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Husband horrible to me and children

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AmberV · 05/02/2024 13:50

Apologies in advance for the long message. Just the tip of the iceberg. My husband has always been demanding, suffocating, overbearing. When I moved in he wanted the toilet roll a certain way, the towels on the hand rail in the bathroom had to be perfectly level. He would always redo them after I did them. The curtains had to be pulled just so and every day he would redo them moaning and tutting. Like a fool I put up with it and thought he’s got ocd for cleanliness, it’s just ‘his way’.
After we had children I packed up work and it got worse he would want the house just so. Whatever I did it felt wrong. Now the children are 8 DS and 10 DD, he is so mean to our son, says he’s trying to toughen him up. When son got frustrated when he was around 4 or 5 if he lost at something or couldn’t do something he would roll on the floor beside himself hysterical upset, my husband would laugh and go and get the phone to record it which infuriated DS more. Last year it got to the point I could take no more, he shouted right in my face saying how pathetic I was in front of the children because I said that son didn’t want to ‘play fight’ anymore as it generally ended with him in tears. He would shout at them practically every day for not hanging up their coat or put their shoes away, when he really loses his temper they cower in the kitchen under the table or go and hide under their bed or under their bed covers. I spoke to doctor as I was a mess, they brought in the children and spoke to them, then reported it as safeguarding issue, they called SS and they came round, DS heard that we might get divorced and went into the kitchen, took a knife and said he was going to kill himself cos he was so upset. He blamed himself for SS getting involved because he had spoke out to the doctor and said what husband was doing. That was a year ago, things improved mildly, we still tread on egg shells, it still feels like he’s got two army recruits rather than children. I hate him. He still does the curtain thing, tells me all what cleaning I’ve missed doing round the house, opens cupboards and says loud enough for me to hear ‘ffs can’t even stack a cupboard, has no one taught you anything ’ same with the dishwasher, always redoes it. His way of attacking my mum for ‘apparently not teaching me anything or how to do things properly.’

Last week DS got to our door from school first and rung bell. Husband deliberately left sons bag at end of path so he had to go and get it, then he let DD in and then pushed in front of DS and took his time taking shoes off to make DS wait, son got infuriated by this and pushed into husband to shove him, then DS got angry and bit husband, husband screamed at him and walloped him round the head, the first time he has ever struck him , DS was beside himself, ran in and curled in a ball on the stairs. DD saw what happened and stood trembling in the hall, I tried to console them, all husband went on about was how he was the injured party. Yes he shouldn’t have bitten him but it was years of pent up rage coming out.

After I spoke to DS, he said ‘I just can’t stop thinking about it, I don’t know how my fathers not in prison’.

I confronted husband upstairs and he’s still raising his voice going I don’t know how you can take his side after what he did. He could not see how mean he had been not letting him in. My daughter heard me talking, him raising his voice and told him what she thought how she lives in fear how she has no safe place to go how she doesn’t feel safe at home. He would not even look at her while she poured her heart out and stared at the telly. This was Friday. Today he is acting liking nothing ever happened. Trying to buy the kids off again, like he does every time he treats them like shit. He said before if I ever filed for divorce he would fight me every step of the way and there’s no way he’d let me get custody.

When he is in a good mood, he’s fun, he takes them places, wouldn’t think twice about taking them away for the weekend, he’s generous with all of us. But he has an evil, mean nasty streak that even odd times when it’s not there you are always on heightened alert waiting for it. I very rarely go out as I don’t feel comfortable leaving them with him. I went out for lunch this week, he got them from school, I had a really nice time, I got in and they were both really upset cos he’d screamed at them. I have no life. My kids have no ‘normal’ life, they both suffer with anxiety, my DD has toileting problems since age 4 even now, they said it was behavioural. My DS has anger issues and throws smashes things when he’s frustrated or upset. They both are erratic and have nightmares , my DD struggles to go to sleep cos that’s when she thinks when lying in bed. To the outside world we are a ‘perfect’ family. Nice home. Holidays. Yet we live in hell.

I am seeking legal advice this week, I can’t do it to kids any longer, thing is they will be devastated as love the ‘nice dad’. Has anyone been through this and come out the other side?

OP posts:
Northernsouloldies · 06/02/2024 01:24

MMadness · 05/02/2024 23:29

Why didn't you call the police when he hit your son in the head?

Your children are not safe with either of you.

He abuses them and you fail endlessly to protect them. Their whole lives.

That's maybe a bit unfair on op.
Until you've been in that situation and DV is a scary scenario for all involved. I grew up in a dv household and I know it leaves its mark.

AmberV · 06/02/2024 01:41

MMadness I am a good kind parent, I am utterly exhausted from being on living on alert all this time. Up until last year he was moaning at them to do stuff, just moaning, but a lot of moaning, then last year it escalated to really shouting, swearing as he walked away but so we could hear and door slamming, and belittling comments mostly at me in front of them, that’s when I got SS involved straight away, I got him out the house but then my son who’s 8 went in the kitchen and held a knife to his chest saying he didn’t want to be here anymore because he was so angry that his dad had moved out. It absolutely terrified me, husband said he would change and I let him back as I thought I was doing the right thing for the children even if it wasn’t what I wanted. I have always put the kids first. His moods were always taken out on me before and I hate him and wished he would just die but I stayed and put up with it because of the kids and keeping the family unit. Then it started getting directed at them, and that first instant it was directed at them I took action. It’s got to the point now that I cannot leave my son with my husband as I know he will end in tears. Again I am taking action. I am absolutely terrified of the fallout from this and to think I will have to hide all sharp objects for fear of my son doing something to himself worries the hell out of me

OP posts:
Northernsouloldies · 06/02/2024 01:59

Nobody asks for a life like the above. Wishing you and your kids a decent life away from this. Good luck 🤞

zinky · 06/02/2024 02:19

Before leaving the house, bring with you that letter ( also take pics and send them to your email), SS reports, GP reports etc so it can be proved his behaviour toward your children ..

Fetaa · 06/02/2024 02:27

He’s not going to change. For your children’s sake leave him.

Codlingmoths · 06/02/2024 02:40

No no no no no. Please get out, get your children out.

MariaVT65 · 06/02/2024 02:41

Hide your kids’ passports in case he tries to pull something. Doubt he’d get custody as the kids are old enough to have their view listened to. And you should contact the police about him hitting your son so it’s on record.

Pinkbonbon · 06/02/2024 03:11

Be clear with them 'Nice dad is not real. Nice dad is an act he puts on. We're leaving because ive finally realised this. He's a bully. He bullies me and he bullies you and thats not ok. We should never stay with bullies'.

Never force them to see him again once you are out. They can if they want. But don't force them. Abusers don't belong around kids. Make it clear you'll always be there to listen to them. And give them one safe home to be in. With a mother free from abuse.

Let him take you to court for access if he cares enough to. The court will listen to what your children want too, as they are old enough to speak for themselves.

Pinkbonbon · 06/02/2024 03:17

Your son has learned that extreme behaviour gets results from his dad.

He is also terrified his dad will blame him for the split. And probably, desperate for his dad's approval as he's been trained to be.

Reqs up on scapegoat vs golden child dynamics.

Your children also need to be in therapy as soon as possible once you are out.

Sparklfairy · 06/02/2024 03:46

This is one of the worst cases of abuse I've ever read on here. It's absolutely shocking.

Your poor children. Your son in particular is being set up for a lifetime of MH issues. He needs to be away from his so-called father and in therapy, fast.

You already have so much evidence against this arsehole. That note would absolutely be taken seriously by a judge deciding custody.

What 'family unit' are you going on about?! It doesn't benefit your kids at all, more a sake of keeping up appearances for everyone outside your home? Because I really, really can't understand why you don't dig deep and steel yourself for a fight, and leave him. Protect your children for god's sake.

Spencer0220 · 06/02/2024 04:36

Are social services still involved with your son?

I suggest talking to them too asap. They can do so much to support and help you all.

Fallenangelofthenorth · 06/02/2024 06:52

Do social services know you took him back? You MUST leave. That letter is absolutely heartbreaking. I understand you're also a victim in this but you must see that you're not protecting your children adequately? They need you to step up. Your daughter especially is approaching the age where drugs may offer the escapism she's seeking. That and/or abusive men. You can't keep burying your head in the sand, navel gazing, and chatting about possibly leaving him at some undetermined point in the future. You need to leave (or make him leave) now. What exactly are you waiting for?

Northernsouloldies · 06/02/2024 06:55

That would be my worry for the dd seeking solace or affection in the wrong places.

Fjruejejrnrnrbbbbb222333 · 06/02/2024 07:20

Your replies seem to repeat the things your husband does rather than address what posters are saying about you needing to leave urgently. What are you actually proactively doing to get your kids out of there? You should have left when you saw that note from your daughter. You definitely need to leave now he's hit your son round the head. If you have as many videos as you say, why not call the police now? Report the assault on your son and show them the coercive and controlling behaviour. Your kids deserve action.

ParrotCatDog · 06/02/2024 07:29

Please DO SOMETHING for the sake of those children

MagnoliatheMagnificent · 06/02/2024 07:48

My teenage dd has been through far less but witnessed a lot of arguments between dh and I a few years ago when we had a rough patch. Last year she took an overdose of pills. Thankfully she was ok but it was a massive shock to us all. She now sees CAMHS and we have social services involvement. Through her CAMHS meetings she has slowly been able to talk about her worries. One thing she says is she is scared of dh when he shouts - he rarely shouts now but she is traumatised from when she was younger and she too feels she is walking in eggshells waiting for the next thing. She has never been physically touched by anyone but still got to this situation.

My point is, get as many people involved now as you can - police, social care etc Your children will need a lot of support likely CAMHS help. He needs to go away and stay away. I feel for you.

breezesin · 06/02/2024 08:00

This is heartbreaking OP. I’m sending you strength and support.

KL090 · 06/02/2024 08:00

I can PM you OP as I actually thought your might be describing my dad and my childhood but I know it’s not him, he’s older now

But please can I tell you that this man and this exact childhood completely ruined my life. And I do partly blame my mother because she never left him. He eventually left her for another woman when I was 19 and she was broken and I had to take care of her (which is another source of resentment I have towards her).

I was your DD and DS. Scared, fighting back too, I ended up running away a lot as a teenager, stealing, drinking, running off with boyfriends. I failed school, got in with the wrong crowds. I had OCD, anxiety, depression, eating disorder. It took me years to unravel all of this and my mum never helped because she was so consumed by him she FORGOT to protect us, or she thought she WAS protecting us from poverty or that just living in the same house was enough, it isn’t enough. I used to wish social services came and took us away!

Please, please, please leave this man he will ruin your children and you still have time now to help them. They are trapped here with this abusive man. I obviously completely blame my dad as he is just purely evil and I have nothing to do with him but it has forever damaged my relationship with my mother at the same time as I was abused for 19 years in a place that was meant to be safe, you do still have that chance now. Make a plan and be brave - they are afraid to live without him because of the control but that’s not a real feeling. I know you can do this, you posted here and you need to get the right help. Please call women’s aid

bombastix · 06/02/2024 08:06

All these entitled bully men; I'd have them prosecuted and jailed. Making traumatized children and future criminals, bullying, shouting, hitting anyone weaker than them. They don't do it to any man, they are rotten to the core.

AgnesX · 06/02/2024 08:09

Thank god you're now at the point that you're motivated to leave.

You should have done this long ago.

KL090 · 06/02/2024 08:10

bombastix · 06/02/2024 08:06

All these entitled bully men; I'd have them prosecuted and jailed. Making traumatized children and future criminals, bullying, shouting, hitting anyone weaker than them. They don't do it to any man, they are rotten to the core.

I spent so long trying to work out why he did this. I also had the agony of him picking every single thing about how I sat, how I ate, my hair being near my food, if my feet were bare, had I got anything on the carpet, had I worn my shoes too close to the house. I still don’t know why? I think he had OCD but also it was pure control. He remarried another couple of times and I think he is still the same but less worse than he was to us. Knowing this type of man he won’t want to bother with the kids once you leave him really, he will just want MONEY and will soon be off with other women and rubbing your nose in him thinking he is better than you but you need to just see how pathetic he really is.

Duckingella · 06/02/2024 08:15

Please call your contact at social services and tell them your husband hit your son and you need help removing this man from your home.

You need to do this not only to safeguard your children right now but to ensure he's not left alone with your children if you split;due to him assaulting your son he'd get supervised contact.

bombastix · 06/02/2024 08:16

Any woman reading this and relates needs to understand that it doesn't matter what you do, or how good or bad your children are; there will always be something you did wrong as an excuse to bully and berate you.

Most of these men will have had abusive childhoods and hate women, specifically their mothers. It is a toxic revenge. Get out and stop the pattern.

There is no way you can act or be to stop the actions of a man like this. It's all done for himself, and you and the children are just bit players in a very messed mentality.

KL090 · 06/02/2024 08:19

@AmberV If I can reassure you of anything OP, they are not actually going to miss this man. They are afraid. They will find it hard to trust that things have changed and they no longer have to live with him and fear that he will come back. They also fear being without him because he has been such an intense part of their lives, it’s like Stockholm syndrome. They are scared. You have to build them up that they don’t need to be scared, you aren’t taking him back and give them the freedom they need to be children and live in a home without fear. You can and will give them an amazing life without him. He will never change. No amount of lecturing from you will change. He is a sadistic sociopath.

they will be mourning the loss of the concept of ‘nice dad’ who they barely ever get to see… nice dad only comes out when the DC are acting like perfect robots, he is conditioning them to fit his narrative of children who never annoy him or make mess, and they will always fail to meet his unrealistic standards so he is raising them to believe they are disappointing failures. Nice dad is a fake persona. It is not real. Your DS is already completely taking all the blame for your DH’s behaviour out of fear.

WestSouthWest · 06/02/2024 08:30

‘Nice dad’ is the hook that keeps you with him, it’s a carrot he dangles to make you all compliant. If only you’d behave or do what you are told, he will be ‘nice’ again. It’s just control. He knows exactly what he’s doing. Like all abusers, he is a highly manipulative and controlling bully.

I grew up in a home with domestic violence. It has had a massive impact on my life. I have struggled with addiction, eating disorders, low self esteem and serious mental health issues throughout my teenage years and adult life. I also ended up in a dangerous and controlling relationship because nobody ever modelled a good one for me. I often wonder how my life would have turned out if we had been removed from the situation earlier. Please protect your children and get out now. You also deserve to live your life happy and free from abuse.

Women’s Aid can offer support as can your local domestic abuse support service. Social services can also signpost and offer support and guidance.

I’m sorry this is happening to you and your children.