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Husband horrible to me and children

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AmberV · 05/02/2024 13:50

Apologies in advance for the long message. Just the tip of the iceberg. My husband has always been demanding, suffocating, overbearing. When I moved in he wanted the toilet roll a certain way, the towels on the hand rail in the bathroom had to be perfectly level. He would always redo them after I did them. The curtains had to be pulled just so and every day he would redo them moaning and tutting. Like a fool I put up with it and thought he’s got ocd for cleanliness, it’s just ‘his way’.
After we had children I packed up work and it got worse he would want the house just so. Whatever I did it felt wrong. Now the children are 8 DS and 10 DD, he is so mean to our son, says he’s trying to toughen him up. When son got frustrated when he was around 4 or 5 if he lost at something or couldn’t do something he would roll on the floor beside himself hysterical upset, my husband would laugh and go and get the phone to record it which infuriated DS more. Last year it got to the point I could take no more, he shouted right in my face saying how pathetic I was in front of the children because I said that son didn’t want to ‘play fight’ anymore as it generally ended with him in tears. He would shout at them practically every day for not hanging up their coat or put their shoes away, when he really loses his temper they cower in the kitchen under the table or go and hide under their bed or under their bed covers. I spoke to doctor as I was a mess, they brought in the children and spoke to them, then reported it as safeguarding issue, they called SS and they came round, DS heard that we might get divorced and went into the kitchen, took a knife and said he was going to kill himself cos he was so upset. He blamed himself for SS getting involved because he had spoke out to the doctor and said what husband was doing. That was a year ago, things improved mildly, we still tread on egg shells, it still feels like he’s got two army recruits rather than children. I hate him. He still does the curtain thing, tells me all what cleaning I’ve missed doing round the house, opens cupboards and says loud enough for me to hear ‘ffs can’t even stack a cupboard, has no one taught you anything ’ same with the dishwasher, always redoes it. His way of attacking my mum for ‘apparently not teaching me anything or how to do things properly.’

Last week DS got to our door from school first and rung bell. Husband deliberately left sons bag at end of path so he had to go and get it, then he let DD in and then pushed in front of DS and took his time taking shoes off to make DS wait, son got infuriated by this and pushed into husband to shove him, then DS got angry and bit husband, husband screamed at him and walloped him round the head, the first time he has ever struck him , DS was beside himself, ran in and curled in a ball on the stairs. DD saw what happened and stood trembling in the hall, I tried to console them, all husband went on about was how he was the injured party. Yes he shouldn’t have bitten him but it was years of pent up rage coming out.

After I spoke to DS, he said ‘I just can’t stop thinking about it, I don’t know how my fathers not in prison’.

I confronted husband upstairs and he’s still raising his voice going I don’t know how you can take his side after what he did. He could not see how mean he had been not letting him in. My daughter heard me talking, him raising his voice and told him what she thought how she lives in fear how she has no safe place to go how she doesn’t feel safe at home. He would not even look at her while she poured her heart out and stared at the telly. This was Friday. Today he is acting liking nothing ever happened. Trying to buy the kids off again, like he does every time he treats them like shit. He said before if I ever filed for divorce he would fight me every step of the way and there’s no way he’d let me get custody.

When he is in a good mood, he’s fun, he takes them places, wouldn’t think twice about taking them away for the weekend, he’s generous with all of us. But he has an evil, mean nasty streak that even odd times when it’s not there you are always on heightened alert waiting for it. I very rarely go out as I don’t feel comfortable leaving them with him. I went out for lunch this week, he got them from school, I had a really nice time, I got in and they were both really upset cos he’d screamed at them. I have no life. My kids have no ‘normal’ life, they both suffer with anxiety, my DD has toileting problems since age 4 even now, they said it was behavioural. My DS has anger issues and throws smashes things when he’s frustrated or upset. They both are erratic and have nightmares , my DD struggles to go to sleep cos that’s when she thinks when lying in bed. To the outside world we are a ‘perfect’ family. Nice home. Holidays. Yet we live in hell.

I am seeking legal advice this week, I can’t do it to kids any longer, thing is they will be devastated as love the ‘nice dad’. Has anyone been through this and come out the other side?

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KL090 · 06/02/2024 08:33

Nice dad is also the cover up for his awful behaviour. Abusers know how to be nice too it is exactly what is meant to keep you off balance.

cerisepanther73 · 06/02/2024 08:50

@AmberV

🙏 please please Leave this Goddam awful abusive Prick of a man

He is an Arsehole

I have been in a very similar situation as yours not so long ago and really wished i had kicked him out of my life for good a long time ago and got the relevant support i desperately needed cause i didn't have enough family i had him in my life a lot longer than i should have,

He has created left in his wake a shit ton of psychological issues that he inflicted on to myself and my grown up children are struggling to deal with,

Your husband is psychologically so fucked up to such an extant that he needs extensive therapy and even then there is no gaurentees that would even work,

he proberly would manipulate the therapist into thinking he is just misunderstood type of guy and you are the one who is the wrong,

Don't be taking in by him saying that it's cause of what he experienced in his life has been detrimental to his mental health such as his childhood ect,

He is actively choosing to be nasty and abusive to you,
i bet he doesn't mistreat other people outside like he does to you,

Take care x

Get as much support as possible out there

cerisepanther73 · 06/02/2024 08:52

Typo mistake Family support

BananaCake35 · 06/02/2024 08:56

I have been the child in this situation. Please back bags and take your kids to somewhere safe right now, talk to the police, talk to woman's aid, get your kids into counselling, talk to their school. Please do the things I wish my mum had done.

RoachFish · 06/02/2024 09:20

I have recently divorced a similarly abusive person but we are still working on the financial settlement. Well I'm working on it, he has refused to participate completely for months now as he is the one with most money. It will go to court now and a judge will have to decide but the main thing is that it will be finished at some point even though it has taken a couple of years and it has been hard. He is a manipulative, financial, emotional, physical abuser.

We also have two kids together but they were teens when I left. I worried too about how they would deal with it, how damaged they already were and how they would feel about me taking this decision. I can only say that there has been only positives so far. They were both quite anxious the last couple of years of the marriage with plenty of panic attacks etc. Since we left they have completely lost contact with their dad and their mental health is flurishing. All the anxiety is gone, they are happy, healthy people.

We were talking about the ex yesterday and I asked if they ever feel sad that he isn't bothering with them anymore but neither one of them misses him in the slightest. I haven't hidden the things he has done or protected him since we left and as time has gone on all three of us have realised just how abusive and manipulative he is as a person. The nice parts of him we saw was just him masking, his true self is spiteful and full of hatred, especially towards me for leaving.

The best thing is that they both are now in long-ish relationships (for their ages) and the people they have chosen to get involved with are completely healthy and loving. One of my concerns was definitely that I had set some kind of awfully low standard when it comes to choosing a partner but if anything it seems that they are both on high-alert when it comes to picking out and discarding the douches.

Littlebitpsycho · 06/02/2024 09:38

That letter made me cry.

You HAVE to leave NOW.

Please protect your children. Womens Aid and SS will help you.

He WILL hurt them (and you) if you don't do this NOW

Duckingella · 06/02/2024 09:41

BananaCake35 · 06/02/2024 08:56

I have been the child in this situation. Please back bags and take your kids to somewhere safe right now, talk to the police, talk to woman's aid, get your kids into counselling, talk to their school. Please do the things I wish my mum had done.

Snap

I was that child too;it took nearly 20 years to tell my husband of the abuse I suffered as a child.

I don't have much of a relationship with my mum anymore;he still controls her life and her relationships with people;my mum has two friends and that's it.

She's a lonely miserable person,I'm having to seek counselling for CPTSD as the result of my childhood and both my younger brothers drink too much;I'd go as far to say the youngest is an alcoholic.

Please don't let your children end up like us.

DoIHaveNameRegret · 06/02/2024 09:47

This is awful to read and must be traumatic to live through, do everything you can to have this man away from you and the children x

sHREDDIES19 · 06/02/2024 09:54

I am absolutely distraught reading this, your poor children. They are, unfortunately, already traumatised by his actions and will no doubt bear these mental scars for the rest of their lives. All you can do now is salvage as much of their childhood as possible and make sure they at least feel safe and loved. You need to act NOW as others have said, no more excuses, get them away from him. These two kids are your number one priority. I hate to sound harsh when things are rock bottom for you, but if you fail to remove them from his care, you will effectively be failing them, in which case, neither of you deserve these previous souls.

LittleOwl153 · 06/02/2024 10:00

Get your legal advice... but please share than note, the videos and everything else with the children's school. They will support both you and them to get the help you all so desperately need.

catherinemeg · 06/02/2024 10:10

If you haven't already been to women's aid go. The advice they gave me was invaluable.
Reading your post I'm not sure what the strongest emotion is anger or fear.
Get out ASAP.
My ex-husband threatened to kill himself if I went. I said I good, told him it was the best idea he'd had in years and said it would make me happy if he did it. He stormed out and went to the pub. I went to bed and locked him out.
Shortly before that we had been out one evening. It had been snowing and he fell. Lot of abuse and swearing, blaming me for triping him up, more threats, and swearing, I left him there on the ground. If he hadn't made it back home I wouldn't have cared. A month later I left. Living with him turned me into someone I didn't like. Please don't let that happen to you.
As for custody, I stopped my ex-husband seeing the kids. He wanted a spontaneous relationship with them. Which translated as he only wanted to see them if he had nothing better to do. Football, bowling, drinking and such like. He took the kids and I to court over access. I let the kids speak to the sheriff on their own. It went on for well over a year and the result, limited contact for him and had I died he would not have got them. So don't be scared of that. Make sure everything is documented. Save any texts, emails, Dr's appointments interactions with the police etc
It is scary on your own. You'll have lonely periods but you'll have peace of mind as will the kids.
I really hope you and the kids find the peace you richly deserve.

AllrightNowBaby · 06/02/2024 10:13

I was brought up in an abusive household like this but the psycho was my “Mother”.
Everything has to be perfect, I was made to clean and did all the washing and ironing when a little girl.
While being criticised and hit around the head constantly.
I used to pray that my Dad would leave but he pacified her all the time, she used to beat him up as well, while he stood there protecting his head.
I hated her but I also despised my Father for not protecting me.
When she died years later, I stood at the side of her grave and in my head said “Ding, dong the witch is dead”, after that I looked after my Dad when he became old, I was kind with him but he didn’t deserve it.
in my mind, I have no parents…. the only family I have is the one I created with my Dh.

Donmeistersleepmachine · 06/02/2024 10:26

Well done for coming to your senses. It's for the best. He sounds awful, whether he's nice when it suits him or not. Poor little girl pouring her heart out and not being listened to, and your poor son! It's not your fault but they've expressed their feelings explicitly to you so it's time to leave. Don't backtrack, you're definitely doing the right thing. Also the kids are old enough to determine which parent they want to go with - it's clear who they'll choose. My dad could be a bit violent and aggressive but not passive aggressive, I love him lots and as an adult see that everybody has flaws. Our relationship is still strained. But your situation sounds much more extreme and like he is genuinely quite nasty and petulant, not just a man with mood swings. Good luck whatever you do x

GruffalosGirl · 06/02/2024 10:35

I hope contacting women's aid goes well today Amberv. I know you said that he left the home last time you had social services involvement, I imagine they will insist that either he leaves or you and the kids do once they are aware of the violence towards your son. If you think he will refuse to leave then it may be an idea to get a bag ready for you and the kids just in case.

I imagine you're worried about your son after his response last time, but it sounds like both children are crying out for something to change, so their responses this time may be different. Social services in my area will usually arrange support both one to one and in groups for children who are experiencing domestic violence, and support for you too, so hopefully they can help once they are aware of the situation.

Preggopreggo · 06/02/2024 10:45

OP, you say it only escalated last year, but this harrowing account you gave of 4 years ago is child abuse:

When son got frustrated when he was around 4 or 5 if he lost at something or couldn’t do something he would roll on the floor beside himself hysterical upset, my husband would laugh and go and get the phone to record it which infuriated DS more

I fear that living with this evil man for so long has warped your perspective. Don’t enable him to subject your children to this trauma for a minute more. As soon as you get out, you will look back and wish you had left much sooner. You can do it ❤️

ButItHasCheese · 06/02/2024 10:51

What an awful man.

Wishing you all the strength - your kids are lucky to have a mum like you

StormySam · 06/02/2024 10:59

Sending you a huge hug. I was in your position. I had support from Women's Aid right the way through. One day I left with the kids and a suitcase. Of course, Ex was furious. Not for the end of our relationship, more for the grasp of power slipping away from him.
Of course Ex went for 50/50 custody. Didn't get it and didn't really want it. Whatever he says to you now or when you leave you can take with a pinch of salt. You have reached a turning point just by posting on here. Mine was confiding in a friend: the look of horror on her face. You have to move forward now.
I am married to a lovely man now and my life is very different. You deserve happiness.

rainbowstardrops · 06/02/2024 11:30

Bloody hell, that letter was harrowing. Have you spoken to your children's school about it?

Crikeyalmighty · 06/02/2024 11:41

I lived with someone like this between my 2 marriages OP- he just couldn't stand anything 'non perfect' - he didn't allow me to make Xmas dinner because 'it made a mess' - he actually from a very very working class background and his way of showing off was to have a designer style immaculate house which was the opposite of what he had grown up in. He was quite a fun guy and good looking- just impossible to live with without having a knot in your stomache. In the end I actually did a runner when he was out one day- got new accommodation sorted- stuff all banged in storage. Realise you can't do that with kids on the scene but I so feel for you. Thing is it creeps up- starts off that you think they've got a few odd ways and then builds. With kids on the scene though you have to take action and as quick as is feasible or you will end up with very messed up children as well as yourself- wishing you all the best xx

AmberV · 06/02/2024 13:18

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OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 06/02/2024 13:29

@AmberV

You don't realise that we can read what you edited ?

Anyway, Thank Goodness you have started to speak to people / Ask for help.

Baby steps right now, safety first.

don't worry about where any of us lived / rented / mortgages etc. right now.

Safety first.

If necessary, there is help out there - the local authority or any local authority of your choosing will help because of domestic violence / Shelter / Woman's Aid and domestic abuse helplines etc. will all give advice.

If you do end up in emergency housing thru the local authority - it's not ' nice ' but it's safe and it isn't forever. Focus on the ' it's safe. '

Janetime · 06/02/2024 13:35

This is shocking. Those poor children. How many times do they need to say they don’t feel safe. That it’s like a prison before someone helps them? Because op. If you don’t act. You are complicit. Get out. And get them out.

KL090 · 06/02/2024 13:59

@AmberV these are all good steps. Keep going, you can and will get away from him

it may feel like attacking but most people have been kind to you and helpful but you are an adult, you are a parent, it’s your job to be the strong one who might have to make hard decisions - you need to do that for your DC who can’t control what is happening to them.

Windydaysandwetnights · 06/02/2024 14:03

He is a child abuser.. And you are under the same roof despite knowing this?. Jesus fucking Christ..

caringcarer · 06/02/2024 14:16

Get your poor babies away from this nasty bullying man. His behaviour has probably already had a lifelong effect on both DC.

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