There is not. This man is losing a cushy number where he gets to berate you and an 11 year old girl which is well up there on his list of woman hating activities. Your husband sounds like a pig. Read his message like this "you had struggles with relationships and I thought I had ground you down. Now clearly not enough as you want to leave. I am a self interested bully who would rather not find a new victim and I really don't want to go to the effort of doing it. I want you to forget all about this so I will again attack your self worth and your daughter to keep you in line. I will be busy spreading all kinds of lies about you to others along the lines that you are mentally fragile so that you shut up or are pitied. My greatest fear is that you get external help and discuss what I do to you and your daughter in the house as I know it is wrong and I will be shamed. I cannot bear any shame or responsibility because of the way I was raised and so I put it on you. Shut up."

See your GP and get angry. This man will do a number on you. Call friends and family now. Tell them what is happening, and remember the above. He is desperate and you have the power. Don't play his crappy game.

Sceptical123 · 07/04/2024 09:32

captaincookiecrisp · 05/04/2024 15:28

I’ve been with my ‘d’H for 8 years. Married for 5 of those. I had a 3yo child already when we met (no dad involved) and in hindsight we moved too fast but I was pretty young and lonely and I didn’t know better. Well I was probably a bit selfish. he met dc within a few months, moved in within a year and we got engaged after that. He didn’t have any experience with little kids at all and I think he did do his best but there were incidents of him being too strict with dc from as early as year 1, I remember him saying to me he didn’t know if he could be with someone if he wasn’t also allowed to parent their kid. (This was well before we were married.) I remember nasty arguments he would have with me in front of dc from the first or second year and I’d be really upset as I loved him and was scared to be alone. I’m sad to say I put myself first. It’s been a constant theme, what will happen is dc will do something (either an accident like falling off a chair and he will tell her off for messing, or she might be grumpy and he will punish her too harshly or say something harsh) and I will step in if dc is upset, to defend. Then he will get extremely angry with me and shout at me, storm off, disappear for the rest of the day, Etc all in front of dc. He says I don’t co parent with him and I don’t ‘listen’ but when I try to explain it’s my instinct to protect dc he just won’t hear it. Also in terms of co parenting I do all homework, shower, bedtime story, taking her out, organising her life, buying her stuff…. He doesn’t bother to do that. He just wants to ‘co parent’ via discipline.

dc is a good kid, shy and kind, no behaviour issues.

It’s happened a few times in the past month - he nearly left our holiday recently because of it - and last night when she was grumpy/tired after we ate out and we’re going to get some cake he was like ‘you don’t deserve cake’ and said she was ‘bad’ which made her cry. I hugged her and asked him not to say that as it wasnt fair. He then called us both ‘ridiculous’ and stormed off. She asked me if it was her fault. She kept saying ‘he’s in a mood’ when we got home. He took me in the next room to shout at me when she was watching tv then told me he wants a divorce. That it’s my fault and that he acts the way he does because I make him. He said he was going to take all our joint money as ‘he made most of it’ (I work ft but much lower paid) and that he won’t leave so we will have to. I asked him if he could stop doing this around dc and he said he couldn’t. He said it’s a ‘personality clash’.

Then after I got incredibly upset, hours later, he said he ‘can’t’ do that to dc so he will stay for her and ‘pretend he’s died’ as his opinions clearly don’t matter.

why is it like this? Ironically he has been pushing me to have more dc for ages but when he acts like this around mine I just shut down. He is volatile and can’t help moods and sulks and he doesn’t care how it harms dc.

what do I do? Is it my fault? I literally have no idea anymore. I hate to see dc upset and harshly/unfairly treated. I can’t help protecting them. I can’t just bite my tongue and talk about it later when it’s like that. I want dc to know someone has their back.

I’m not defending but when your DC falls off the chair what were they doing? Were they leaning to get something and overbalanced or were they rocking or leaning back when asked not to? You’ve mentioned twice they get grumpy - in what way? Does your husband think they are being rude and disrespectful?

It’s awkward when you have 2 different parenting styles and as you pointed out he has little or no experience with strict parents as a role model and he will see it as having no say in bringing up his SC. He does sound melodramatic though. Coming back for your DC but pretending he’s dead… was he going to go full bedsheet and eyeholes..? 👻😂

Pumpkinpie1 · 07/04/2024 09:55

As it’s money from a joint account it is very sensible to transfer half the money into an account in your name only.
You need to protect your child and yourself & he’s behaving irrationally.

CONFIDE in someone you can trust , don’t be afraid to ask for support OP x We all need a shoulder to lean on sometimes.

Blaming yourself is unhelpful. Today is a new day , a new chalk, focus on that

FineWordsButterNoParsnips · 07/04/2024 09:55

@Sceptical123 child abuse is not funny. And there is no excuse for it. Did you not read the thread?

Pumpkinpie1 · 07/04/2024 09:56

Challenge not chalk predictive text has a sense of humour

CheeryPye · 07/04/2024 10:06

captaincookiecrisp · 06/04/2024 17:35

Anyone who has been in a similar situation - Is it legal to transfer half the money from our joint accounts without asking him, is this likely to get me into trouble down the line in the divorce? I am scared he will take it almost all and I won’t have rent money etc.

You need a solicitor to answer that question, not random strangers on the internet. Don't do anything that can be used against you.

Sceptical123 · 07/04/2024 10:24

FineWordsButterNoParsnips · 07/04/2024 09:55

@Sceptical123 child abuse is not funny. And there is no excuse for it. Did you not read the thread?

What is the child abuse? OP said he is strict. He says things that upset her DC. What things? None of us were there. I said in my PP I wasn’t defending him.

Some children don’t like it if you tell them to stop doing something. They can get very upset if you are irritated at having to repeatedly ask them not to do something. We don’t know any of the context.

There is a difference between screaming in a child’s face and grabbing them to repeatedly asking them to stop standing on/rocking back on their chair which is dangerous and them ignoring you. Him saying something that has upset her could be him telling her off. Do you know what was said?

My cousin is very protective of her DC and won’t accept any partner telling her off or calling her out on her behaviour. It sounds like the guy is melodramatic as I said and not very patient.

There is a line between telling kids off and child abuse

FineWordsButterNoParsnips · 07/04/2024 10:32

@Sceptical123 as I said, read the thread, or at least the OPs replies.

Secondstart1001 · 07/04/2024 10:49

@Sceptical123 who said anything about child rocking on a chair? Why are you using an example that isn’t the reality of this thread? At least read the Ops responses!

IncognitoMam · 07/04/2024 11:32

I'm pretty sure you can take half the money from a joint account.

captaincookiecrisp · 07/04/2024 18:22

So I guess, examples of times he would tell off dd and I would intervene then we would argue or he would sulk even if I refused to argue-

When she pressed the wrong button when they’re gaming

when she was excited at the station on holiday and caught his face with her hand by accident

When she was eating her dinner on the high kitchen stools and leaned back and fell back (she hurt herself). This was in front of 2 of her friends. She was very embarrassed

When she cried about a sad film we were watching about children dying and he said she was being melodramatic

when they were swimming together and she held on to him too hard

when confided something in me (turned out to be bullying related and I had to call the school)- and didn’t want to tell him

when she has tv on too loud

when she doesn’t eat all her dinner

I guess it all just seems like the annoyance/ups and downs of having kids. But even if we don’t agree, it doesn’t feel like a proportionate response is to yell/swear at/insult me/us then storm off or threaten to leave. I just can’t do it anymore. Maybe he would be better for parenting with someone else. Yes I’m protective of dc bit partly because she’s witnessed a lot of arguing and it’s probably affected her confidence. Also she’s never known her bio dad and if H leaves all she has is me. But H can’t understand that bond I guess. I’m not saying it’s all his fault. I wish he were more mature and it were less wrapped up in our relationship but he isn’t objective about parenting, he uses it as a stick to beat me with.

we are happy here at my family’s and I am seeing the lawyer tomorrow on zoom. I cannot thank the thread enough for the clarity. It’s made me act and think in a way I haven’t before. I had a talk with dd yesterday about how it’s not right for grownups to be mean to each other like that and it’s not her fault and she’s not a bad kid. She understands that it can’t carry on.

OP posts:
Bobbotgegrinch · 07/04/2024 18:29

captaincookiecrisp · 07/04/2024 18:22

So I guess, examples of times he would tell off dd and I would intervene then we would argue or he would sulk even if I refused to argue-

When she pressed the wrong button when they’re gaming

when she was excited at the station on holiday and caught his face with her hand by accident

When she was eating her dinner on the high kitchen stools and leaned back and fell back (she hurt herself). This was in front of 2 of her friends. She was very embarrassed

When she cried about a sad film we were watching about children dying and he said she was being melodramatic

when they were swimming together and she held on to him too hard

when confided something in me (turned out to be bullying related and I had to call the school)- and didn’t want to tell him

when she has tv on too loud

when she doesn’t eat all her dinner

I guess it all just seems like the annoyance/ups and downs of having kids. But even if we don’t agree, it doesn’t feel like a proportionate response is to yell/swear at/insult me/us then storm off or threaten to leave. I just can’t do it anymore. Maybe he would be better for parenting with someone else. Yes I’m protective of dc bit partly because she’s witnessed a lot of arguing and it’s probably affected her confidence. Also she’s never known her bio dad and if H leaves all she has is me. But H can’t understand that bond I guess. I’m not saying it’s all his fault. I wish he were more mature and it were less wrapped up in our relationship but he isn’t objective about parenting, he uses it as a stick to beat me with.

we are happy here at my family’s and I am seeing the lawyer tomorrow on zoom. I cannot thank the thread enough for the clarity. It’s made me act and think in a way I haven’t before. I had a talk with dd yesterday about how it’s not right for grownups to be mean to each other like that and it’s not her fault and she’s not a bad kid. She understands that it can’t carry on.

Edited

Edit: Didn't read the fucking thread.

captaincookiecrisp · 07/04/2024 18:29

@Bobbotgegrinch rtft - I left the other day.

OP posts:
Bobbotgegrinch · 07/04/2024 18:31

captaincookiecrisp · 07/04/2024 18:29

@Bobbotgegrinch rtft - I left the other day.

Oh, shit, sorry. My mistake, got you mixed up with another similar thread.

Aknifewith16blades · 07/04/2024 18:47

OP, this is emotional abuse. He isn't allowing her (or you) to have boundaries or opinions, to have feelings or set limits. I don't like this man and I don't like how he's treating you.

Talk to Women's Aid and get help on how to leave safely, and think about doing the Freedom Course or similar to support you in keeping you and your daughter safe in the future. She might also benefit from support.

You know this isn't right; find a way for you both to be happy and safe.

Iaskedyouthrice · 07/04/2024 18:58

we are happy here at my family’s and I am seeing the lawyer tomorrow on zoom. I cannot thank the thread enough for the clarity. It’s made me act and think in a way I haven’t before. I had a talk with dd yesterday about how it’s not right for grownups to be mean to each other like that and it’s not her fault and she’s not a bad kid. She understands that it can’t carry on.

All your daughter needs is you. A strong, confident, happy woman raises a strong, confident, happy child.
Get out, get you both in to therapy and you will flourish. Or if therapy is unrealistic due to waiting lists, cost etc then just relax with each other. Watch films, go for walks, eat what you want when you want without that man casting a shadow over the both of you.
Try to get over the fear and get excited! This is the start of an amazing new life for the both of you. You can do this.
Edited to say, well done for the above I quoted! She sounds like an amazing girl.

MyWhoHa · 07/04/2024 22:31

Reading your posts has made me really angry. Why aren't you putting your daughter first ? Instead you are making excuses for him. You selfish, selfish woman.

TheFormidableMrsC · 07/04/2024 22:50

MyWhoHa · 07/04/2024 22:31

Reading your posts has made me really angry. Why aren't you putting your daughter first ? Instead you are making excuses for him. You selfish, selfish woman.

She's left and gone to family. Read all the posts maybe?

captaincookiecrisp · 07/04/2024 22:53

How am I making excuses for him? I also left. Rtft before leaping on to judge a stranger

OP posts:
OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 07/04/2024 22:57

actually... you never confirmed you were or had left him, what you had said was
' and I am planning to drive to visit family tomorrow for the weekend with dc. '

I am guessing that since arriving at the family's home and confiding in family / spoken to them at length that you will not be returning to him after the weekend...

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