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H can’t stop arguing with me about my dc. Time to go?

179 replies

captaincookiecrisp · 05/04/2024 15:28

I’ve been with my ‘d’H for 8 years. Married for 5 of those. I had a 3yo child already when we met (no dad involved) and in hindsight we moved too fast but I was pretty young and lonely and I didn’t know better. Well I was probably a bit selfish. he met dc within a few months, moved in within a year and we got engaged after that. He didn’t have any experience with little kids at all and I think he did do his best but there were incidents of him being too strict with dc from as early as year 1, I remember him saying to me he didn’t know if he could be with someone if he wasn’t also allowed to parent their kid. (This was well before we were married.) I remember nasty arguments he would have with me in front of dc from the first or second year and I’d be really upset as I loved him and was scared to be alone. I’m sad to say I put myself first. It’s been a constant theme, what will happen is dc will do something (either an accident like falling off a chair and he will tell her off for messing, or she might be grumpy and he will punish her too harshly or say something harsh) and I will step in if dc is upset, to defend. Then he will get extremely angry with me and shout at me, storm off, disappear for the rest of the day, Etc all in front of dc. He says I don’t co parent with him and I don’t ‘listen’ but when I try to explain it’s my instinct to protect dc he just won’t hear it. Also in terms of co parenting I do all homework, shower, bedtime story, taking her out, organising her life, buying her stuff…. He doesn’t bother to do that. He just wants to ‘co parent’ via discipline.

dc is a good kid, shy and kind, no behaviour issues.

It’s happened a few times in the past month - he nearly left our holiday recently because of it - and last night when she was grumpy/tired after we ate out and we’re going to get some cake he was like ‘you don’t deserve cake’ and said she was ‘bad’ which made her cry. I hugged her and asked him not to say that as it wasnt fair. He then called us both ‘ridiculous’ and stormed off. She asked me if it was her fault. She kept saying ‘he’s in a mood’ when we got home. He took me in the next room to shout at me when she was watching tv then told me he wants a divorce. That it’s my fault and that he acts the way he does because I make him. He said he was going to take all our joint money as ‘he made most of it’ (I work ft but much lower paid) and that he won’t leave so we will have to. I asked him if he could stop doing this around dc and he said he couldn’t. He said it’s a ‘personality clash’.

Then after I got incredibly upset, hours later, he said he ‘can’t’ do that to dc so he will stay for her and ‘pretend he’s died’ as his opinions clearly don’t matter.

why is it like this? Ironically he has been pushing me to have more dc for ages but when he acts like this around mine I just shut down. He is volatile and can’t help moods and sulks and he doesn’t care how it harms dc.

what do I do? Is it my fault? I literally have no idea anymore. I hate to see dc upset and harshly/unfairly treated. I can’t help protecting them. I can’t just bite my tongue and talk about it later when it’s like that. I want dc to know someone has their back.

OP posts:
GingerPirate · 05/04/2024 19:02

Time to go, OP.
Yesterday.

Xenoi24 · 05/04/2024 19:09

I feel really sorry for your DD.

You're going to fuck her up if you let this continue.

Get the fuck rid of him.

Gettingbysomehow · 05/04/2024 19:09

I was emotionally destroyed by a nasty stepfather and a weak mother. Ended up with CPTSD and horrendous mental problems. Is that what you want for your DC.

mathanxiety · 05/04/2024 19:17

Time to give him the boot.

MsDogLady · 05/04/2024 19:23

@captaincookiecrisp, this is a chilling read.

This sadistic bully has been abusing your poor child for years. The horrific damage done to her will have far-reaching ramifications. The only effective protection for her is your removing this monster from her life for good.

He is also a master manipulator who is ace at pushing your buttons and shifting the blame/responsibility for his brutality onto you. Stop swallowing his shit sandwiches.

@captaincookiecrisp, he is crushing your innocent daughter’s spirit. If you won’t safeguard her by leaving her abuser, I hope and pray that someone in authority will step in to help her.

Topseyt123 · 05/04/2024 20:01

Dump his sorry, bullying and abusive arse and get your poor DD away from him. Quickly. He is damaging her.

DeeCeeCherry · 05/04/2024 20:16

Why repeatedly list what this absolute idiot says. Who df cares? He's bullying your child and should already be gone. He's just a man, you'll live on without him and having a man should never come before your child anyway.

Aquamarine1029 · 05/04/2024 20:18

You already allowed your daughter's childhood to be ruined by this man, for reasons that are beyond me. Get rid of him and try to undo some of the damage before it's too late.

dunroamingfornow · 05/04/2024 20:23

I know a woman in her forties who is having counselling to cope with life long trauma from a very similar experience as a child at the hands of her step dad. Time to leave for your child but also for you .

Secondstart1001 · 05/04/2024 20:25

I only let my DP into Dds life after 3 years, after I’d seen him with his own kids, seen what kind of dad he was and also spent time living at his or mine when kids were not with me ( they are 50% with their dad) and had been through lots of situations where if he had a bad side I would see it. Only once I was 100% I let him into my daughters life. One day he was coming over and she was excited to play Uno with him but he said he needed to jump straight onto his laptop to work. I told him not to bother coming if he was going to let her down. He came and we all spent time together but that’s my tolerance to anyone upsetting DD. And he is great with her, very protective and always suggesting things with should so together and is proud of her ( she’s very academic and sporty). Please protect your daughter, it is not her choice to live with your abusive DH. Poor thing, she can’t even escape to her dads!

chrisfromcardiff · 05/04/2024 20:27

captaincookiecrisp · 05/04/2024 15:28

I’ve been with my ‘d’H for 8 years. Married for 5 of those. I had a 3yo child already when we met (no dad involved) and in hindsight we moved too fast but I was pretty young and lonely and I didn’t know better. Well I was probably a bit selfish. he met dc within a few months, moved in within a year and we got engaged after that. He didn’t have any experience with little kids at all and I think he did do his best but there were incidents of him being too strict with dc from as early as year 1, I remember him saying to me he didn’t know if he could be with someone if he wasn’t also allowed to parent their kid. (This was well before we were married.) I remember nasty arguments he would have with me in front of dc from the first or second year and I’d be really upset as I loved him and was scared to be alone. I’m sad to say I put myself first. It’s been a constant theme, what will happen is dc will do something (either an accident like falling off a chair and he will tell her off for messing, or she might be grumpy and he will punish her too harshly or say something harsh) and I will step in if dc is upset, to defend. Then he will get extremely angry with me and shout at me, storm off, disappear for the rest of the day, Etc all in front of dc. He says I don’t co parent with him and I don’t ‘listen’ but when I try to explain it’s my instinct to protect dc he just won’t hear it. Also in terms of co parenting I do all homework, shower, bedtime story, taking her out, organising her life, buying her stuff…. He doesn’t bother to do that. He just wants to ‘co parent’ via discipline.

dc is a good kid, shy and kind, no behaviour issues.

It’s happened a few times in the past month - he nearly left our holiday recently because of it - and last night when she was grumpy/tired after we ate out and we’re going to get some cake he was like ‘you don’t deserve cake’ and said she was ‘bad’ which made her cry. I hugged her and asked him not to say that as it wasnt fair. He then called us both ‘ridiculous’ and stormed off. She asked me if it was her fault. She kept saying ‘he’s in a mood’ when we got home. He took me in the next room to shout at me when she was watching tv then told me he wants a divorce. That it’s my fault and that he acts the way he does because I make him. He said he was going to take all our joint money as ‘he made most of it’ (I work ft but much lower paid) and that he won’t leave so we will have to. I asked him if he could stop doing this around dc and he said he couldn’t. He said it’s a ‘personality clash’.

Then after I got incredibly upset, hours later, he said he ‘can’t’ do that to dc so he will stay for her and ‘pretend he’s died’ as his opinions clearly don’t matter.

why is it like this? Ironically he has been pushing me to have more dc for ages but when he acts like this around mine I just shut down. He is volatile and can’t help moods and sulks and he doesn’t care how it harms dc.

what do I do? Is it my fault? I literally have no idea anymore. I hate to see dc upset and harshly/unfairly treated. I can’t help protecting them. I can’t just bite my tongue and talk about it later when it’s like that. I want dc to know someone has their back.

What do you do????? You tell him he is right and it is time for a divorce. Then, you get your child to a therapist and hope that the therapist can undo the years of damage you have allowed to happen to your child.

chrisfromcardiff · 05/04/2024 20:33

Aquamarine1029 · 05/04/2024 20:18

You already allowed your daughter's childhood to be ruined by this man, for reasons that are beyond me. Get rid of him and try to undo some of the damage before it's too late.

This. Absolutely this. I am just sickened reading what this OP has allowed to happen to her child.

SamW98 · 05/04/2024 20:38

chrisfromcardiff · 05/04/2024 20:33

This. Absolutely this. I am just sickened reading what this OP has allowed to happen to her child.

Me too. I’m horrified that so many women like the OP prioritise dick over their children and still keep making excuses for these abusive pricks

Crying because he asked for a divorce - it’s all me me me and no interest in her daughters well being. That poor girl, let down by every adult supposed to be caring about her.

Frazzledatfifty · 05/04/2024 20:43

This man is a bully, he is manipulating you with many of the things he says to make you think it is your fault. He is gaslighting you and he is horrible to your daughter. The thought of being alone again may be frightening for you but I have a feeling that once the initial split is made, you will breathe a huge sigh of relief. Normal, happy, supportive relationships are nothing like this… be brave and leave… for yourself, and for your daughter who deserves so much better.

Tiny2018 · 05/04/2024 20:43

There's a good chance that if you continue to allow this pathetic excuse for a man to abuse your daughter that she will want nothing to do with you when she's older and understandably so.

FineWordsButterNoParsnips · 05/04/2024 20:49

Your child's abuser threatens to divorce you and you sob? You want a child abuser to be more 'hands on' with his victim???Did I read that right?
As the former child of a woman who put shit males before me this thread has made me angry. You're traumatising your child to indulge your want for a bloke. You're allowing your child to be bullied by a man.
And your replies are wittering on about more ways he bullies your kid, his thoughts, his words, nothing about how childhood trauma impacts people for life, nothing about getting your kid therapy if you haven't bothered yet.

Atethehalloweenchocs · 05/04/2024 21:04

So either he is a jerk and a terrible parent who is only interested in throwing is weight around, or you are a complete pushover who thinks it is ok to have an adult in the home who has no authority or say over what happens. Either is not good.

TheBottomsOfMyTrousersAreRolled · 05/04/2024 21:05

He does provide very well for us
That doesnt give him the right to abuse your child. You shouldnt stay with him, and let him continue to abuse your daughter, for money.

AlwaysGinPlease · 05/04/2024 21:09

Op i hope someone reports you both to SS. You're complicit. That poor child. It's heartbreaking.

MsDogLady · 05/04/2024 21:11

@captaincookiecrisp, your defending DD when this brute pushes her into crying is like putting a tiny bandaid on a cancerous tumor. It has done zero to stop his terrorizing her. It has done nothing to quell her daily fear and dread around him or to heal her shattered self-esteem. What about the many times when she has felt hurt, humiliated and belittled, but you didn’t step in because she didn’t actually cry?

I know from personal and professional experience the damaging consequences of the destructive cruelty he is perpetrating against your child.

What are you going to do about banishing him from your lives?

MariaLuna · 05/04/2024 21:21

Are you so desperate for cock that you let this horrible man ruin your child's life?

I despair.

EG94 · 05/04/2024 21:26

Ladies perhaps we should consider a softer approach? You are underestimating the power of gaslight, manipulation and coercive control. It’s obvious to us because we are in it! A person in the situation is constantly made to question reality and they start to not know what’s right wrong. They’re loved one minute and replaceable the next. He is doing a number on OP. Be a bit kinder please. She’s had the courage to question the normality. That’s a good sign. Encourage more questions instead of belittling her. Another point to add if her husband is top tier cunt he will of isolated her too. She will have nothing and no one. She needs support not more abuse from strangers.

EmeraldRoses · 05/04/2024 21:26

My honest advice is you need to get a backbone , get rid of this vile bully and put your innocent daughter first. She is the priority.

StSwithinsDay · 05/04/2024 21:28

Ironically he has been pushing me to have more dc for ages but when he acts like this around mine I just shut down. He is volatile and can’t help moods and sulks and he doesn’t care how it harms dc.

You don't seem to care how it harms your daughter either do you. You are as complicit as he is in the damage you are doing to that child.

Natty13 · 05/04/2024 21:33

Do you think your daughter is growing up with a good sense of self esteem watching and experiencing this? Do you think she will grow into a woman who thinks she deserves a nicean who loves ans cherishes her?

There is a MASSIVE link to the way little girls are treated by parental figures, and the treament they witness their mums putting up with, and what they grown up to tolerate in adult relationships. If you stay, you are priming her to be treated like shit and accept it, because she won't think she is worth any better.

Personally I want better for my own DD which is why any man who ever raised his voice to me or showed any sign of anger was out the door, whether she had met him or not.