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H can’t stop arguing with me about my dc. Time to go?

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captaincookiecrisp · 05/04/2024 15:28

I’ve been with my ‘d’H for 8 years. Married for 5 of those. I had a 3yo child already when we met (no dad involved) and in hindsight we moved too fast but I was pretty young and lonely and I didn’t know better. Well I was probably a bit selfish. he met dc within a few months, moved in within a year and we got engaged after that. He didn’t have any experience with little kids at all and I think he did do his best but there were incidents of him being too strict with dc from as early as year 1, I remember him saying to me he didn’t know if he could be with someone if he wasn’t also allowed to parent their kid. (This was well before we were married.) I remember nasty arguments he would have with me in front of dc from the first or second year and I’d be really upset as I loved him and was scared to be alone. I’m sad to say I put myself first. It’s been a constant theme, what will happen is dc will do something (either an accident like falling off a chair and he will tell her off for messing, or she might be grumpy and he will punish her too harshly or say something harsh) and I will step in if dc is upset, to defend. Then he will get extremely angry with me and shout at me, storm off, disappear for the rest of the day, Etc all in front of dc. He says I don’t co parent with him and I don’t ‘listen’ but when I try to explain it’s my instinct to protect dc he just won’t hear it. Also in terms of co parenting I do all homework, shower, bedtime story, taking her out, organising her life, buying her stuff…. He doesn’t bother to do that. He just wants to ‘co parent’ via discipline.

dc is a good kid, shy and kind, no behaviour issues.

It’s happened a few times in the past month - he nearly left our holiday recently because of it - and last night when she was grumpy/tired after we ate out and we’re going to get some cake he was like ‘you don’t deserve cake’ and said she was ‘bad’ which made her cry. I hugged her and asked him not to say that as it wasnt fair. He then called us both ‘ridiculous’ and stormed off. She asked me if it was her fault. She kept saying ‘he’s in a mood’ when we got home. He took me in the next room to shout at me when she was watching tv then told me he wants a divorce. That it’s my fault and that he acts the way he does because I make him. He said he was going to take all our joint money as ‘he made most of it’ (I work ft but much lower paid) and that he won’t leave so we will have to. I asked him if he could stop doing this around dc and he said he couldn’t. He said it’s a ‘personality clash’.

Then after I got incredibly upset, hours later, he said he ‘can’t’ do that to dc so he will stay for her and ‘pretend he’s died’ as his opinions clearly don’t matter.

why is it like this? Ironically he has been pushing me to have more dc for ages but when he acts like this around mine I just shut down. He is volatile and can’t help moods and sulks and he doesn’t care how it harms dc.

what do I do? Is it my fault? I literally have no idea anymore. I hate to see dc upset and harshly/unfairly treated. I can’t help protecting them. I can’t just bite my tongue and talk about it later when it’s like that. I want dc to know someone has their back.

OP posts:
adviceneeded1990 · 05/04/2024 22:51

My DH had a similar experience with his father and stepmother. He and my SIL are still in therapy at 41 and 48 all because his Dad couldn’t stand the thought of being alone and any woman was better than none.

Velvian · 05/04/2024 23:01

It is a really hard situation @captaincookiecrisp . Your H needs to realise that you are the head parent and it is his job to back you up and not undermine you. It is not for him to lay down the law on parenting.

I would be inclined to take him up on the offer of a divorce next time he threatens it. I would think carefully about it yourself tbh. You do not have to leave the house though, or accept him taking the joint savings. It may be worth thinking about moving 50% to your sole if separation is looking likely.

BunniesRUs · 05/04/2024 23:03

Just so you know OP I couldn't read your OP as its so sad and scary what you've put your child through. I hope you've heeded other people's advice to immediately leave and begin to repair the damage you've done to that innocent child.

captaincookiecrisp · 05/04/2024 23:06

I think I’m going to leave the thread as the responses have been a bit overwhelming if im honest. I don’t have much rl support nearby and I want to digest everything that’s been said here and im not saying anyone is wrong or too harsh but right now it’s a little upsetting and I need to focus on making it right. I made an appointment for a solicitor consutlation next week and I am
planning to drive to visit family tomorrow for the weekend with dc.
thanks for the replies.

OP posts:
StSwithinsDay · 05/04/2024 23:08

Glad you are taking action. For your daughter's sake I hope you follow it through.

TheFormidableMrsC · 05/04/2024 23:11

captaincookiecrisp · 05/04/2024 23:06

I think I’m going to leave the thread as the responses have been a bit overwhelming if im honest. I don’t have much rl support nearby and I want to digest everything that’s been said here and im not saying anyone is wrong or too harsh but right now it’s a little upsetting and I need to focus on making it right. I made an appointment for a solicitor consutlation next week and I am
planning to drive to visit family tomorrow for the weekend with dc.
thanks for the replies.

I hope that you can take the advice here, you will get a lot of support if you need it. It has sometimes been harsh but a lot of us have experience of this and it's good that you've listened. Women's Aid is a good port of call too. Also Gingerbread. I hope you manage to find peace for you and your DD Flowers

IncognitoMam · 05/04/2024 23:12

@captaincookiecrisp best wishes to you and dd. You can always come back 💐

isthatmyage · 05/04/2024 23:15

OP wow just read this thread...WTAF....well done for seeing the need to move out really really quickly...your poor daughter...good luck tomorrow..please stay strong and re-read all these comments to support you xx good luck xx

Beatrixpotts · 05/04/2024 23:17

Good luck

Windmill34 · 05/04/2024 23:22

Do it for you and dc child 😃
you don’t need a man to make you happy (because your not really)
telling a child constantly she is bad leave a massive impact

SamW98 · 05/04/2024 23:26

OP a lot of us might sound harsh but sometimes a bit of tough love is needed to give a reality check.

It’s a good idea to get away with your daughter for a few days and start the ball rolling with a solicitor.

Stay strong and do the right thing for your daughter

Secondstart1001 · 05/04/2024 23:27

@captaincookiecrisp I’m sorry you don’t have much Rl support..but I am glad you are taking steps to put distance between you and him this weekend and also see a solicitor. Feel free if you want to DM me if you need someone to talk to, no judgement I will be happy to listen 💐

Pandora2109 · 05/04/2024 23:35

SamW98 · 05/04/2024 20:38

Me too. I’m horrified that so many women like the OP prioritise dick over their children and still keep making excuses for these abusive pricks

Crying because he asked for a divorce - it’s all me me me and no interest in her daughters well being. That poor girl, let down by every adult supposed to be caring about her.

Absolutely this!

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 05/04/2024 23:37

Hopefully you have got half of the money from the joint account, and you don't return to him after the weekend.

Your poor daughter has had to live with him and his behaviour for 3/4 of her life...

Houseplantmad · 05/04/2024 23:47

He upsets your daughter, and upsets you constantly. He’s an A grade prick. You need to leave for your daughter’s sake, if not your own.

Angelsrose · 06/04/2024 00:22

All the best op, I hope you and your dc find true happiness away from your abusive husband.

Aishah231 · 06/04/2024 07:31

Good luck OP. He's not a step parent. He does no parenting - he's just a bully. Your DD will be relieved he's gone.

Iaskedyouthrice · 06/04/2024 09:09

No one was wrong or harsh OP. We just feel horrified that your dd has had to endure this bullying campaign in her own home for 8 years. She's 11, I suggest you reach out to her school and see if they can offer any help. She definitely needs therapy. I'm afraid the damage will have been done. Her awful childhood will have already shaped who she will become. I feel so sorry for her.
Tell your family about the abuse when you stay with them. I hope you put this right.

FineWordsButterNoParsnips · 06/04/2024 09:22

Do re-read the replies until it sinks in. Plenty of us were your daughter, and still suffer the consequences of our mothers appalling choices decades later. Your kid will require trauma centred therapy, not just crappy counselling. You will need to ensure she doesn’t end up seeking out an abuser to date in future, since that’s what she’s been taught she is worth. It will take years to scratch the surface of even trying to repair what’s been done to her.

TheBottomsOfMyTrousersAreRolled · 06/04/2024 09:30

captaincookiecrisp · 05/04/2024 23:06

I think I’m going to leave the thread as the responses have been a bit overwhelming if im honest. I don’t have much rl support nearby and I want to digest everything that’s been said here and im not saying anyone is wrong or too harsh but right now it’s a little upsetting and I need to focus on making it right. I made an appointment for a solicitor consutlation next week and I am
planning to drive to visit family tomorrow for the weekend with dc.
thanks for the replies.

Stay there op. Or at least leave your daughter there. She deserved better than being abused in her home.

Yourusername3636 · 06/04/2024 09:50

Oh my goodness, I felt like I could have written part of this. It is just an awful situation, I am sorry your going through this. I have and older child from a previous relationship and 2 with partner I am currently trying to split from. He is wonderful in some ways with my eldest, but will also belittle her, blame her, shout and I always feel like I need to step on - which causes huge confrontations about why I don't support him etc etc. I am trying to separate now... He is refusing to leave and blaming me for everything. I know I need to weather the storm, that will inevitably mean going to family court (round 2 for me!) as he is so angry. But I know... The damage he is causing to my eldest is huge... And the only way to help her is to separate, even though it means our youngest children living between him and me. The feelings of failure are huge, I wish I didn't feel like such a failure for the Dcs. I wish you all the luck and strength XX well done for recognising the problem.

TheBottomsOfMyTrousersAreRolled · 06/04/2024 11:14

Yourusername3636 · 06/04/2024 09:50

Oh my goodness, I felt like I could have written part of this. It is just an awful situation, I am sorry your going through this. I have and older child from a previous relationship and 2 with partner I am currently trying to split from. He is wonderful in some ways with my eldest, but will also belittle her, blame her, shout and I always feel like I need to step on - which causes huge confrontations about why I don't support him etc etc. I am trying to separate now... He is refusing to leave and blaming me for everything. I know I need to weather the storm, that will inevitably mean going to family court (round 2 for me!) as he is so angry. But I know... The damage he is causing to my eldest is huge... And the only way to help her is to separate, even though it means our youngest children living between him and me. The feelings of failure are huge, I wish I didn't feel like such a failure for the Dcs. I wish you all the luck and strength XX well done for recognising the problem.

You only fail if you see it happening and let it continue.

captaincookiecrisp · 06/04/2024 15:43

I just had a nasty message from H saying that I “can’t coparent” because of my “history” (I had a bad childhood and some failed relationships before having dc.. never mind that he had an abusive childhood himself with an alcoholic parent.) He said I’m a “difficult person”. And that he wasn’t “like this” before he met me. And I have “ground him into the dirt”, like I am the whole problem. He doesn’t see any of his behaviour toward dc as wrong and he wasn’t even responsible for it. He knows how to make me feel guilty and upset and for a moment I’m like, have I got this all wrong. But then my family and this thread say his behaviour is unacceptable which is how I’ve felt for a long time. I feel like I’m in quicksand mentally. He is so nasty. It’s always scared me too much to leave in the past. Should I get some therapy, or something? It does not feel normal how anxious he makes me.

OP posts:
Secondstart1001 · 06/04/2024 15:51

@captaincookiecrisp yes please please get therapy to help make you stronger. You’ve been incredibly brave already even coming back on here. He’s not co-parenting, he’s bullying your child and when you put yourself between her and him, he cannot accept it or take ownership of his behavior. My ExH used to make me feel anxious as he was abusive. I know it’s not me as now im with Dp I am not anxious as he doesn’t behave like a madman! Please keep on with this journey and be free of this terrible man!

Secondstart1001 · 06/04/2024 16:01

@captaincookiecrisp also you going to see family has rattled him, he’s on the back foot, he will use all the toys in his box to manipulate you. Also put passwords and locks on your phone ect and clear your browser to ensure you stay safe.