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Is this financial abuse

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Liliana2323 · 22/02/2024 21:54

Hi, ill try to summarise as it's a long, 18yr story!

  • met when I was 22, hubby was 30
  • I had no assets, he had 2 rental properties
  • he got made redundant and suggested a move to Europe, I gave up my career and followed him
  • have both worked online for the last 15yrs
  • he bought house we're in outright. Not a million pound villa but a 200k huge renovation project. Both funded the renovations, he has done a lot of physical work on and off over the last 10 years
  • married with a prenup for his rental properties and the one we're living in
  • I started new business 7yrs ago, doing well
  • he hasn't worked for 18 months so far, nor done renovations (until a couple of weeks ago)
  • house still needs a lot of work, still dont even have 1 fully functioning bathroom!

So the main issue here is that he is quite financially controlling. We use his personal account for day to day bills and expenses, or my business card. my business dividends goes 50/50 to our personal accounts (as he set himself up as a 50% shareholder), then I have to immediately transfer mine to his account. If I go to the supermarket (rare, as he took over that role), or away for a family visit in the UK (twice a year max), he gives me a spare card in his name. He has a couple of loans we effectively both pay + savings, pension, investments and the 2 cars are both in his name.

This arrangement never felt quite right but whenever ive tried in the past to broach the subject it turns nasty and nothing ever changes, despite promises to have a joint account, him to invest money for me, me to have a pension etc it never happens.

It has come to a head for me really as we're 5 months pregnant with a first, long awaited baby. For the first 4 months he didn't seem interested at all, in fact he was quite difficult to be around and we had a lot of arguments with him saying quite horrific things about me/us. I felt terrible, had to sleep on an ancient mattress in the spare room (he snores) and generally uncared for and unsupported. Since Christmas he has in general been quite nice, despite a couple of nasty arguments.

I am thinking of whether to leave or not because i'm panicking about the future, whether we'll stay together, will I end up a single mum in a foreign country with an unfair custody situation and struggling to make ends meet, or should I go back to the UK and my family and friends. If I stayed abroad and we then divorced, I wouldn't be allowed to move back to the UK with my baby, unless he agreed.

I suppose i'm just wondering if this is really classed as financial abuse? Or just a stupid situation which has developed over the years, unintentionally?

I think i'm a bit of a pushover with him and I hate conflict. He's quite loud and aggressive so I have avoided the issue but enough is enough now, with a baby and our future to consider. I tried to talk about my concerns a few nights ago, he shouted a lot, told me he paid for this house and I should be grateful etc but nothing has changed since financially.

Thanks in advance for any thoughts!

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TwilightSkies · 03/03/2024 08:18

Please don’t be hard on yourself. You’ve just done a huge thing. You may feel like you have taken a step backwards but you’ve actually taken a massive step forward.
Focus on now x

anyolddinosaur · 03/03/2024 09:35

Keep reminding yourself he was abusive and controlling and he will still try to control you. You can move on now and make a good life with your daughter.

Liliana2323 · 03/03/2024 10:43

@whatsitcalledwhen thanks x to be honest, if he did, i'd have to say no! Don't worry, i've come this far and can't get dragged back over there, as beautiful as it is and I miss the good times and the animals I left. I suppose I just feel like maybe i'm unlovable as he hasnt tried. Maybe that's what he wants me to think. Or he's in shock. Most likely he is waiting to speak to a solicitor and biding time until tomorrow. I'm sure he has already spoken to someone as he's quickly trying to sort the finances out and make it look better on him but doubt he's been able to a proper meeting

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Liliana2323 · 03/03/2024 10:45

@anyolddinosaur yep. He also said he'd help me and his daughter get a mortgage or rent a place, using one of his houses to help guarantor it but then he'd still be in control of us

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Needanewnamebeingwatched · 03/03/2024 11:18

Keep moving forward and leave him in the past, for you and for your daughter x

anyolddinosaur · 03/03/2024 20:38

Typical of a controlling abusive man to want to still control you. If he wants to guarantee a roof over his child's head he can give you capital. He has had money have earned from your business and you were funding renovations.

Liliana2323 · 03/03/2024 22:55

@anyolddinosaur it's just total proof to me that he only cares about himself. I know i've hurt him and it's a terrible shock but I don't actually think he believes what he's been doing is wrong! Ties into him always blaming me in arguments and me wracking my brains trying to figure out why and thinking I was a horrible person as I was apparently always the bad guy

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Liliana2323 · 04/03/2024 08:36

@TwilightSkies he would have ticked most of those boxes when we lived in the UK as he had a good job etc but since moving to rural France he kinda mellowed a bit but most of the same traits are still there. He always thinks he's right, he knows how to do everything, everyone else is a bit stupid. I used to dread doing any renovations or anything with him as id always do it wrong lol but he could be really nice and appeared to be caring. It occurred to me last night at about 3am that I literally cannot remember the last time he said he loved me, like it has been years and im not even sure then that he ever did say it really.

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OhamIreally · 04/03/2024 08:47

Hopefully now that you are away from him you will have the space to order your thoughts and see more clearly how exploitative his behaviour was. Give yourself time to recover from what you've just been through.
So glad you are away from him.

Daftapath · 04/03/2024 14:15

I would imagine he mellowed once in France because you were then more isolated (from family and friends) and by then had learnt how to 'behave' in order to keep him happy.

savethatkitty · 04/03/2024 14:22

He doesn't sound very nice & with a baby coming and all, he'll be able to control you even more. I'm afraid I'd be on the first moped to freedom. Go back to your friends/family before it really is too late.

AutumnFroglets · 04/03/2024 19:23

but since moving to rural France he kinda mellowed a bit
That's because he had "trained" you enough not to disagree as much, plus you were further away from support.

I am so pleased you are in the UK with your parents. Under no circumstances should you return until the baby is born. If he wants to discuss anything face to face then he comes to the UK. Any "car accidents" and he neeeeds you etc then one of your parents goes first to recce the situation. Do not trust him, stay safe Flowers

Liliana2323 · 05/03/2024 07:42

@AutumnFroglets it's strange as he said on Friday on a message that he didn't want to speak for a few days as needed to process everything. On Sunday he sent me a message saying how he would continue to manage the business accounts until I said otherwise (he did 4 hours pm max). But i've heard nothing since. Obviously I hope he's OK but I thought he'd try to fix things and i'm surprised. I suppose taking some of the animals and leaving the country seemed quite final and maybe he didn't think he could achieve anything. Or he's hiding money.....

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AutumnFroglets · 05/03/2024 08:24

I'm surprised you have left him access to the business account, or have you moved most of the money out of it? I would also worry if he can take loans etc against it and leave you in huge amounts of debt... can you try and disentangle yourself as much as possible? Quite frankly he is not someone to be trusted over anything anymore.

I'm also surprised he hasn't tried getting you back - which makes me highly suspicious he's doing something in the background to punish you, like debt or destroying your business/contacts.

AdriftAbroad1 · 05/03/2024 08:34

Hes seen a lawyer been advised to be very low and careful contact and is filing for divorce. (IMO)

You need to see a lawyer asap.

AdriftAbroad1 · 05/03/2024 08:37

There is a reason husbands like this "suggest a move to Europe"
(as I have found out)

Daftapath · 05/03/2024 12:44

I would be making moves asap to remove his access to any business accounts and for him to hand over any shares he has in your company as well as resign any directorships, etc. I would also instruct the accountant that he/she is not to discuss your business with your xh any more and that all correspondence must only go through you.

I don't have any business knowledge to advise how to do the above but I'm sure you can find someone to advise.

Codlingmoths · 05/03/2024 12:57

You need to get him off everything to do with your company asap. You cannot afford to wait even half a day, he willl be plotting.

annielouisa · 05/03/2024 13:25

Please cut off his access to your business accounts he will bleed you dry and make you and your DC suffer. He will want to punish you for daring to stand up to him. Protect yourself now please.

TwilightSkies · 07/03/2024 07:45

Hope all is ok OP

MotherJessAndKittens · 07/03/2024 08:27

Try and go to Woman’s Aid and they will help arrange things - suggest a solicitor who is experienced in dealing with this. Only contact him through your solicitor. Also citizens advice will help. Now you are safe please don’t blame yourself. You are the brave one and your baby will need you to be strong. Well done for making the move x

Hont1986 · 07/03/2024 12:09

Sad he hasn't fought to bring me back to be honest

To be fair, that is not the message you sent him. Going to stay in a hotel for a few days is 'fight to win me back'. Leaving the country with all your pets is 'our marriage is over'.

Summerhillsquare · 07/03/2024 12:44

Crikey OP get lawyered up quick, but be prepared to start from scratch and it sounds like he will drag it out and be a dick about it.

Liliana2323 · 08/03/2024 08:27

@Summerhillsquare thanks. I spoke to a solicitor a few weeks ago and they filed for divorce as soon as I was back in the UK. He will get the court notification in a week or two. He's being nice at the moment of course. The reason he still has access to the bank account is because he set it up, I can't actually remove him, but he has agreed on message not to take anything from it and in the solicitor's letter, she asks him to give it to me along with his shares. Technically she can't make him do it without a court order, which would take time 😬 im dreading him receiving the letter. I feel so bad about leaving so suddenly. He reckons I should have talked to him and he'd have helped me?! I thought it was the best option as I was kinda in flight mode, but the damage i've done is irreversible 😥 i have almost an anxiety attack every time I think of it. Wish id tried to handle it differently 🙈

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