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Is this financial abuse

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Liliana2323 · 22/02/2024 21:54

Hi, ill try to summarise as it's a long, 18yr story!

  • met when I was 22, hubby was 30
  • I had no assets, he had 2 rental properties
  • he got made redundant and suggested a move to Europe, I gave up my career and followed him
  • have both worked online for the last 15yrs
  • he bought house we're in outright. Not a million pound villa but a 200k huge renovation project. Both funded the renovations, he has done a lot of physical work on and off over the last 10 years
  • married with a prenup for his rental properties and the one we're living in
  • I started new business 7yrs ago, doing well
  • he hasn't worked for 18 months so far, nor done renovations (until a couple of weeks ago)
  • house still needs a lot of work, still dont even have 1 fully functioning bathroom!

So the main issue here is that he is quite financially controlling. We use his personal account for day to day bills and expenses, or my business card. my business dividends goes 50/50 to our personal accounts (as he set himself up as a 50% shareholder), then I have to immediately transfer mine to his account. If I go to the supermarket (rare, as he took over that role), or away for a family visit in the UK (twice a year max), he gives me a spare card in his name. He has a couple of loans we effectively both pay + savings, pension, investments and the 2 cars are both in his name.

This arrangement never felt quite right but whenever ive tried in the past to broach the subject it turns nasty and nothing ever changes, despite promises to have a joint account, him to invest money for me, me to have a pension etc it never happens.

It has come to a head for me really as we're 5 months pregnant with a first, long awaited baby. For the first 4 months he didn't seem interested at all, in fact he was quite difficult to be around and we had a lot of arguments with him saying quite horrific things about me/us. I felt terrible, had to sleep on an ancient mattress in the spare room (he snores) and generally uncared for and unsupported. Since Christmas he has in general been quite nice, despite a couple of nasty arguments.

I am thinking of whether to leave or not because i'm panicking about the future, whether we'll stay together, will I end up a single mum in a foreign country with an unfair custody situation and struggling to make ends meet, or should I go back to the UK and my family and friends. If I stayed abroad and we then divorced, I wouldn't be allowed to move back to the UK with my baby, unless he agreed.

I suppose i'm just wondering if this is really classed as financial abuse? Or just a stupid situation which has developed over the years, unintentionally?

I think i'm a bit of a pushover with him and I hate conflict. He's quite loud and aggressive so I have avoided the issue but enough is enough now, with a baby and our future to consider. I tried to talk about my concerns a few nights ago, he shouted a lot, told me he paid for this house and I should be grateful etc but nothing has changed since financially.

Thanks in advance for any thoughts!

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Liliana2323 · 02/03/2024 00:14

Hi everyone, I can't thank you enough for all of your support. I've just got into bed in a roadside hotel after a loooong day and not much sleep last night, with my amazing, loyal dog on the floor next to me and baby moving around inside me! I cried and thought id never stop. The feeling off loss and sadness for having upset him 😢 I just have to keep reminding myself that there's no way id have got to this point of I didn't have to. Typically, the first things he said to me on messages after reading my letter were "I can't belive you've taken my daughter, ive always wanted to be a father" and "we have a prenup so I will get that sorted asap".....🙄 money is always at the forefront of his mind, it's his god

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AutumnFroglets · 02/03/2024 00:41

Well done on getting this far, but I beg you to put him on block until you are with your parents back home. It's all too easy not to get on that plane when you read messages. It will only be for 24 hours.

The feeling off loss and sadness for having upset him
No. The feeling of loss and sadness is you grieving over your hopes and dreams. The future that you thought you were going to have. The man that was part of those dreams was just an illusion, he was not real. It is fine to grieve over the ending of a relationship, it can be healthy, but what isn't healthy is grieving over an abusive and cruel "partner" who will never support or love you or that beautiful child you carry.

R41nb0wR0se · 02/03/2024 01:01

Firstly, well done!
Secondly, please follow PP's advice and block his number, at least until you're back in the UK.
You can do this!

Codlingmoths · 02/03/2024 01:17

Oh so well done. Now you MUST get on that plane. You cannot risk staying. He will not be nice to his daughter or a good dad. He will yell and shout and control her and tell her it’s his fault he’s mad. He doesn’t care about you- he’s thinking of moving to be close to a friend? You don’t get any friends, any pub nights, and he doesn’t care. Go. Leave. The only safe space to have your daughter is in the uk.

delphi13 · 02/03/2024 01:24

What a strong woman you are! You've done absolutely the right thing, I know the first few days are hard and inevitably you will feel sad and question what you've done. I promise it gets easier. The longer you are away from the isolation they put you in, the more you can see what they were doing was abhorrent.

Hopefully tomorrow you will be fully home with your parents no things will be better.

I agree that you should block him for now. I hope he can't track your phone?

Stay strong and congratulate yourself on doing this for yourself and your daughter.

TwilightSkies · 02/03/2024 06:05

Well done OP!
You’ll see by his actions over the coming months that you have 100% done the right thing getting away from him.
Im so glad you’ve done it!
Just be aware he’ll probably go from threatening suicide to sheer rage towards you. They all do, when they realise they have lost control over you.
Stay strong xxx

BurntOrangeAutumn · 02/03/2024 06:13

Very best of luck with your new life, please keep up updated!

Liliana2323 · 02/03/2024 06:24

Thanks everyone. I woke up feeling so sad 😞 I know what he was doing was wrong and he's brought a lot of this on himself but I still love him. I know I have to see this through but feel terrible. I wonder if his family hate me, or understand. It's painted me in a bad light, the sneaking around and sudden exit. He said I should have talked to him and he would have given me the money and helped me...not sure if that would have been the case in reality. He couldn't have physically stopped me. Maybe I handled this wrong but I was worried if he turned on the water works etc id never have seen it through. I just feel like I should have given him a chance to fix everything instead of bailing after 18 years regardless of the outcome for me😥he said not to contact him for a few days as he's too upset but he probably wants to speak to a solicitor on Monday I reckon, to protect his empire

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TwilightSkies · 02/03/2024 06:40

He’s had 18 years to treat you how you deserve to be treated, and he hasn’t done it. His behaviour towards you is a choice he made again and again. Stop feeling guilty! You tried talking to him in the past and he wasn’t interested in your feelings or your happiness.
If him texting you is making you wobble then block him until you get home.
You are doing amazingly!

Didsomeonesaydogs · 02/03/2024 06:56

Awesome advice from @TwilightSkies

Just to say that if you did not get independent legal advice on your prenup there’s a strong argument it may not be valid.

Liliana2323 · 02/03/2024 07:19

Thanks @Didsomeonesaydogs I did get some UK advice on this and the solicitor said it wasn't fair based on UK law, how it was put in place but also the outcome. This morning he's messaging me saying he's emailed his accountant about being taken off my business, will put me on his credit card to build my rating etc I know if I go down the challenging the prenup route, it's going to get very ugly.

I also had kinda hoped he'd get everything sorted and try to get me back but he's not mentioning that at all, I think because ive taken such a drastic step

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Shroedy · 02/03/2024 07:37

Congrats, OP. You've made the first step for a better life for you and your baby.

I would file for divorce in the UK as soon as possible. It's likely to be much more favourable to you based on what you've said so file first before he has the chance to file where he is.

TwilightSkies · 02/03/2024 07:43

After 18 years he hasn’t mentioned trying to get you back. It shows what his priorities are and have always been.
Just try and focus on you and the baby. She’s lucky to have such a strong mummy xx

Pashazade · 02/03/2024 08:19

It should be him begging you to come home to him. The drastic step should highlight how desperate you've become. But it's all about the money......don't wobble.

TwoWithCurls · 02/03/2024 08:22

You'll need to get a good lawyer and sue him for what is rightly yours. The prenup may not be valid, for example.

Mounttidyflowers · 02/03/2024 09:03

@AutumnFroglets speaks wise words here OP as do many other posters.

Wisging you good luck. Stay strong. You’ve got this.

Starspangledrodeopony · 02/03/2024 11:11

From all of us who’ve been there, you’re doing the right thing. He would never change. They never, ever do.

Just imagine if you hadn’t left, a few years down the line, you’re fleeing his abuse, you have nothing, and you legally have to leave your daughter behind… fuck that.

You’ve saved both of you and your animals from an old, abusive, lying alcoholic.

AdriftAbroad1 · 02/03/2024 13:49

Starspangledrodeopony · 02/03/2024 11:11

From all of us who’ve been there, you’re doing the right thing. He would never change. They never, ever do.

Just imagine if you hadn’t left, a few years down the line, you’re fleeing his abuse, you have nothing, and you legally have to leave your daughter behind… fuck that.

You’ve saved both of you and your animals from an old, abusive, lying alcoholic.

Yep. I am you 15years on.

In Spain though.

I have a postnup situation. Who knew?!

Abusive to DD as well as me. Has not spoken to her since we escaped 2years ago. Keeps delaying divorce.
Arrested and now with courts. He is horrendous.
Run run run while you can. Run for your daughter.

Liliana2323 · 02/03/2024 14:58

@AdriftAbroad1 that sounds awful! So are you still stuck there?

This where I feel like ive made a mountain out of a molehill, as he's not really horrific or violent.

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delphi13 · 02/03/2024 15:01

Liliana2323 · 02/03/2024 14:58

@AdriftAbroad1 that sounds awful! So are you still stuck there?

This where I feel like ive made a mountain out of a molehill, as he's not really horrific or violent.

I really don't think you've made a mountain out of a molehill. Just because he didn't hit you does not mean the way he has behaved hasn't been abuse. You've done the right thing. If he ever wanted to fix it, the ball is in his court to come to the uk and do things properly. Never go back to France!

AdriftAbroad1 · 02/03/2024 15:25

@Liliana2323 He DID NOT hit me. Domestic violence also is financal and emotional abuse.
It gets worse and worse. I managed to convince the police and judge. My DD helped massively. He controlled everything. Everything. As soon as I gave birth here.

This is domestic violence. Not just hitting.
This is a very wealthy upper middle class educated man.

I should have done exactly what you are doing now. Keep going.

AdriftAbroad1 · 02/03/2024 15:28

Yes, I am stuck here.
I would never disrupt DDs education at this point.(Not that I could)
Honestly, I could have written your OP. I mean it!

TwilightSkies · 03/03/2024 06:40

Checking in OP. Hope all is ok

Liliana2323 · 03/03/2024 07:39

@TwilightSkies hi, thanks for asking. Well im still in the UK. Woke up really upset again. Sad he hasn't fought to bring me back to be honest. What a waste of 18yrs. Now i'm sleeping in my mum and dad's house like it's 2006 again

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whatsitcalledwhen · 03/03/2024 07:47

OP if you're being really honest, if he had a change of tactic now and said he desperately wanted you to come back, would you go?

If so, I think it's crucial you have some counselling or call womens aid asap so that you can avoid that happening.

Because he may well change tactic soon and the thought of you going back there and then being stuck there is terrifying.

He is a dangerous man and it would be incredibly foolish, and selfish, to raise a baby under the same roof as him.

Flowers