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Am in utter shock

756 replies

honeyandbutterontoast · 04/03/2024 02:09

Will start by saying this is an OW thread. So I’m not asking for sympathy, I’m just in utter utter shock.

Twelve years ago I met someone. We were both married. We fell in love (I thought). My DH was a bad man, I’m not excusing myself but he was. I divorced him, took the bare minimum and waited for OM to do the same.

He didn’t. For years it went on, his excuses, so I wouldn’t see him, he begged me to be patient. I was his soulmate, his best friend, etc etc etc. And I loved him so much.

We bought a house together, he decided on completion day that he couldn’t leave her. I was in a financial mess for years over that.

In Oct 22 I gave him an ultimatum (this date is important), he had to leave her or we couldn’t speak anymore (up till this point we emailed and texted multiple times a day). He said he couldn’t leave her, couldn’t be without his kids. He went away on holiday with them.

Stupidly we stayed in touch “as friends”. Daily he would ask to see me. He would tell me he wanted to be with me, no matter what would make it happen.

(Sorry this is an essay)

Last spring we saw each other for lunch a couple of times. Something was off but I couldn’t work out what, he seemed depressed. I started dating again and told him we could only be friends.

In the summer he sent me a photo and I noticed he didn’t have a wedding ring on! He told me he had “recently” left his wife but didn’t know how to tell me. That he wasn’t sure if we should move in together straight away (!!) or just get to know each other as single people.

We met for lunch a couple of times, he had endless excuses why I couldn’t see his new flat. It all seemed odd but somehow plausible. We last saw each other in October but carried on messaging multiple times a day, chatting about everything. Or so I thought.

He told me he was very depressed and unhappy. Needed time to get used to life alone. I truly believed he was unhappy, possibly even suicidal at times.

This evening I received a message. From his girlfriend. Who he lives with. Who he had told he was separated when he met her 18 months ago. Yep when I gave him the ultimatum, he was with her. They have a whole life together.

She is 20 years younger than he is.

We spoke on the phone and while speaking she was looking through his phone. There are multiple women. All that age. It’s been going on for years with them.

How he has time to run a company I do not know.

So here I am, 12 years on. In utter shock. And that poor girl. I didn’t know what to say to her, I could only assure her there has been nothing intimate between us since before she met him. Unfortunately he has been with others.

i honestly would have told you he was my best friend. His behaviour had been odd yes, but I never thought for a moment it was like this.

His last messages to me were how he had an okay day today, hadn’t done much. They are on holiday!!!

I get that in some ways I deserve this. But she doesn’t. He obviously was putting his wedding ring on to meet me! How messed up is that. Or maybe he wasn’t married then anymore?!

And I’m guessing when we were actually in an intimate relationship he was shagging these other women. I really had no idea. He would beg me not to leave him as he was so unhappy but had no idea how to leave without losing his children/business.

Desperately need to sleep but had to get all that out. It’s like an episode of eastenders.

OP posts:
Usernamechange1234 · 04/03/2024 06:33

Weird you feel so much ‘sympathy’ for his girlfriend of less that two years but none for the wife you helped him abuse for years.

Cheat and liar - lies and cheats shocker! i really don’t get why you ever even thought he was a good man when you knew what he was putting his poor wife and by proxy his children through?

honeyandbutterontoast · 04/03/2024 06:35

In his sphere he is very important.

yes I was vulnerable. Abused by my ex I was terrified of men (I don’t say that lightly), I thought he was a good person.

I idolised him for years (yes I know that’s ridiculous) and since Covid (when my business failed and i lost the house), the gloss had gone a bit. But I still believed he was my best friend.

OP posts:
BananaSpanner · 04/03/2024 06:38

I have sympathy for you OP. What an awful man.

honeyandbutterontoast · 04/03/2024 06:41

Usernamechange1234 · 04/03/2024 06:33

Weird you feel so much ‘sympathy’ for his girlfriend of less that two years but none for the wife you helped him abuse for years.

Cheat and liar - lies and cheats shocker! i really don’t get why you ever even thought he was a good man when you knew what he was putting his poor wife and by proxy his children through?

I believed he was in an abusive marriage as well, albeit a different kind.

OP posts:
BunniesRUs · 04/03/2024 06:41

Sorry OP x

fauconberg · 04/03/2024 06:41

If you feel like this imagine how his wife and children feel because of what you did to them. You knowingly colluded in abusing them for twelve years. You are upset because you are rejected and in a similar position to the one you put her in, not because of all the other women.

SloaneStreetVandal · 04/03/2024 06:42

honeyandbutterontoast · 04/03/2024 06:35

In his sphere he is very important.

yes I was vulnerable. Abused by my ex I was terrified of men (I don’t say that lightly), I thought he was a good person.

I idolised him for years (yes I know that’s ridiculous) and since Covid (when my business failed and i lost the house), the gloss had gone a bit. But I still believed he was my best friend.

He fooled you in to thinking you were akin - ie both in doomed marriages. In reality, he was no better than your husband.

As PP's have suggested, you need to ask yourself why you stuck with him when it became clear you weren't akin. And you will need to work on that, to prevent being taken advantage of again.

Scrambledchickens · 04/03/2024 06:44

Wow, don’t be surprised if he does turn up. He is not important, stop repeating his conditioning of you. He is a horrible liar and you have to undo all you believe about him. He was never your friend, women are just toys to him.

Beautiful3 · 04/03/2024 06:45

Well now you know. Just block him and never talk to him again. I don't think you're capable of ending emails with him, if it's left open. He play you and all those other women too. Don't feel bad, it happened. At least now you know officially where you stand. Find a hobby in the evening to distract you from thinking about him. Don't ever make a big financial decision without seeing the loyalty first. When he never moved in with you, that was the sign to block him forever. But you're human, and we do make mistakes. I wish you all the best with moving on from him.

honeyandbutterontoast · 04/03/2024 06:45

Scrambledchickens · 04/03/2024 06:44

Wow, don’t be surprised if he does turn up. He is not important, stop repeating his conditioning of you. He is a horrible liar and you have to undo all you believe about him. He was never your friend, women are just toys to him.

I meant important as in famous in his field. Well known.
That at least isn’t a lie.

Although quite how he manages it with umpteen women on the go I have no idea.

OP posts:
Gettingbysomehow · 04/03/2024 06:45

Oh dear. I've met men like this before over the years. Went out with one very briefly.
They are compulsive liars who separate their lives into compartments. Each compartment with a different woman. I,m convinced its some kind of mental illness. They even appear to believe their own lies.
Move on. It's a shame this went on so long. They are usually caught out earlier.
Men like this can't be changed.

FaiIureToLunch · 04/03/2024 06:52

You’d bought a house together and your kids had never met him?

Bestyearever2024 · 04/03/2024 06:53

honeyandbutterontoast · 04/03/2024 06:41

I believed he was in an abusive marriage as well, albeit a different kind.

His poor poor wife

I hope she's OK now. I hope she's able to move on

It must have been terrible for her

And his children. I hope they're OK. I hope they are happy now and are living fulfilling lives

@Usernamechange1234 I do hope you now understand that he wanted/wants power over you, it made him feel good to have that power and control over your life. You allowed him to have that power

Hopefully for you, you have now stopped empowering him

Roselilly36 · 04/03/2024 06:54

Sorry you are upset, but am surprised you are shocked tbh OP. A man that can lie to his wife, and tell even more lies (particularly the oldest ones in a cheat vocabulary) my wife doesn’t understand me etc. I will leave when the children are older etc. the truth here is wife has finally chuck him out (who could blame her) so he has moved in with the younger model. He will continue to cheat and lie. Tale as old as time. Honestly OP, don’t sell yourself short, find a single man that he free to love and care for you. Wishing you well for the future, don’t look back.Flowers good luck.

ChanelNo19EDT · 04/03/2024 06:54

Wow, I can't believe he went so far as to buy a house with you and then pull out on the day of completion. I couldn't have looked at him after that..

I'd say to yourself, his wife is welcome to him. He's a piece of shit.

You have to cut that cord now, forever. Focus on healing. X

Bestyearever2024 · 04/03/2024 06:55

Sorry - @honeyandbutterontoast not @Usernamechange1234

SloaneStreetVandal · 04/03/2024 06:55

honeyandbutterontoast · 04/03/2024 06:45

I meant important as in famous in his field. Well known.
That at least isn’t a lie.

Although quite how he manages it with umpteen women on the go I have no idea.

He manages it because he's a lunatic. You're still viewing him through the prism of normality, thus your first step to healing needs to be acceptance that you were in a non relationship with an incredibly disturbed man. He is feeling none of the 'normal' emotions of loss or regret - he genuinely won't be giving you a thought. Sorry, but that is the harsh reality.

HollyJollyHolidays · 04/03/2024 06:57

I do feel sorry for you but seriously how naive can you be? Horrible wake up call for you, but I honestly think it’s what you needed.

Why would you feel sorry for a grown bloke having an m&s ready meal? Or not seeing a dog? This would make most people eye-roll not feel sad for him.

He sounds like a nob, an an obvious one at that, but you’ve seen what you wanted to see all this years rather than what would likely to be obvious to others. I would focus on why that is and look to sort yourself out.

honeyandbutterontoast · 04/03/2024 06:59

I saw him as a friend, and stupidly attributed normal emotions to him. I would have been very sad if I couldn’t see my dog. So in my (stupid) view he was sad. And I felt sorry for him!! I also felt sorry that he missed his kids, but I doubt he does!

12 years of friendship, of good morning and good night and every hour in between of messages. I thought we were friends.

OP posts:
ChanelNo19EDT · 04/03/2024 07:01

I had a similar post abuse experience of a man who talk softly, never insisted, never shouted, but I realised in time that everything suited him. I had fallen in to old pattern of disguising my needs,being ashamed of them, fitting in around his determination not to commit. I dumped him quite suddenly. Just SAW it through an epiphany-lens, ended it quickly. He wasn't sad. He was angry.

It's a tough to date after an abusive relationship. You think you"ve met somebody different but you're still in that pattern of fitting in around somebody else's agenda, still not honouring your own agenda (to meet somebody who is certain about you).

Xx

RantyAnty · 04/03/2024 07:02

honeyandbutterontoast · 04/03/2024 04:47

Absolutely screwed.

For the last 18 months he’s said he will help sort it all out. That I need to stop worrying and rely on him more. Thankfully I didn’t rely on him!!!

Meanwhile he's bought a lovely new house and apparently been sending hefty financial gifts to all these other women too.

Have you thought about suing him for the money you have lost?

RantyAnty · 04/03/2024 07:04

honeyandbutterontoast · 04/03/2024 06:23

I’m too ashamed.
im ashamed of myself for believing he was my friend. For all the sacrifices I made and omg there were so many.
I don’t want my DC dragged into this either. Or his.
In his world he is very well known. I didn’t know that when I met him, or for a long while after. He was just my friend, I had no clue that he was important.

At least get the money he used you for back even if you don't tell the media maybe he will just give you what he owes you to shut you up.

RedHelenB · 04/03/2024 07:06

honeyandbutterontoast · 04/03/2024 02:46

I’m so worried she will take him back. He is clearly such a good liar and she is so young :(

If you were gullible enough to waste your time with a married man all these years despite his actions showing he wouldn't move in with you ever, then she might be the same. You cheated too, some would say karma. I don't think you're worried about this woman that rang you just upset he moved in with her and not you.

lifebeginsaftercoffee · 04/03/2024 07:08

I really struggle to feel sorry for you when you knowingly stayed with him for so long believing he was married with a family.

I think you're embarrassed that you fell for such an obvious amount of bullshit and hurt that he still didn't pick you at the end of it all.

SasumaFan · 04/03/2024 07:12

Was he even ever married? Are you sure that wasn't an invention to keep stringing you along while not committing himself?