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H can’t stop arguing with me about my dc. Time to go?

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captaincookiecrisp · 05/04/2024 15:28

I’ve been with my ‘d’H for 8 years. Married for 5 of those. I had a 3yo child already when we met (no dad involved) and in hindsight we moved too fast but I was pretty young and lonely and I didn’t know better. Well I was probably a bit selfish. he met dc within a few months, moved in within a year and we got engaged after that. He didn’t have any experience with little kids at all and I think he did do his best but there were incidents of him being too strict with dc from as early as year 1, I remember him saying to me he didn’t know if he could be with someone if he wasn’t also allowed to parent their kid. (This was well before we were married.) I remember nasty arguments he would have with me in front of dc from the first or second year and I’d be really upset as I loved him and was scared to be alone. I’m sad to say I put myself first. It’s been a constant theme, what will happen is dc will do something (either an accident like falling off a chair and he will tell her off for messing, or she might be grumpy and he will punish her too harshly or say something harsh) and I will step in if dc is upset, to defend. Then he will get extremely angry with me and shout at me, storm off, disappear for the rest of the day, Etc all in front of dc. He says I don’t co parent with him and I don’t ‘listen’ but when I try to explain it’s my instinct to protect dc he just won’t hear it. Also in terms of co parenting I do all homework, shower, bedtime story, taking her out, organising her life, buying her stuff…. He doesn’t bother to do that. He just wants to ‘co parent’ via discipline.

dc is a good kid, shy and kind, no behaviour issues.

It’s happened a few times in the past month - he nearly left our holiday recently because of it - and last night when she was grumpy/tired after we ate out and we’re going to get some cake he was like ‘you don’t deserve cake’ and said she was ‘bad’ which made her cry. I hugged her and asked him not to say that as it wasnt fair. He then called us both ‘ridiculous’ and stormed off. She asked me if it was her fault. She kept saying ‘he’s in a mood’ when we got home. He took me in the next room to shout at me when she was watching tv then told me he wants a divorce. That it’s my fault and that he acts the way he does because I make him. He said he was going to take all our joint money as ‘he made most of it’ (I work ft but much lower paid) and that he won’t leave so we will have to. I asked him if he could stop doing this around dc and he said he couldn’t. He said it’s a ‘personality clash’.

Then after I got incredibly upset, hours later, he said he ‘can’t’ do that to dc so he will stay for her and ‘pretend he’s died’ as his opinions clearly don’t matter.

why is it like this? Ironically he has been pushing me to have more dc for ages but when he acts like this around mine I just shut down. He is volatile and can’t help moods and sulks and he doesn’t care how it harms dc.

what do I do? Is it my fault? I literally have no idea anymore. I hate to see dc upset and harshly/unfairly treated. I can’t help protecting them. I can’t just bite my tongue and talk about it later when it’s like that. I want dc to know someone has their back.

OP posts:
EG94 · 05/04/2024 17:41

WhatWouldYouDo33 · 05/04/2024 17:36

I agree with your post apart from one thing. Calling a child “bad” is not ok. Maybe she did something naughty but OP says she is nice and well behaved. No child is “bad”.

Kids can be bad? Not sure why you’d say they can’t be?

My point is he didn’t say no cake for you because you were a horrible little shit. Then yea fair fucking play. But bad? That’s a chat for later surely.

Tbh this isn’t the point or the problem. He is emotionally manipulating and controlling her and this will only get worse initially for OP then yes her daughter will start getting it worse.

fucking out of order for him laughing at her when she’s crying tho. Men should not dismiss and invalidate women’s feelings even if that is a small child. That will fuck her up no doubt.

OP maybe another way to put it, take the advice you would give your daughter if she came to you with this problem in later life x

captaincookiecrisp · 05/04/2024 17:41

He does cook for her but that’s pretty much it he will do pickup or dropoff a couple days a week as well. He does provide very well for us. I wish he wanted to be more hands on with her. He mostly games.

OP posts:
mumofoneanddone82 · 05/04/2024 17:41

As a single mother this sounds my worst nightmare. I am dating but keep these two worlds separate. If you're asking this question you need to leave! He sounds a bully (even if he was the biological father I would be saying this)! Sorry to say but your daughter is a victim of your selfish decision making.

WhatWouldYouDo33 · 05/04/2024 17:46

captaincookiecrisp · 05/04/2024 17:41

He does cook for her but that’s pretty much it he will do pickup or dropoff a couple days a week as well. He does provide very well for us. I wish he wanted to be more hands on with her. He mostly games.

Stop defending him now. We have read enough. Protect your child, which is your first job in life and the most important you will ever have, and LEAVE.

he is a gamer, he swears, a bully, ridicules and bullies your child and shouts and sulks. He sounds like a piece of shit. Oh but he provides well. OP raise your standards FFS. Do you have friends or family?

pointythings · 05/04/2024 17:46

captaincookiecrisp · 05/04/2024 17:41

He does cook for her but that’s pretty much it he will do pickup or dropoff a couple days a week as well. He does provide very well for us. I wish he wanted to be more hands on with her. He mostly games.

Oh, of course he games. He gets to do what he wants, it's all about him and your DD is an inconvenience to him when she's just being a normal child.
I abhor the whole 'you must not undermine your partner' nonsense. If your other half is being harsh, unreasonable and unjust, they absolutely should be undermined. Otherwise children will learn that they do not have a parent who will stand up for them and keep them safe.

TheWildRumpyPumpus · 05/04/2024 17:47

You could leave this man tomorrow and never have to see him again as he has no rights to see DD. Why are you choosing to stay with someone who makes your daughter so unhappy and regularly has you sobbing?

SamW98 · 05/04/2024 17:48

Stop making excuses for him OP. You have already damaged your DD childhood by allowing her to be bullied and intimidated while you stand by the instigator.
You say in the first year or so you were already having arguments in front of your very young child which he refused to stop doing and yet you chose to marry this abusive creature.

You say in your OP you’ve been selfish and yes you have. Your child’s welfare and wellbeing comes before a man and it’s time you stepped up as a parent and put your daughter before a fucking bloke. NOW before her whole childhood is ruined because you chose dick over her.

KaitlynFairchild · 05/04/2024 17:49

Laughing at her distress and ridiculing her is emotional abuse. For her wellbeing, you must get her away from him as soon as possible, ideally with you if you choose to leave him.

WhatWouldYouDo33 · 05/04/2024 17:52

EG94 · 05/04/2024 17:41

Kids can be bad? Not sure why you’d say they can’t be?

My point is he didn’t say no cake for you because you were a horrible little shit. Then yea fair fucking play. But bad? That’s a chat for later surely.

Tbh this isn’t the point or the problem. He is emotionally manipulating and controlling her and this will only get worse initially for OP then yes her daughter will start getting it worse.

fucking out of order for him laughing at her when she’s crying tho. Men should not dismiss and invalidate women’s feelings even if that is a small child. That will fuck her up no doubt.

OP maybe another way to put it, take the advice you would give your daughter if she came to you with this problem in later life x

I disagree. Being bad is a label and nobody is bad. Kids can be naughty or make bad decisions but I would never ever call my kids bad. Do you call a kid stupid or lazy too?
a ton of articles out there on calling a child bad.

https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/bad-kid-or-behavior-and-how-it-shapes-a-childs-self-esteem-0730125/

https://graziadaily.co.uk/life/parenting/children-bad-school-behaviour/

'Bad' Kid or 'Bad' Behavior and How It Shapes a Child’s Self-Esteem - GoodTherapy.org Therapy Blog

Kelly Sanders, MFT - Naming specific behaviors that we feel are "bad" or "good" helps children understand how to meet our expectations while still maintaining a positive sense of self.

https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/bad-kid-or-behavior-and-how-it-shapes-a-childs-self-esteem-0730125/

Seaoftroubles · 05/04/2024 17:52

A 'sobbing mess' because he mentioned divorce? Yet he swears at you, ignores you for ages and is contemptuous towards you as well as ridiculing and bullying your daughter? Wake up OP, he's abusive! He is not going to get any better and you are sacrificing your daughter's happiness staying with him. Grow a backbone, put you daughter first and tell him to leave asap.

GrazingSheep · 05/04/2024 17:54

Is there any other adult in your child’s life who will advocate for her?

mumofoneanddone82 · 05/04/2024 17:56

@captaincookiecrisp sorry you sound really rather selfish the more I read! I suggest you put your daughter first and start providing for her. You've already put your needs before her for the past eight years, try and put her first starting from now and leave! Sounds like you've stayed with him because he's provided a a nice life for you.

EG94 · 05/04/2024 17:57

WhatWouldYouDo33 · 05/04/2024 17:52

I disagree. Being bad is a label and nobody is bad. Kids can be naughty or make bad decisions but I would never ever call my kids bad. Do you call a kid stupid or lazy too?
a ton of articles out there on calling a child bad.

https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/bad-kid-or-behavior-and-how-it-shapes-a-childs-self-esteem-0730125/

https://graziadaily.co.uk/life/parenting/children-bad-school-behaviour/

I have called my step kids lazy before yes because they are lazy sometimes it’s a fact? I have also called their behaviour bad too don’t think I’ve ever called them bad tho. Just like you didn’t have a bath for three days.. that’s bad. But yea don’t think I’ve called them bad. Plus I think mine are a bit older so language is different. Call my dogs bad almost hourly 😂

SamW98 · 05/04/2024 17:58

BetsyBobbin · 05/04/2024 16:25

Another case of dick before kids

Yep. I can’t believe the shit women tolerate fur the same of having any bloke on their bed.

Bad enough they let themselves be abused but when they bring children into it and make excuses then it’s selfish as fuck.

ZekeZeke · 05/04/2024 18:00

Your poor daughter.
You must know that you need to leave this bully. You need to confide in family/friends and get support.

Blessedbethefruitz · 05/04/2024 18:06

My mum didn't protect me from my violent bully step dad. We have very little relationship now and she barely sees her grandchildren, which she tries to guilt me for once a week. I could never trust her to protect them from him. Food for thought.

TheFormidableMrsC · 05/04/2024 18:06

captaincookiecrisp · 05/04/2024 17:41

He does cook for her but that’s pretty much it he will do pickup or dropoff a couple days a week as well. He does provide very well for us. I wish he wanted to be more hands on with her. He mostly games.

He doesn't want to me more hands on, he just wants to bully, belittle and control. And you're letting him. For Gods sake don't have a child with this man. I can't believe you said you were a sobbing mess when he mentioned divorce. I'd have got the champagne out. Why are you sobbing over an abusive man who treats your child like shit. See a solicitor is my advice.

Iaskedyouthrice · 05/04/2024 18:07

GrazingSheep · 05/04/2024 17:54

Is there any other adult in your child’s life who will advocate for her?

This. Can your dd go stay with your parents, a sibling? The abuse she is experiencing now will stay with her for the rest of her life you do know that don't you? If you wont leave him, your dd needs to stay somewhere where she is safe and loved. All children deserve that. The thought of her in your house is heartbreaking.

Iaskedyouthrice · 05/04/2024 18:10

How can you even look at him, nevermind sob at the thought of him leaving, when he hurts your child this way? I would want to rip his throat out.

ilovepixie · 05/04/2024 18:29

Time to stop being so selfish and put your daughter first for a change. Leave this abusive man before he does your daughter any more damage.

ilovepixie · 05/04/2024 18:31

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 05/04/2024 15:43

He is a weed-smoking argumentative bully who is horrible to your child, and you think it's your fault for ruining the marriage?! Wake up, OP. Why do you think should you listen to and back up a man who is like this?

How do you know he smokes weed?

Whatifthehokeycokey · 05/04/2024 18:40

He took me in the next room to shout at me when she was watching tv then told me he wants a divorce. That it’s my fault and that he acts the way he does because I make him.

He's shown you who he is. Clear half the joint account as soon as you can.

Zanatdy · 05/04/2024 18:43

Get this guy away from your daughter as without a doubt it will affect her long term, trust me I know.

Jl2014 · 05/04/2024 18:55

I don’t understand how you could let someone treat your daughter like this. Time to leave and actually protect her from this. You are partly responsible for the crap he is inflicting on her by staying in this situation.

You can do it. Might seem scary at first but you will be a lot happier not living in this situation.

Iheartmysmart · 05/04/2024 18:59

Your choice to stay with this abusive prick, and the way you’re defending him it seems that’s going to be your choice. But can your poor daughter go and live with someone who actually gives a shit about her because it’s clear you don’t.