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Am in utter shock

756 replies

honeyandbutterontoast · 04/03/2024 02:09

Will start by saying this is an OW thread. So I’m not asking for sympathy, I’m just in utter utter shock.

Twelve years ago I met someone. We were both married. We fell in love (I thought). My DH was a bad man, I’m not excusing myself but he was. I divorced him, took the bare minimum and waited for OM to do the same.

He didn’t. For years it went on, his excuses, so I wouldn’t see him, he begged me to be patient. I was his soulmate, his best friend, etc etc etc. And I loved him so much.

We bought a house together, he decided on completion day that he couldn’t leave her. I was in a financial mess for years over that.

In Oct 22 I gave him an ultimatum (this date is important), he had to leave her or we couldn’t speak anymore (up till this point we emailed and texted multiple times a day). He said he couldn’t leave her, couldn’t be without his kids. He went away on holiday with them.

Stupidly we stayed in touch “as friends”. Daily he would ask to see me. He would tell me he wanted to be with me, no matter what would make it happen.

(Sorry this is an essay)

Last spring we saw each other for lunch a couple of times. Something was off but I couldn’t work out what, he seemed depressed. I started dating again and told him we could only be friends.

In the summer he sent me a photo and I noticed he didn’t have a wedding ring on! He told me he had “recently” left his wife but didn’t know how to tell me. That he wasn’t sure if we should move in together straight away (!!) or just get to know each other as single people.

We met for lunch a couple of times, he had endless excuses why I couldn’t see his new flat. It all seemed odd but somehow plausible. We last saw each other in October but carried on messaging multiple times a day, chatting about everything. Or so I thought.

He told me he was very depressed and unhappy. Needed time to get used to life alone. I truly believed he was unhappy, possibly even suicidal at times.

This evening I received a message. From his girlfriend. Who he lives with. Who he had told he was separated when he met her 18 months ago. Yep when I gave him the ultimatum, he was with her. They have a whole life together.

She is 20 years younger than he is.

We spoke on the phone and while speaking she was looking through his phone. There are multiple women. All that age. It’s been going on for years with them.

How he has time to run a company I do not know.

So here I am, 12 years on. In utter shock. And that poor girl. I didn’t know what to say to her, I could only assure her there has been nothing intimate between us since before she met him. Unfortunately he has been with others.

i honestly would have told you he was my best friend. His behaviour had been odd yes, but I never thought for a moment it was like this.

His last messages to me were how he had an okay day today, hadn’t done much. They are on holiday!!!

I get that in some ways I deserve this. But she doesn’t. He obviously was putting his wedding ring on to meet me! How messed up is that. Or maybe he wasn’t married then anymore?!

And I’m guessing when we were actually in an intimate relationship he was shagging these other women. I really had no idea. He would beg me not to leave him as he was so unhappy but had no idea how to leave without losing his children/business.

Desperately need to sleep but had to get all that out. It’s like an episode of eastenders.

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honeyandbutterontoast · 04/03/2024 04:26

I moved a while back and wouldn’t give him my address. I didn’t want him to turn up here, because he was still married and I wanted to try and move on.

Theres more of a back story than that, but that’s the gist.

So when I first asked to see his flat he said no, because he hadn’t been allowed to know where I lived. Which I thought was a tad childish but it kind of made sense. Then there were other excuses. Which also kind of made sense at the time.

Because stupidly I trusted him.

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Katbum · 04/03/2024 04:31

So the lying cheat you cheated with turned out to be…a lying cheat. Can’t understand the shock tbh.

RiderofRohan · 04/03/2024 04:31

I can't believe you danced the dance for 12 years. You bought a house with him which he didn't complete and this put you under financial strain. He point-blank refused to leave his DW for years.

I know women put up with shit for a man but this level?!

I don't feel sorry for the young girlfriend. Plenty of time for her to sort her life out. I feel sorry for you though.

ttcat37 · 04/03/2024 04:38

Here endeth the lesson of why you don’t fuck other women’s husbands.

honeyandbutterontoast · 04/03/2024 04:40

Yep I was that stupid.

For years a friend of mine told me he was abusing me. That what he did was a form of abuse. I couldn’t see it, to me abuse was what my marriage was. This was a man who was trying to do the right thing but was so busy with work he barely had time to see me, so sad about potentially ruining his children’s lives, so in need of someone to understand him etc etc.

Financially he has ruined me. Absolutely. I forgave him for that. Because he was so sorry and would make it up to me,

I left my exDH with the hope of a new life, more children. Obviously those dreams ended when I got too old. I forgave him for that too.

I don’t know why I was so stupid. The man I thought I knew doesn’t even exist.

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Sceptical123 · 04/03/2024 04:40

Katbum · 04/03/2024 04:31

So the lying cheat you cheated with turned out to be…a lying cheat. Can’t understand the shock tbh.

This. OW are always so surprised when it happens to them with these men. Why?

honeyandbutterontoast · 04/03/2024 04:41

ttcat37 · 04/03/2024 04:38

Here endeth the lesson of why you don’t fuck other women’s husbands.

Yes I get this totally. Karma and all that. I deserve it.

But it’s all the other women who have been hurt too. I’m guessing most of them thought he was single.

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Ridiculous24 · 04/03/2024 04:43

How are you financially now?

honeyandbutterontoast · 04/03/2024 04:47

Ridiculous24 · 04/03/2024 04:43

How are you financially now?

Absolutely screwed.

For the last 18 months he’s said he will help sort it all out. That I need to stop worrying and rely on him more. Thankfully I didn’t rely on him!!!

Meanwhile he's bought a lovely new house and apparently been sending hefty financial gifts to all these other women too.

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Josette77 · 04/03/2024 04:47

You have children who endured an abusive marriage and have mental health issues and you bought a house with this man while he was married??? Were you planning on moving him in with your kids???

I'm trying really hard here to have empathy.

I understand you are shocked and upset and I'm sorry for that.

I don't understand how you behaved like his for so long though. Did you ever think about his wife and kids?

Loubelle70 · 04/03/2024 04:49

Delete all messages..all emails... block him on all platforms. I had a relationship for 25 years that was built on lies...his lies.

honeyandbutterontoast · 04/03/2024 04:50

I just don’t understand why he didn’t let me walk away.

I started dating a lovely man last summer and then he sent me the ring less photo and it all went from there.

oh.

He knew that would make me see him again.

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honeyandbutterontoast · 04/03/2024 04:55

Josette77 · 04/03/2024 04:47

You have children who endured an abusive marriage and have mental health issues and you bought a house with this man while he was married??? Were you planning on moving him in with your kids???

I'm trying really hard here to have empathy.

I understand you are shocked and upset and I'm sorry for that.

I don't understand how you behaved like his for so long though. Did you ever think about his wife and kids?

The plan was I would renovate the house while he lived in a flat and over the course of a year or so he would get to know my DC.

I refused for him to move straight in, which I think is what the issue was.

I don’t need you to have empathy for me. I’m fully aware I should have ended things years ago.

And yes I thought of them, it’s why I would refuse to see him for months/years at times. I wanted his marriage to be happy, I wanted his dc to have a dad there. So many times I wanted to walk away but he needed me to be his friend. He was struggling. He was sad. He was lonely. When clearly he was perfectly fine.

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ChiefEverythingOfficer · 04/03/2024 04:57

honeyandbutterontoast · 04/03/2024 02:31

According to her he isn’t depressed. They had the perfect life. Very very happy.

I feel like such a fool. A couple of weeks ago I stayed up all night talking to him when he was stuck in an airport waiting for a flight. I was the only person who understood him apparently. His only friend.

clearly I never understood him.

I just want to curl up and die

Oh no you bloody don't. Want to curl up and die, that is.

Hold yourself responsible for the things you could have / did or did not control. Do NOT take emotional accountability for the lies of a psychopath. His lies far exceed almost anything imaginable.

There is no way you could have known the true depths of this man's dishonesty. Your future bar needs to be higher but now is not the time for self recrimination.

Pull yourself tall. Block him in every possible way, invest in some counselling. Punish him the best possible way - by demonstrating in real terms that you are not his village idiot.

Vote with your feet. Your heart will follow.

honeyandbutterontoast · 04/03/2024 04:58

I have a ton of emails from last May time when he is telling me he has to change his life, has to move out as soon as dc exams are over. That he can’t live this way anymore. Asking what he should do.

He had already moved out and was living with someone!!!

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ttcat37 · 04/03/2024 04:59

honeyandbutterontoast · 04/03/2024 04:41

Yes I get this totally. Karma and all that. I deserve it.

But it’s all the other women who have been hurt too. I’m guessing most of them thought he was single.

No it isn’t. Don’t make out you care about other women, you were knowingly sleeping with and trying to break up a marriage and family for 12 years.

ChiefEverythingOfficer · 04/03/2024 05:02

ttcat37 · 04/03/2024 04:59

No it isn’t. Don’t make out you care about other women, you were knowingly sleeping with and trying to break up a marriage and family for 12 years.

And of the man. What was his role here?

As it transpires, he may not even have stayed married. Talk about double jeopardy. He lied about being married to his mistress so she wouldn't suspect he had another girlfriend. I suspect he thought himself rather clever.

thrwy22 · 04/03/2024 05:04

I'm so shocked just reading all that. And I am so so sorry for you. What a betrayal, wow. it reads like a movie plot. Yes you have been stupid, but who hasn't made stupid decisions in this life. You didn't deserve this.

Never contact this man again. Get yourself into therapy asap and be thankful that his deception was shown to you in such a final way. The other option was that you were going to spend the next decade still waiting for him. So thank f*ck this women called you.

Go out with your friends, spend a few days having a pity party feeling sorry for yourself as you do deserve it. Then pull yourself together and get on with your NEW beautiful life.

honeyandbutterontoast · 04/03/2024 05:05

I will take 50% of the blame. And actually I do feel guilt. It’s why so many times I tried to end it. But yeah I was weak. He was my friend. I thought.

And I wasn’t technically his mistress anymore.

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honeyandbutterontoast · 04/03/2024 05:08

I can’t afford therapy. Or a life to be honest.

i will carry on for my DC because I have to but this has broken me. For there to be so many layers of lies.

It was an utter shock when she messaged me, but yes it was big and final.

I just hope she is okay. She had locked herself in the bathroom and he was trying to break down the door. Telling her I was a liar who would twist everything.

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honeyandbutterontoast · 04/03/2024 05:12

I haven’t had sex for over 2 years.

I dated but he said how sad it was to think of me being with someone else. He understood I wouldn’t wait for him because he had let me down so many times, but it made him so unhappy. Because the only person he ever wanted was me and HE would rather never have sex again if we couldn’t be together.

Well clearly not, hey!!!

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MiltonNorthern · 04/03/2024 05:16

Wow. He's an utter sociopath.
I don't want to kick you while you're down, so I won't. It will take time for you to recover from this. Delete and block EVERYTHING and stop thinking about this other woman or any other woman he's messed around. Time to tend your own garden, after spending years focusing on this man.

pikkumyy77 · 04/03/2024 05:22

You have had a lucky escape. It is devastating but the only thing worse than finding out is if you never had found out.

Ilovelurchers · 04/03/2024 05:22

Trying to break down the door? He sounds terrifying, seriously. I hope she calls the police and gets him kicked out of the house.

This may all be for the best OP tho I know it doesn't feel like it. You have been stuck for a long time due to this man - now perhaps in time you can move on, and meet somebody truly available (and not sociopathic ....)

oakleaffy · 04/03/2024 05:24

MiltonNorthern · 04/03/2024 05:16

Wow. He's an utter sociopath.
I don't want to kick you while you're down, so I won't. It will take time for you to recover from this. Delete and block EVERYTHING and stop thinking about this other woman or any other woman he's messed around. Time to tend your own garden, after spending years focusing on this man.

THIS.
@honeyandbutterontoast You must block this psycho.
Change your email address, delete ALL his emails, expunge all traces of this hideous man from your life.

I didn't have therapy, but read a book called ''Women who love too much'' - that helped.

Complete withdrawal is the only way.

DO NOT have any contact.