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H can’t stop arguing with me about my dc. Time to go?

179 replies

captaincookiecrisp · 05/04/2024 15:28

I’ve been with my ‘d’H for 8 years. Married for 5 of those. I had a 3yo child already when we met (no dad involved) and in hindsight we moved too fast but I was pretty young and lonely and I didn’t know better. Well I was probably a bit selfish. he met dc within a few months, moved in within a year and we got engaged after that. He didn’t have any experience with little kids at all and I think he did do his best but there were incidents of him being too strict with dc from as early as year 1, I remember him saying to me he didn’t know if he could be with someone if he wasn’t also allowed to parent their kid. (This was well before we were married.) I remember nasty arguments he would have with me in front of dc from the first or second year and I’d be really upset as I loved him and was scared to be alone. I’m sad to say I put myself first. It’s been a constant theme, what will happen is dc will do something (either an accident like falling off a chair and he will tell her off for messing, or she might be grumpy and he will punish her too harshly or say something harsh) and I will step in if dc is upset, to defend. Then he will get extremely angry with me and shout at me, storm off, disappear for the rest of the day, Etc all in front of dc. He says I don’t co parent with him and I don’t ‘listen’ but when I try to explain it’s my instinct to protect dc he just won’t hear it. Also in terms of co parenting I do all homework, shower, bedtime story, taking her out, organising her life, buying her stuff…. He doesn’t bother to do that. He just wants to ‘co parent’ via discipline.

dc is a good kid, shy and kind, no behaviour issues.

It’s happened a few times in the past month - he nearly left our holiday recently because of it - and last night when she was grumpy/tired after we ate out and we’re going to get some cake he was like ‘you don’t deserve cake’ and said she was ‘bad’ which made her cry. I hugged her and asked him not to say that as it wasnt fair. He then called us both ‘ridiculous’ and stormed off. She asked me if it was her fault. She kept saying ‘he’s in a mood’ when we got home. He took me in the next room to shout at me when she was watching tv then told me he wants a divorce. That it’s my fault and that he acts the way he does because I make him. He said he was going to take all our joint money as ‘he made most of it’ (I work ft but much lower paid) and that he won’t leave so we will have to. I asked him if he could stop doing this around dc and he said he couldn’t. He said it’s a ‘personality clash’.

Then after I got incredibly upset, hours later, he said he ‘can’t’ do that to dc so he will stay for her and ‘pretend he’s died’ as his opinions clearly don’t matter.

why is it like this? Ironically he has been pushing me to have more dc for ages but when he acts like this around mine I just shut down. He is volatile and can’t help moods and sulks and he doesn’t care how it harms dc.

what do I do? Is it my fault? I literally have no idea anymore. I hate to see dc upset and harshly/unfairly treated. I can’t help protecting them. I can’t just bite my tongue and talk about it later when it’s like that. I want dc to know someone has their back.

OP posts:
BetsyBobbin · 05/04/2024 16:25

Another case of dick before kids

newyearsresolurion · 05/04/2024 16:25

LBT protect your child

Newestname002 · 05/04/2024 16:32

@captaincookiecrisp

Please contact women's aid and talk to them about your situation and ask their advice about the steps you need to take, including a solicitor.

Do not let him know you are taking any steps to separate from/divorce him until you are completely ready, as the bullying behaviour will escalate.

If you find it difficult to speak to women's aid then get an appointment with your local citizens advice so they can advise on the steps you need to take.

  • Do you know how much equity you have in the marital home and what it's worth in the market?
  • Do you have your own bank account, to which he has no access as you don't want him to clear out your account
  • advice on here is often to transfer 50% of whatever is in the joint account. He's already threatened to clear it out, leaving you in difficult circumstances
  • see what benefits you might be able to claim when you've separated www.entitled to.co.uk.

Thank goodness, as someone said your daughter has no biological connection with him, so no problems about contact. Do you get child maintenance from her biological father?

And thank goodness you've resisted having children with him because that would tie you to him for years and he'd make your life so much more difficult.

Don't waste time getting the information you need or blaming yourself for the situation you're in. Get the information you need to get a fair financial settlement on divorce. Good luck. 🌹

Newcrocs · 05/04/2024 16:37

He wants a divorce, I'd give it to him gladly. In fact, I'd be on the phone to a solicitor not posting on MN.

You know this behaviour from him is abhorrent, do your poor dc a favour and bin the horrible arsehole.

Notamum12345577 · 05/04/2024 16:37

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 05/04/2024 15:43

He is a weed-smoking argumentative bully who is horrible to your child, and you think it's your fault for ruining the marriage?! Wake up, OP. Why do you think should you listen to and back up a man who is like this?

I couldn’t see Weed mentioned?

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 05/04/2024 16:38

I couldn’t see Weed mentioned?

Not on this thread, no. There are a couple of others.

TheBottomsOfMyTrousersAreRolled · 05/04/2024 16:41

Run. Dint look back. He is absolutely awful.

told me he wants a divorce. That it’s my fault and that he acts the way he does because I make him.
abuser language right there.

Venturini · 05/04/2024 16:52

Shame on you for putting your daughter through this. Get her away from this man and grow a bloody back bone.

EG94 · 05/04/2024 16:55

There’s a few things to unpack here

most obvious he sounds like he is gas lighting you and his behaviour is unacceptable. Take your kid out a minute, the way he is behaving around the child with the shouting and aggression is not acceptable.

he seems very tetchy with your child and I don’t agree with a lot of what you have described. That said you constantly undermining him in front of your child in my opinion is not great. When bubby is in bed or in her room playing this is when you have a chat and say you know I didn’t like how you handled that earlier, I don’t want this to happen again and he will share why he thinks it’s ok and hopefully you’ll find some kind of middle ground.

most people would believe their kids are nice and harmless and no bother. My partner says same about his kids but I do find them annoying at times. Parents often blind to their children’s habits / behaviour

threatening to leave with the money this is a power play and we go full circle back to point one, it is time to leave x

teatimeplease · 05/04/2024 16:57

Yes it's time to go, I think you would be unreasonable to stay with such a nasty bully

GrazingSheep · 05/04/2024 17:03

When your daughter is an adult she will look back at the childhood she had.
Do you think she will want to maintain a relationship when she knows what you have subjected her to?
And you have done this for 8 years ???

AllThePotatoesAreSinging · 05/04/2024 17:03

gamerchick · 05/04/2024 15:46

Well for starters, since it's already on his mind you transfer half the joint bank account to your own.

Then you say that yes, you would like a divorce. Your child is going to grow up and anxious wreck if you stay with this specimen.

I agree

captaincookiecrisp · 05/04/2024 17:07

@EG94 i do agree re undermining and I do back him up a lot. But when she is upset/hurt by what he says or does and I can tell it’s genuine I will comfort/step in for her. It always always triggers his anger and his moods can last for hours after. So it feels like it’s really about our relationship

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WhatWouldYouDo33 · 05/04/2024 17:11

Leave this disgusting bully. Now or your DD will not forgive when she is older.
if you think he is bad now, he will be worse when she is a teenager and rebellious or going out.
no child deserves ro be called “bad”.

please please leave. My heart breaks for your girl.

WhereYouLeftIt · 05/04/2024 17:13

captaincookiecrisp · 05/04/2024 15:38

He’s always said it’s because of me that he acts that way. I ‘dont listen’ and I don’t ‘back him up’. which I actually do a lot but not when he’s being too harsh.‘it’s not how I want to raise her. His parents were way too strict and punitive as he admits.
so I guess I feel responsible for acting in a way that is instinctual to me and like I’ve ruined my marriage or something.

Of course he's going to say 'it's because of you'! You don't think he's going to blame himself for his own bad behaviour, do you? Take responsibility for himself? No, no, no! <sarcastic>

"He says I don’t co parent with him and I don’t ‘listen’ but when I try to explain it’s my instinct to protect dc he just won’t hear it. Also in terms of co parenting I do all homework, shower, bedtime story, taking her out, organising her life, buying her stuff…. He doesn’t bother to do that. He just wants to ‘co parent’ via discipline."

He's not co-parenting at all, he's just enjoying having total power over a child. And over you.

Yes, it's time to go. Might I suggest you move some of the joint money into a personal account? Since he's threatened "he was going to take all our joint money". It isn't all his to take!

Andthereyougo · 05/04/2024 17:15

He doesn’t bother to do that. He just wants to ‘co parent’ via discipline.

Says it all. He’s a bully. Makes him feel big to bully a small child.
Kick him out.

And move 50% of joint money immediately. Don’t tell him any plans until you’ve done that. What a bastard.

EG94 · 05/04/2024 17:26

captaincookiecrisp · 05/04/2024 17:07

@EG94 i do agree re undermining and I do back him up a lot. But when she is upset/hurt by what he says or does and I can tell it’s genuine I will comfort/step in for her. It always always triggers his anger and his moods can last for hours after. So it feels like it’s really about our relationship

You got bigger problems than him upsetting your daughter. He is trying to play mind games with you and manipulate you.

the examples you gave relating to your daughter alone are a bit vague. You said he says nasty things but haven’t elaborated more? He said she couldn’t have cake because she was bad and you jumped in to defend her. What he said actually in my opinion wasn’t worthy of jumping in on. She can’t be that distraught over that he didn’t shout or swear at her? Be careful you don’t send a message that no one can ever upset her because in life many people will upset her. For me this is one that could have been a chat when she went to bed.

the other shit he is doing you should be jumping in on. It seems what he is saying to your child isn’t actually the issue it’s the noise and aggression he displays with you in front of your child in arguements. Reminding you he has the financial upper hand reminding you of your vulnerability and mind games to make you believe you have to stay because you’re nothing and incapable without him. Not true btw but coercive control tactics.

captaincookiecrisp · 05/04/2024 17:31

It’s so upsetting that now despite being a large part of our issues he is saying he won’t leave because it would be so bad for dc and she would be so upset, he wasn’t thinking that when he was continually acting out in front of her. But now i will be the one to leave and ‘break her heart’.

OP posts:
WhatWouldYouDo33 · 05/04/2024 17:34

captaincookiecrisp · 05/04/2024 17:31

It’s so upsetting that now despite being a large part of our issues he is saying he won’t leave because it would be so bad for dc and she would be so upset, he wasn’t thinking that when he was continually acting out in front of her. But now i will be the one to leave and ‘break her heart’.

You know this isn’t true. It won’t break her hurt. She will enjoy being child who is allowed ro have a treat without being called bad and who can make mistakes or have accidents. I promise you she won’t forgive you if you don’t leave. Enough wirh letting him bully your child, take money out of the joint account and find a small flat.

EG94 · 05/04/2024 17:35

captaincookiecrisp · 05/04/2024 17:31

It’s so upsetting that now despite being a large part of our issues he is saying he won’t leave because it would be so bad for dc and she would be so upset, he wasn’t thinking that when he was continually acting out in front of her. But now i will be the one to leave and ‘break her heart’.

Gas lighting you into staying. And if he upsets her as much as you claim he does she’ll be relieved not heartbroken. Whose house was it originally? I’m guessing your fear is now how you’ll afford to move out? Any family that can help whilst you get on your feet?

captaincookiecrisp · 05/04/2024 17:36

Yes I do struggle with, am I wrong to jump in? But it’s when my instincts kick in when his tone of voice is contemptuous, if he laughs at her when she’s upset or ridiculed her, or if she’s just being an energetic kid and he gets snappy as he can’t cope with it… and he always reacts so extreme. Storming off, ignoring us both for ages, shouting and swearing at me in the next room to her. And now threatening divorce which he had done twice in 3 weeks leaving me a sobbing mess then he changes his mind.

OP posts:
WhatWouldYouDo33 · 05/04/2024 17:36

EG94 · 05/04/2024 17:26

You got bigger problems than him upsetting your daughter. He is trying to play mind games with you and manipulate you.

the examples you gave relating to your daughter alone are a bit vague. You said he says nasty things but haven’t elaborated more? He said she couldn’t have cake because she was bad and you jumped in to defend her. What he said actually in my opinion wasn’t worthy of jumping in on. She can’t be that distraught over that he didn’t shout or swear at her? Be careful you don’t send a message that no one can ever upset her because in life many people will upset her. For me this is one that could have been a chat when she went to bed.

the other shit he is doing you should be jumping in on. It seems what he is saying to your child isn’t actually the issue it’s the noise and aggression he displays with you in front of your child in arguements. Reminding you he has the financial upper hand reminding you of your vulnerability and mind games to make you believe you have to stay because you’re nothing and incapable without him. Not true btw but coercive control tactics.

I agree with your post apart from one thing. Calling a child “bad” is not ok. Maybe she did something naughty but OP says she is nice and well behaved. No child is “bad”.

Shiningout · 05/04/2024 17:37

captaincookiecrisp · 05/04/2024 17:36

Yes I do struggle with, am I wrong to jump in? But it’s when my instincts kick in when his tone of voice is contemptuous, if he laughs at her when she’s upset or ridiculed her, or if she’s just being an energetic kid and he gets snappy as he can’t cope with it… and he always reacts so extreme. Storming off, ignoring us both for ages, shouting and swearing at me in the next room to her. And now threatening divorce which he had done twice in 3 weeks leaving me a sobbing mess then he changes his mind.

Why are you in a sobbing mess when he threatens divorce?? I'd be begging for one!

WhatWouldYouDo33 · 05/04/2024 17:38

captaincookiecrisp · 05/04/2024 17:36

Yes I do struggle with, am I wrong to jump in? But it’s when my instincts kick in when his tone of voice is contemptuous, if he laughs at her when she’s upset or ridiculed her, or if she’s just being an energetic kid and he gets snappy as he can’t cope with it… and he always reacts so extreme. Storming off, ignoring us both for ages, shouting and swearing at me in the next room to her. And now threatening divorce which he had done twice in 3 weeks leaving me a sobbing mess then he changes his mind.

Why are you a sobbing mess. Agree to a divorce and move on to a life without aggression, emotional blackmail and shouting. He wants you to cry and beg him back.

hellsBells246 · 05/04/2024 17:40

captaincookiecrisp · 05/04/2024 17:36

Yes I do struggle with, am I wrong to jump in? But it’s when my instincts kick in when his tone of voice is contemptuous, if he laughs at her when she’s upset or ridiculed her, or if she’s just being an energetic kid and he gets snappy as he can’t cope with it… and he always reacts so extreme. Storming off, ignoring us both for ages, shouting and swearing at me in the next room to her. And now threatening divorce which he had done twice in 3 weeks leaving me a sobbing mess then he changes his mind.

So he can't be arsed to do any parenting - eg cook for her, baths, etc - he just wants to discipline her??? What an abusive wanker. Yes, get rid. Your dd should come first.

And he has a terrible attitude to arguing. He has no self-awareness and sounds very selfish.

You can do better, op.

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