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H can’t stop arguing with me about my dc. Time to go?

179 replies

captaincookiecrisp · 05/04/2024 15:28

I’ve been with my ‘d’H for 8 years. Married for 5 of those. I had a 3yo child already when we met (no dad involved) and in hindsight we moved too fast but I was pretty young and lonely and I didn’t know better. Well I was probably a bit selfish. he met dc within a few months, moved in within a year and we got engaged after that. He didn’t have any experience with little kids at all and I think he did do his best but there were incidents of him being too strict with dc from as early as year 1, I remember him saying to me he didn’t know if he could be with someone if he wasn’t also allowed to parent their kid. (This was well before we were married.) I remember nasty arguments he would have with me in front of dc from the first or second year and I’d be really upset as I loved him and was scared to be alone. I’m sad to say I put myself first. It’s been a constant theme, what will happen is dc will do something (either an accident like falling off a chair and he will tell her off for messing, or she might be grumpy and he will punish her too harshly or say something harsh) and I will step in if dc is upset, to defend. Then he will get extremely angry with me and shout at me, storm off, disappear for the rest of the day, Etc all in front of dc. He says I don’t co parent with him and I don’t ‘listen’ but when I try to explain it’s my instinct to protect dc he just won’t hear it. Also in terms of co parenting I do all homework, shower, bedtime story, taking her out, organising her life, buying her stuff…. He doesn’t bother to do that. He just wants to ‘co parent’ via discipline.

dc is a good kid, shy and kind, no behaviour issues.

It’s happened a few times in the past month - he nearly left our holiday recently because of it - and last night when she was grumpy/tired after we ate out and we’re going to get some cake he was like ‘you don’t deserve cake’ and said she was ‘bad’ which made her cry. I hugged her and asked him not to say that as it wasnt fair. He then called us both ‘ridiculous’ and stormed off. She asked me if it was her fault. She kept saying ‘he’s in a mood’ when we got home. He took me in the next room to shout at me when she was watching tv then told me he wants a divorce. That it’s my fault and that he acts the way he does because I make him. He said he was going to take all our joint money as ‘he made most of it’ (I work ft but much lower paid) and that he won’t leave so we will have to. I asked him if he could stop doing this around dc and he said he couldn’t. He said it’s a ‘personality clash’.

Then after I got incredibly upset, hours later, he said he ‘can’t’ do that to dc so he will stay for her and ‘pretend he’s died’ as his opinions clearly don’t matter.

why is it like this? Ironically he has been pushing me to have more dc for ages but when he acts like this around mine I just shut down. He is volatile and can’t help moods and sulks and he doesn’t care how it harms dc.

what do I do? Is it my fault? I literally have no idea anymore. I hate to see dc upset and harshly/unfairly treated. I can’t help protecting them. I can’t just bite my tongue and talk about it later when it’s like that. I want dc to know someone has their back.

OP posts:
cheeseandketchupsandwich · 05/04/2024 21:41

"I’m sad to say I put myself first."

Lesson learned. Now it's time to put DC first. She deserves better.

StSwithinsDay · 05/04/2024 21:46

Lesson learned. Now it's time to put DC first. She deserves better.
@captaincookiecrisp won't though. She's selfish and prefers to have any man no matter how shit he is to her 11 year old daughter.

abracadabra1980 · 05/04/2024 21:51

Do you love your child more than your need not to be alone?
Then dump this gaslighting arsehole and NEVER allow a man to upset your child again. He's an emotional retard.

Daffodilsarentfluffy · 05/04/2024 21:52

You need to end the relationship op. Imagine dd finds the guts to tell an adult. Social services will be at your door. And you will have to explain why you are endorsing the abuse of your own dc..

chrisfromcardiff · 05/04/2024 21:54

AlwaysGinPlease · 05/04/2024 21:09

Op i hope someone reports you both to SS. You're complicit. That poor child. It's heartbreaking.

I was thinking this, too

Secondstart1001 · 05/04/2024 22:01

EG94 · 05/04/2024 21:26

Ladies perhaps we should consider a softer approach? You are underestimating the power of gaslight, manipulation and coercive control. It’s obvious to us because we are in it! A person in the situation is constantly made to question reality and they start to not know what’s right wrong. They’re loved one minute and replaceable the next. He is doing a number on OP. Be a bit kinder please. She’s had the courage to question the normality. That’s a good sign. Encourage more questions instead of belittling her. Another point to add if her husband is top tier cunt he will of isolated her too. She will have nothing and no one. She needs support not more abuse from strangers.

Exactly this! And she is defending her daughter though her DH seems relentless in his persistence of picking in this child that he should be loving and protecting! op has come here looking for support as she knows what’s happening is wrong.

Flopsythebunny · 05/04/2024 22:04

Your posts are all me me me and how his behaviour is affecting you.
You've allowed this bully to abuse your child for years rather than you be lonely.
Don't you think it's time to do something about it? If you don't, your child will never forgive you

Flopsythebunny · 05/04/2024 22:05

Secondstart1001 · 05/04/2024 22:01

Exactly this! And she is defending her daughter though her DH seems relentless in his persistence of picking in this child that he should be loving and protecting! op has come here looking for support as she knows what’s happening is wrong.

But doing nothing to stop it

EmeraldRoses · 05/04/2024 22:06

In response to the post above, I think what it is is that I think that most women can't stomach the idea of a woman who put a man before her child, that is why this post has evoked such strong responses. The OP does know what is happening is wrong but she has let it continue for a long time which must be horrible for the child. I do hope the OP finds the strength and support she needs to move forward, but I think that most people are more concerned for the child.

EmeraldRoses · 05/04/2024 22:07

That was in response to secondStart

EG94 · 05/04/2024 22:08

Secondstart1001 · 05/04/2024 22:01

Exactly this! And she is defending her daughter though her DH seems relentless in his persistence of picking in this child that he should be loving and protecting! op has come here looking for support as she knows what’s happening is wrong.

I think too many people don’t understand how abuse works. I’ll be honest I’m a strong ass woman with a mouth to match. I didn’t get it. Thought would never happen to me. It has and now I get it. It is not black and white and clear cut. Abusers work hard and over a prolonged period of time. It’s not easy to just wake up and say na not for me because you’re still questioning if you’re the problem!!

Thefutureisourownpath · 05/04/2024 22:10

captaincookiecrisp · 05/04/2024 15:28

I’ve been with my ‘d’H for 8 years. Married for 5 of those. I had a 3yo child already when we met (no dad involved) and in hindsight we moved too fast but I was pretty young and lonely and I didn’t know better. Well I was probably a bit selfish. he met dc within a few months, moved in within a year and we got engaged after that. He didn’t have any experience with little kids at all and I think he did do his best but there were incidents of him being too strict with dc from as early as year 1, I remember him saying to me he didn’t know if he could be with someone if he wasn’t also allowed to parent their kid. (This was well before we were married.) I remember nasty arguments he would have with me in front of dc from the first or second year and I’d be really upset as I loved him and was scared to be alone. I’m sad to say I put myself first. It’s been a constant theme, what will happen is dc will do something (either an accident like falling off a chair and he will tell her off for messing, or she might be grumpy and he will punish her too harshly or say something harsh) and I will step in if dc is upset, to defend. Then he will get extremely angry with me and shout at me, storm off, disappear for the rest of the day, Etc all in front of dc. He says I don’t co parent with him and I don’t ‘listen’ but when I try to explain it’s my instinct to protect dc he just won’t hear it. Also in terms of co parenting I do all homework, shower, bedtime story, taking her out, organising her life, buying her stuff…. He doesn’t bother to do that. He just wants to ‘co parent’ via discipline.

dc is a good kid, shy and kind, no behaviour issues.

It’s happened a few times in the past month - he nearly left our holiday recently because of it - and last night when she was grumpy/tired after we ate out and we’re going to get some cake he was like ‘you don’t deserve cake’ and said she was ‘bad’ which made her cry. I hugged her and asked him not to say that as it wasnt fair. He then called us both ‘ridiculous’ and stormed off. She asked me if it was her fault. She kept saying ‘he’s in a mood’ when we got home. He took me in the next room to shout at me when she was watching tv then told me he wants a divorce. That it’s my fault and that he acts the way he does because I make him. He said he was going to take all our joint money as ‘he made most of it’ (I work ft but much lower paid) and that he won’t leave so we will have to. I asked him if he could stop doing this around dc and he said he couldn’t. He said it’s a ‘personality clash’.

Then after I got incredibly upset, hours later, he said he ‘can’t’ do that to dc so he will stay for her and ‘pretend he’s died’ as his opinions clearly don’t matter.

why is it like this? Ironically he has been pushing me to have more dc for ages but when he acts like this around mine I just shut down. He is volatile and can’t help moods and sulks and he doesn’t care how it harms dc.

what do I do? Is it my fault? I literally have no idea anymore. I hate to see dc upset and harshly/unfairly treated. I can’t help protecting them. I can’t just bite my tongue and talk about it later when it’s like that. I want dc to know someone has their back.

We need to talk DH.

I feel that our marriage has reached the end of the road. You are a bully and I want and need better for my daughter. I told her told that she is bad or naughty when she is an amazing child who has given you more love than you have ever shown her. Love is not pick ups and drop offs it is a deep rooted connection and the desire to see someone else and be their biggest champion and supporter. You aren’t. No blame - it’s just the way it is.

I want to divorce amicably and for me and DD to grow up in a family where she is 100% cherished and loved for her.

Please stop with the emotionally blackmail and melodramatics - we deserve better.

The last bit on repeat

SamW98 · 05/04/2024 22:11

EmeraldRoses · 05/04/2024 22:06

In response to the post above, I think what it is is that I think that most women can't stomach the idea of a woman who put a man before her child, that is why this post has evoked such strong responses. The OP does know what is happening is wrong but she has let it continue for a long time which must be horrible for the child. I do hope the OP finds the strength and support she needs to move forward, but I think that most people are more concerned for the child.

Plus the fact she admitted he was already like this in the first year yet she still married him knowing how he acted around her daughter.

She has facilitated her daughter being bullied and admitted she was selfish and didn’t want to be on her own.

Thefutureisourownpath · 05/04/2024 22:11

I don’t want her told she is bad etc ….

Southern68 · 05/04/2024 22:12

captaincookiecrisp · 05/04/2024 15:38

He’s always said it’s because of me that he acts that way. I ‘dont listen’ and I don’t ‘back him up’. which I actually do a lot but not when he’s being too harsh.‘it’s not how I want to raise her. His parents were way too strict and punitive as he admits.
so I guess I feel responsible for acting in a way that is instinctual to me and like I’ve ruined my marriage or something.

He isn't her father, he just happens to be married to her mother. Biological parent or not he's being an absolute twunt. As for refusing to leave, if you ask the police to remove him as you and your child are being controlled, coerced and treated badly, they'll remove him. There are nows laws against coercive control and what he is doing it is abusive. Kick the asswipe out, your child should not be living in fear, it's up to you to ensure she doesn't, and to dump this excuse for a man.

Thefutureisourownpath · 05/04/2024 22:15

He says he wants a divorce - great I have already approached a solicitor

  • you need to move out - no we can live in the same house - and be courteous there is no an issue.
  • you have just made a threat (to commit suicide) I am phoning the ambulance for you I am not responsible for anything else
  • if you swear again at me I will phone the police as it is verbal and emotional abuse etc
Toohardtofindaproperusername · 05/04/2024 22:20

captaincookiecrisp · 05/04/2024 15:38

He’s always said it’s because of me that he acts that way. I ‘dont listen’ and I don’t ‘back him up’. which I actually do a lot but not when he’s being too harsh.‘it’s not how I want to raise her. His parents were way too strict and punitive as he admits.
so I guess I feel responsible for acting in a way that is instinctual to me and like I’ve ruined my marriage or something.

you aren't 'ruining' your marriage .. you are being a mother and recognising that you moved too quikcly with this man, and that he may not be good for your children... or for you. If you hadn't had kids when you met, you'd be wondering what kind of father he would make and now you know.. he's not a good one. Let him go and you and your children will absolutely flourish. you are reflective and thoughtful and have probably grown up a lot, and certainly outgrown this man.

Tangelablue · 05/04/2024 22:22

gamerchick · 05/04/2024 15:46

Well for starters, since it's already on his mind you transfer half the joint bank account to your own.

Then you say that yes, you would like a divorce. Your child is going to grow up and anxious wreck if you stay with this specimen.

This was going through my mind, the child will grow up to be an anxious people pleaser with low self esteem.

CRE2024 · 05/04/2024 22:30

If you don't leave this man you are neglecting your child. It's bad enough that she has had to put up with his emotional abuse this long. If you're not prepared to put her first you might find yourself in the future with no daughter and by the sounds of it no husband either.

Reach out to woman's aid for support.

easilydistracted1 · 05/04/2024 22:32

Divorce is the best thing that could happen to you. Thank god he isn't her father. Get your documents together, take exactly half of the joint money and run. To a refuge or to family. Then sort out divorce from there. Ideally it's a good idea to see a solicitor first but this behaviour is really escalating in terms of risk

Namechange666 · 05/04/2024 22:33

Leave yesterday... your poor child.

ListenLinda · 05/04/2024 22:44

You need to leave.
my DH and his sisters grew up in a similar environment. They have a very fractured relationship with their mother now.
it won’t get any better OP and your child will likely end up resenting you when she is older. Because you failed to protect her.

Therealjudgejudy · 05/04/2024 22:46

Stop being selfish, put your daughter first and leave this bullying prick.

Sunnytwobridges · 05/04/2024 22:47

Fuck this prick. No way I would’ve let him treat my child like that. I’d rather be single for the rest of my life

bombastix · 05/04/2024 22:50

Do you have any idea what this man does to your daughter if you are not there for any reason? I would be actively worried.

Yes you should leave and fast