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Possible TAAT but men who post here.

162 replies

MrsTerryPratchett · 28/02/2024 15:08

I'm a tiny bit suspicious that men who post here sometimes do it to coerce or learn how to coerce their DP or DW. One very recent thread was up for what, an hour, before it was withdrawn by the author. All very respectful posts disagreeing with him. MNHQ deleted it though. TAAT but also about lots of threads.

My worry is that he wanted to show his DW. LOOK women agree with me.

I don't know what my point is, and I'm not one of the people who wants to ban men. Maybe that we should be careful.

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FleurdeLiane · 02/03/2024 08:47

Yep, And the narrative is always about their rights, their entitlements. Never a reflex to stop and pause what might genuiely be in the best interests of young children, or children with special needs. No, their wants must come first.

Phobiaphobic · 02/03/2024 09:35

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I think we all know many men hate women having spaces of their own. Or sports, for that matter.

Phobiaphobic · 02/03/2024 09:43

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PaintedEgg · 02/03/2024 09:47

@NorthernJim you know what... you're right. We all hate men here and we're all crazy. better save yourself and find a more coddling...i mean accommodating site /s

BIWI · 02/03/2024 09:52

I'd just like to point out that I AM NOT A MAN! The post upthread by Keepithidden has c+p another quote, which quotes me. The implication of that mistake being that I'm also one of the men.

Just to make it clear ...

Coshei · 02/03/2024 10:12

dimllaishebiaith · 02/03/2024 08:39

The issue is that there is a general theme of men coming on the relationships board to complain that they never get to see their children because of their "crazy ex"

They never want to listen to the answer- to to court for custody- they just want female validation that their ex is in the wrong and preferrably women to do the mental work of telling them how to get around the law

I've never yet seen a woman post on here about how her abusive ex has custody of the kids but she just can't go to court for a whole list of spurious reasons yet apparently the country is littered with crazy mothers abusing their children and fathers who can't do anything about it

If the thread goes for long enough there are a few men who hang around who like to jump in and claim that it's impossible, the family courts are biased against men and that women are "using" domestic violence shelters to gain the courts sympathy. If they post for long enough it's clear to see why a DV shelter was needed.

And quite frankly the word crazy has been weaponised against women for generations. If the women are abusive call them abusive. If the women have mental health problems say that. But men moaning about crazy women just sound bitter that they can't lock women up in a mental institution any more when they are bored with them

To be fair I generally can’t be bothered with the relationship board but have commented on the odd thread when it showed on the main page. The reason I have no interest in it is because I think that a lot of the OPs are disingenuous but I also find a lot of the responses unhelpful and often toxic. This applies to both male and female posters btw because everyone seems to have an abuse or crazy ex at this stage.

It wouldn’t occur to me to post any relationship questions or queries there, but I also know that I am “lucky” enough not to have any custody issues with my ex because she has zero interest in her daughter.

LittleGreenDragons · 02/03/2024 10:32

BIWI · 02/03/2024 09:52

I'd just like to point out that I AM NOT A MAN! The post upthread by Keepithidden has c+p another quote, which quotes me. The implication of that mistake being that I'm also one of the men.

Just to make it clear ...

Apologies @BIWI I should have c/p the other posters name too instead of being lazy and hoping the "show user history " line would make it obvious there were two posters in that quote ( and very clearly showing one female, one male). I'll make sure I don't do that again.

dimllaishebiaith · 02/03/2024 10:37

Coshei · 02/03/2024 10:12

To be fair I generally can’t be bothered with the relationship board but have commented on the odd thread when it showed on the main page. The reason I have no interest in it is because I think that a lot of the OPs are disingenuous but I also find a lot of the responses unhelpful and often toxic. This applies to both male and female posters btw because everyone seems to have an abuse or crazy ex at this stage.

It wouldn’t occur to me to post any relationship questions or queries there, but I also know that I am “lucky” enough not to have any custody issues with my ex because she has zero interest in her daughter.

I have never/rarely seen a woman refer to her ex as "crazy". Abusive, yet, mental health issues etc yes. But crazy is a word that is generally used by men about women and has generations of implications around hysteria etc around it.

Margaritavillee · 02/03/2024 11:30

I have to say I’m wary of some men posting on here. A couple of months ago I posted about DP getting something wrong. Nothing major I just wanted to know how to rectify it. A man then messaged me privately to offer support and then randomly told me about his wife and their sexless marriage. I didn’t respond as it made me uncomfortable, it felt like I was being goaded into a conversation about sex

BIWI · 02/03/2024 11:44

No problem @LittleGreenDragons - just didn't want the horror of being seen as a man!

@Margaritavillee I hope you reported that poster/PM?

Margaritavillee · 02/03/2024 11:46

@BIWI i didn’t but wish I did. I was so alarmed as he sent two messages about the lack of sex so I just deleted them and hoped he wouldn’t message again

Lighteningstrikes · 02/03/2024 11:52

@MrsTerryPratchett
You raise a very good point and one that had never crossed my mind.

AgnesX · 02/03/2024 12:03

Keepithidden · 01/03/2024 13:43

There are certain subjects that are taboo, and may lead to "life change" moments if I expressed my thoughts.

Such as??

Keepithidden · 02/03/2024 12:17

AgnesX · 02/03/2024 12:03

Such as??

We aren't compatible in ways I feel are important. Leaving the elephant alone maintains the status quo. I'm not sure this is the thread to go into details though. I'm conscious as a man this may be a bit intruding. Just what OP and PP are concerned about really.

If you're interested I'm sure a search on my MN history could be useful.

MrsTerryPratchett · 02/03/2024 13:22

Margaritavillee · 02/03/2024 11:46

@BIWI i didn’t but wish I did. I was so alarmed as he sent two messages about the lack of sex so I just deleted them and hoped he wouldn’t message again

I reported my weirdo and MN did ban him. But yes, creepy PMs are another issue.

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desperatedaysareover · 02/03/2024 13:51

You might be right. Any online forum
could be manipulated and support can be weaponised.

Does anyone think men can reasonably expect advice or support from women on here? I have a lot to write and may use long words but I am nonetheless a woman and a long-time member 😬

Sometimes there are good-faith reasons for men to hear loud and clear what women think of other women’s behaviour.

I’ve got a sibling who’s been through two decades of misery with an abusive spouse. He found it incredibly difficult to see her behaviour for what it very clearly was. It’s sadly not uncommon for female abusers to claim to be victims themselves. It’s an effective form of silencing a victim and retaining control.

There have been some instructive, hopeful divorce threads on here (the ones with the British teacher in Normandy stand out) written by women in very similar circumstances to his. But for all the challenges they faced, there wasn’t that threat that effectively silences male victims: ‘you won’t be believed, and I will.’

I wish he could have had a tiny fraction of that support. It would have done him good; in the beginning, to have heard our voices say ‘hang on, this isn’t right,’ and going forward, ‘here’s some strategies,’ and now, ‘here’s how to deal with what you’re probably facing.’

However, I suspect if he’d posted as AbusedDad and got the predictable ‘yeah sounds like maybe you’re the arsehole’ replies, it would have done a great deal of harm. Abuse victims are easily set back.

If he was a woman there’d be so much more he could be reading to help him, but I’d hesitate to send him any thread (even ones that are closely comparable to his situation, but where the roles are reversed) because of the level of anti-male feeling on here. A vigorous re-application of the stick that’s been used to beat you is not going to help a vulnerable person.

The Freedom Programme was designed for people in his precise situation, but the language is such that I read through the online summaries and thought this might actually make things worse.

Male victims seem to be a forgotten minority. I understand why, I work with women who’ve been abused, considerably less often encounter the same victimisation with men, and know that women are much more likely to be victimised. They are smaller and less able to physically defend themselves, made more vulnerable by pregnancy and motherhood, more likely to be primarily responsible for children, disadvantaged in finance and find it logistically harder to escape. However, some men are trapped with women who actively wish them harm and use every weapon they can find to do so.

If anyone who has been a victim, has experience in assisting male victims, or knows of material that could help, reads this - please post.

TL;DR

some victims are men and sometimes MNetters can help, if you can please do.

Risun · 02/03/2024 14:50

Anyone know what happened to ShatnersWig? He was a terrific male poster, mind like a steel trap, but had rather poor health I think. I miss him.

GrammarGrunt · 02/03/2024 14:59

There's a male who took over quite a niche long running relationship as OP. Occasionally he posts in detail and it makes me uncomfortable. It does feel like a stick to run down his wife. He's occasionally been called out but most of the time just chimes in with a moan.
It's ruined what was very really useful pressure valve for me and now doesn't seem to get much traffic.

Pigletjohn however seems to just hit the right note.

Giggorata · 02/03/2024 19:59

I am at a loss to know why some comments on this thread have been deleted, especially the one that was requoted a few times.

PaintedEgg · 02/03/2024 20:07

@desperatedaysareover some victims are absolutely male and I got some nasty replies for siding with men in some of the described scenarios, or suggesting that what women were doing was unacceptable if a man did that - but on a whole, I am still dubious of men coming on here...because how? How does a man end up on a discussion board literally called Mumsnet?

Part of that is my own personal history - my ex posted at least twice on a discussion board I used to frequent and wrote about me. It was a clear manipulation tactic and I wonder how many men are similarly batshit crazy and the only reason they "ask for advice" is to get validation or in hopes their partner / ex will read how people agree with them.

NotTooOldPaul · 02/03/2024 20:33

YesThatsATurdOnTheRug · 28/02/2024 22:37

https://www.mumsnet.com/i/acronyms

hopefully that works!

Thanks for that list. I am a married man, I am 76 years old and love my wife who is the same age. I enjoy reading things on here.

Whiskerson · 02/03/2024 20:37

I always thought PigletJohn was a woman! Yes, even with "John" in the name 😂I really marvelled at "her" knowledge of building and DIY!

Nesbi · 02/03/2024 21:13

PaintedEgg · 02/03/2024 20:07

@desperatedaysareover some victims are absolutely male and I got some nasty replies for siding with men in some of the described scenarios, or suggesting that what women were doing was unacceptable if a man did that - but on a whole, I am still dubious of men coming on here...because how? How does a man end up on a discussion board literally called Mumsnet?

Part of that is my own personal history - my ex posted at least twice on a discussion board I used to frequent and wrote about me. It was a clear manipulation tactic and I wonder how many men are similarly batshit crazy and the only reason they "ask for advice" is to get validation or in hopes their partner / ex will read how people agree with them.

It’s the Uk’s best known parenting website, and weirdly enough the UK is full of men who are also doing parenting.

What other parenting forum are you likely to come across as a man (or should we leave parenting to our partners to research?).

PaintedEgg · 02/03/2024 21:48

Nesbi · 02/03/2024 21:13

It’s the Uk’s best known parenting website, and weirdly enough the UK is full of men who are also doing parenting.

What other parenting forum are you likely to come across as a man (or should we leave parenting to our partners to research?).

fair enough...

MrsTerryPratchett · 02/03/2024 22:08

What other parenting forum are you likely to come across as a man (or should we leave parenting to our partners to research?).

Why isn't there a male version? Since men run most of the internet. PP's point that you see all men on the Sex board and zero on the SEN boards should answer that question. Men could have supportive parenting and relationship websites. They don't. Not women's problem to solve.

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