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Am I losing my mind/AIBU about this behaviour/attitude?

232 replies

Anotheranxiousone · 04/02/2024 17:22

There is such a back story to this/a history of 12 years that for space and time reasons I can't fully explain. But currently, I am in a situation of trying to work out whether to stay or leave the relationship and feel I totally lost confidence in my ability to make a decision, am worried I will regret a decision to leave and need some perspectives from outsiders to the situation. This is already going to be SO long, so very sorry, and thanks in advance for reading!

I am fed up of my DH behaviour. He has always been selfish/very interested in his own hobbies and pursuits and these have come first, but it mattered less when we were young as I used the time to do my own things/progress my career etc. Now, we are older (me late 30s, him mid 40s), with a 3 year old child and another on the way. Some examples of how he behaves:

  1. His running - marathon - dictates his availability to a large extent. He runs most days, including 5 hours on a Sunday, couple hours on a Saturday, 3 hours on a Tuesday evening. Then Weds and Thurs he runs few hours Weds, running and tennis for 4 hours on a Thurs both during the day as he only works part-time. I have always been the organiser (he hates organising, in his own words, so never does any, whether for social or family admin stuff), but have to organise anything we do/seeing friends not only around this but also the 16 week marathon schedule he works to (twice per year as he runs two marathons, one in April, one in October). He expects evenings with friends, holidays etc to be planned accordingly so as not to interfere with his running schedule.
  2. As a result of the above I have very little/no time for my hobbies. He frequently tells me to get hobbies/do more exercise etc but of course only when he is not doing the above. Any 'free' time I get is spent cooking/paying household bills/sorting stuff for the child/walking the dogs etc. I have no time for hobbies really.
  3. He is messy and disorganised. He leaves his stuff everywhere (clothes on floor, won't chuck anything out so has 5 wardrobes full of clothes, refuses to iron or fold or hang things so its just heaps of it all stuffed into wardrobes overflowing). He leaves paperwork everywhere and if I tidy and put it away in a drawer he moans that it isn't where he left it. He loses the house key frequently. He loses earphones etc. and blames me. He is late for everything including work every day (but his own business so gets away with it).
  4. He does minimal household chores. He will unload/put dishwasher on, occasionally does a load of washing (but won't put it away), occasionally walks dogs (if told he has to because for e.g I have to be in work early or late), and he does a school drop off or pick up most days. But that is it. He doesn't organise anything, buy anything for our child, arrange any activities, do any general cleaning, changing beds, paying bills, food shop, cooking, washing up etc. So he probably spend 2-3 hours per week on household stuff and I spend about 2-3 hours per day when taking cooking into account.
  5. He is dismissive of rules/safety etc. An example is he can't be bothered to loosen and tighten the straps in the car seat so will squeeze DC into it as it is and then lets the straps sit across her arms rather than on her shoulders. He is frequently involved in mild altercations in the car - he is always blaming someone for being in the wrong lane/cutting him up and ending up having arguments with those drivers. He cares little for speed limits - driving 55+ in a 40 because he treats the 40 sign as the starting point to reduce speed. He is always late so always speeding.
  6. He is dismissive of the need for any medical attention, ever. After the birth of my DC I had a PPH and, after finally getting home, was feeling worse and worse each day until I eventually felt I needed to go back to labour ward. Turns out I had the start of sepsis, needed several days in hospital, blood transfusions, IV antibiotics etc. He was in a huge mood that I was going back into hospital, told me it wasn't necessary, made me doubt myself and put off going to get seen for a day. He then was moody with doctors, saying I didn't have sepsis just an infection, and refused to come to visit me the following day (I was there alone feeding my newborn whilst trying to recover from sepsis) because he was so annoyed. Friday night DC woke with croup - has had before but only usually gets the cough, this time she had some breathing issues as well. Saturday morning asked if he would ask our mutual friend (who he knows a bit better/has his mobile number) who is a GP whether he would recommend anything. He refused to message him, insisting she was fine. I should add that when he came into our bed unwell with croup he immediately just left, no asking if I needed anything/any help.
  7. Related to above - our elderly dog has a recurring UTI - started in November and now on 3rd lot of antibiotics. Husband denies he has a UTI/or if accepts it declares no need to do anything about it. As a result, he won't get involved with giving him the meds, won't take him to the vets and has refused to give me any money towards the almost £1k vet bill (He has had 7 urine tests, one set of bloods, a scan of his bladder and 6 appointments plus 3 lots of antibiotics) as he says I shouldn't have paid for any of it/done any of it.
  8. Bills - arrangement when we first moved into our house was I paid all utilities and food, as I was a student then and only working part time. He was working his own business earning £100k+. He paid mortgage and council tax. So he was paying more, but also earned way more (I earned about £15k at the time). My earnings have since increased, but bills have massively gone up so what used to be about £800 a month is now £3k when taking into account childcare etc. He paid mortgage off. Agreement last year (after I begged) was that he would contribute half to the bills now he wasn't paying mortgage and because they were now so much more than they used to be. I have to chase/remind/beg every month for the money and he eventually pays it a month late, meaning I am constantly £1500 out of pocket. He won't set up standing order. He refuses to pay towards things he sees are unnecessary (presents for friend's birthday parties etc).
  9. We remortgaged last year to allow us to do some work to the house and potentially invest some money elsewhere. He promptly took about 65/70% of the money, put it into his own savings accounts and bonds that tied the money up for a year making it inaccessible. He didn't tell me he was doing this. So when bills come in for work to house or whatever he says he can't help as all the money is tied up until X.
  10. He went on holiday with his friend recently. He had mentioned doing it - which is fine, they often have a few days away together as an annual thing - and I just asked to be given notice of what dates he was planning so I could arrange grandparents to help etc. He booked it then told me the dates, which clashed with me being away on a course for work AND our 20 week scan, which he missed. No apology, no acknowledgement this was a problem.

Whenever I attempt to bring these things up it ends up in him getting defensive and ignoring me for several days. He won't sleep well because he gets in such a mood about it, so will be up all hours banging and making sure I am also disturbed (or at least, has no care whether I am). He will then promptly return to normal and ignore everything as if the argument never happened. He makes me doubt myself/feel like all of this is trivial so I end up feeling like it is all in my head or I am being unreasonable. Like with household stuff, when I suggest we write down the list of weekly tasks and divide them, he accuses me of being boring, says relationships shouldn't be about itemising every single task you do, and points towards our friends who had an agreement to do this but ended up splitting up (I hasten to add, they split because one had an affair, nothing to do with the division of household labour!!) He will then say 'and anyway, I do loads of things you don't like put bins out (not strictly true as I also do this regularly and bring them in after collection day, I am always the one to take stuff to the tip as I hate mess/clutter etc) and cut the grass (the latter is true but that only happens 6 months of the year and takes an hour a week, so still nothing in comparison).

I just don't know what to do anymore. I don't know how much better it would be if I left, as many of these problems would persist - finances, car seat etc would all remain a problem. I also don't trust him to have my DC on his own for any length of time because he is so disorganised and, for example, would not take her to hospital if she was unwell, would leave her crying in the night so he didn't have to deal with her etc. When she was younger and slept very badly he would get so angry he would hit walls in the middle of the night when she wouldn't sleep :(

OP posts:
HelpMeHelpMyselfToHeal · 05/02/2024 12:54

@Anklite he controlled all the money so I had none. I didn't want to break up the family. I just didn't have the courage!

aitchteeaitch · 05/02/2024 14:49

OP, your DH is a selfish, entitled arsehole, and is one of the very worst I have ever read about on MN in all my years on here.

He absolutely could not give a shit about you, other than that you are there to facilitate his life. All he is interested in is what he wants to do, when he wants to do it, and woe betide you if he has to alter his plans in the slightest.

Please start making plans to get this millstone out of your life.

Anotheranxiousone · 05/02/2024 15:15

Thanks all. Been trying to find out where accounts may be held. I’ve got a list but also going to ask him to tell me/show me where he has put the remortgage money. He may well be vague but will use excuse of need to plan payments for building work. Having looked on his laptop what I think he has multiple savings accounts (I think locked in for a year but need to ask him) plus bonds and stocks and shares. My worry is where he has tied this up and what risks are involved/obvs if stocks and shares this is variable and current value can be more or less original investment. I didn’t give permission for him to do this, he simply transferred most money to himself and has put it where he wants. Will be interesting to see if he will give me the breakdown when I ask for it!

OP posts:
HelpMeHelpMyselfToHeal · 05/02/2024 15:34

Anotheranxiousone · 05/02/2024 15:15

Thanks all. Been trying to find out where accounts may be held. I’ve got a list but also going to ask him to tell me/show me where he has put the remortgage money. He may well be vague but will use excuse of need to plan payments for building work. Having looked on his laptop what I think he has multiple savings accounts (I think locked in for a year but need to ask him) plus bonds and stocks and shares. My worry is where he has tied this up and what risks are involved/obvs if stocks and shares this is variable and current value can be more or less original investment. I didn’t give permission for him to do this, he simply transferred most money to himself and has put it where he wants. Will be interesting to see if he will give me the breakdown when I ask for it!

OP this is also exactly what my exDH did! He would come into large sums of money, in varying different ways, which should have been marital assets and they would just be spent/allocated as he wished and I had no involvement or say. Many spreadsheets for different things. When it came to divorce, his finances were SO difficult to unpick, it cost me £40,000 in solicitors costs to do so, together with him taking ME to court to avoid sharing any of his (our) money.

Be better than me - do your investigating and research now. My exDH was as slippery as fk and he has eventually walked away with on the face of it not an awful lot, but I know he hid money and lied about earnings etc.

Anotheranxiousone · 05/02/2024 15:54

very sorry to hear this @HelpMeHelpMyselfToHeal but can imagine my H would be exactly the same and he will seek to avoid/conceal as much as possible. My plan is to keep things looking fine for now. I’ll do some poking around, take copies of paperwork I can find, see what information I can get from him etc to piece together what I can. He has business accounts and obvs the business earnings (huge) and assets (not insignificant) will be a factor as well as his personal income, savings etc. so I need time to try to get as much evidence as I can. So will play it cool and normal for next few months/however long it takes to get what I need and make my move when it’s sensible to do so. I feel better today for all the kind comments and advice on here and feeling I have the first stages of a plan. Thanks again.

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Nanny0gg · 05/02/2024 18:03

Anotheranxiousone · 04/02/2024 20:12

He’s like it with everything. Further example - doesn’t believe in sterilising bottles. Says putting through dishwasher then storing them away is sufficient (though he has never in his life cleaned out a cupboard so he would presumably be happy storing things in a dirty cupboard, but obvs I do clean them) so he refused to sterilise the bottles when DC was young. I mainly breastfed so only needed bottles on occasion thankfully and I would always have them in the sterile solution ready to use but he would moan about having to get them out to dry them.

He tried very hard to stop me having a c section and moaned a lot about having to get up early to go into hospital as it prevented him having a full night of sleep.

What on earth have you been thinking all these years?

There have been so many occasions that would have made so many women say 'I'm done' even if they were in a worse financial position than you.

Get your ducks in a row as fast as you can.

I know you're pregnant but you can't carry on with this horrible man

Nanny0gg · 05/02/2024 18:04

Anotheranxiousone · 05/02/2024 15:15

Thanks all. Been trying to find out where accounts may be held. I’ve got a list but also going to ask him to tell me/show me where he has put the remortgage money. He may well be vague but will use excuse of need to plan payments for building work. Having looked on his laptop what I think he has multiple savings accounts (I think locked in for a year but need to ask him) plus bonds and stocks and shares. My worry is where he has tied this up and what risks are involved/obvs if stocks and shares this is variable and current value can be more or less original investment. I didn’t give permission for him to do this, he simply transferred most money to himself and has put it where he wants. Will be interesting to see if he will give me the breakdown when I ask for it!

If you're a lawyer, do you know someone who knows someone who's expert in this kind of thing?

Anotheranxiousone · 05/02/2024 19:33

My reply seems to have disappeared but basically @Nanny0gg my employer doesn’t do family law. I have a few acquaintances that do practice family law but tbh don’t really want to turn to them. Think I’ll get advice from next city to avoid any overlap.

in other news he reluctantly showed me where the money is, then when I asked why I can’t have the money for bills when they’re due he said he is having short term business cash flow issue. I pointed out that’s because he tied most of his money up in fixed bonds, which he said yes, so that’s it. So then I asked how he has money for savings and stocks each month, said he has a DD that just pays them. Pointed out he could instead be paying me. He got defensive, said he’s never asked me for money (well no, you earn a very very high salary and have no normal expenses as you put them through the business so you’ve never had to ask me given I earn much less!) but he isn’t asking now, he is just taking. Then basically said it wasn’t fair he paid off so much of this mortgage. But it was his mortgage - he bought this house without me even seeing it (we were in a relationship living together elsewhere and wanted to move, he came and viewed this and put offer in, first time I saw it was day we got keys). I was a student and he didn’t put me on mortgage or on title deeds and we weren’t married so I had no right over the house at all. He chose to buy it, chose to pay it off at the amount he wanted to, and I paid all utilities, food, vets, dog food etc as agreed. But he throws stuff like this back at me.

TBF I did feel very lucky/he has made me feel I should be grateful and now basically put up with anything financially as pay back. He also bought me a car after I did well in my degree but again, this was a gift, he offered to do it, and now I feel things like this from 12 years ago are used to justify him behaving however he wants now. But I do start doubting myself as he makes out I’m being ungrateful and greedy :(

OP posts:
LiveLaughCryalot · 05/02/2024 19:42

You have more than payed your dues putting up with his utter bullshit for years. When you come to sorting out your finances think of your children and securing their future.
Please work on yourself and create some boundaries and stop falling for his shit. Find some anger. For the shit he has put you and your child through and will continue to put the children through whether you are together or not. At the very least fight for what they deserve.
Stop falling for his manipulation.

LiveLaughCryalot · 05/02/2024 19:49

I just read that back and it seems harsh. I dont know how to say it any other way. This is who he is. The only person who can change yours and your children's life for the better is you. Is it scary? Yes. Will it be hard? Yes. But you cannot raise children in a home like this with a man like this. They will have no hope of happy, healthy relationships themselves in future and their mental health will be ruined.
Think about them when you feel weak and they should give you strength.

SleepDeprivationIsAFormOfTorture · 05/02/2024 19:51

Omfg you are married to a CUNT. Sorry for shouting, I've had a glass of wine. I notice in your posts, you have mentioned several how stupid you are. Please stop beating yourself up, marrying cunts can happen to the best of us.

You sound intelligent. Use your brains to get away from this fucking offence to humanity. And stop doubting yourself.

Anotheranxiousone · 05/02/2024 19:55

That made me laugh @SleepDeprivationIsAFormOfTorture! I’m jealous of your wine! Thanks @LiveLaughCryalot i totally agree

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Anotheranxiousone · 05/02/2024 19:57

Half wish I could show him this thread. Obvs won’t and he would say everyone else is wrong/I’ve portrayed him badly etc so it would be pointless anyway but I never thought I’d get so many people agreeing that this is all wrong, have just thought it was all in my head for so bloody long!

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cakeytime · 05/02/2024 20:01

Yep, he's very manipulative.
Agree with above, you've more than paid your dues.
That was then, this is now and you're his wife so whether he likes it or not, you have marital rights.

You're looking after the dc so he can continue to work and earn ( and do all his leisure stuff). so half of that money is yours. As is the house and all other assets including the business.

He is actually a dangerous man to be around.
He has form for actively discouraging medical help in an emergency !

If you start doubting yourself, think of the time you had sepsis and he tried to avoid medical help for you.

Imagine your children in that situation with him if you arent there. Life and death.

Its frightening !

Continue your plan to get away from him.

SausageAndEggSandwich · 05/02/2024 20:10

Try and speak to women's aid/rights of women about how best to split

I am worried that if you don't prepare carefully he will bully you into giving up more of the assets.

I think you need to build evidence showing his coercive, controlling and abusive behaviour so that you can get an order to force him out of the house. He clearly will never leave of his own volition and would make your life unbearable until you give him everything he wants

LiveLaughCryalot · 05/02/2024 20:11

You have lived with this absolute cunt for years and just got on with it. Do you realise how strong you actually are? Divert that strength into getting you and your kids away from him. You can do this!

Anotheranxiousone · 05/02/2024 20:23

Thanks everyone xx

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SleepDeprivationIsAFormOfTorture · 05/02/2024 20:34

Anotheranxiousone · 05/02/2024 19:55

That made me laugh @SleepDeprivationIsAFormOfTorture! I’m jealous of your wine! Thanks @LiveLaughCryalot i totally agree

I will have a glass in your honour, and send you strength to do what you need to.

Better times are coming for you 🙏

TheShellBeach · 05/02/2024 20:38

Jeez. Don't show him this thread!
You've been advised to speak to Women's Aid every other post.

Anotheranxiousone · 05/02/2024 20:46

No I was joking @TheShellBeach i definitely wouldn’t show him!! And yes I’m going to speak to them :)

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Trishthedish · 05/02/2024 20:50

Anotheranxiousone · 05/02/2024 08:38

This was his text to me when I was in hospital with the sepsis and trying to decide on transfusions:

Rule 1 of medicine. Diagnosis before treatment.
They are rushing around treating things and haven’t a clue of any diagnoses.
They guessed you might have sepsis (I didn’t hear you gasping for breath or feeling like you were “going to die” but maybe I missed that).

Dear God, he really did try to endanger your life. Terrifying. Please leave.

thefallen · 05/02/2024 21:04

OP you are an incredibly strong, smart, capable woman. Your life will be SO much easier when you ditch this piece of toxic waste.

ichifanny · 05/02/2024 21:45

Get him and his 5 wardrobes to fuck , your life will be easier without him I swear .selfish narcissistic , lazy , works part time ? While you only took a few weeks mat leave ? Excuse me ? Punches walls when a baby cries . You are going to be so happy without him .

Garlickit · 05/02/2024 23:39

I don't know if you've already seen this thread, @Anotheranxiousone but, even if you have, you might want to take another look. Click here and scroll down to THE DEMAND MAN.

The profiles are from Lundy Bancroft's famous book, "Why does he do that?"

The Abuser Profiles | Mumsnet

Just as a reference, and I lay no claims to this - it is all the work of the fabulous Lundy Bancroft and taken from his book 'Why Does he Do That' whi...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/2268977-The-Abuser-Profiles?reply=51554084

MCOut · 06/02/2024 00:45

YANBU at all. I’m always inclined to say you should try couples therapy first but it sounds like if you bring it up he will say no, so just leave.