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Am I losing my mind/AIBU about this behaviour/attitude?

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Anotheranxiousone · 04/02/2024 17:22

There is such a back story to this/a history of 12 years that for space and time reasons I can't fully explain. But currently, I am in a situation of trying to work out whether to stay or leave the relationship and feel I totally lost confidence in my ability to make a decision, am worried I will regret a decision to leave and need some perspectives from outsiders to the situation. This is already going to be SO long, so very sorry, and thanks in advance for reading!

I am fed up of my DH behaviour. He has always been selfish/very interested in his own hobbies and pursuits and these have come first, but it mattered less when we were young as I used the time to do my own things/progress my career etc. Now, we are older (me late 30s, him mid 40s), with a 3 year old child and another on the way. Some examples of how he behaves:

  1. His running - marathon - dictates his availability to a large extent. He runs most days, including 5 hours on a Sunday, couple hours on a Saturday, 3 hours on a Tuesday evening. Then Weds and Thurs he runs few hours Weds, running and tennis for 4 hours on a Thurs both during the day as he only works part-time. I have always been the organiser (he hates organising, in his own words, so never does any, whether for social or family admin stuff), but have to organise anything we do/seeing friends not only around this but also the 16 week marathon schedule he works to (twice per year as he runs two marathons, one in April, one in October). He expects evenings with friends, holidays etc to be planned accordingly so as not to interfere with his running schedule.
  2. As a result of the above I have very little/no time for my hobbies. He frequently tells me to get hobbies/do more exercise etc but of course only when he is not doing the above. Any 'free' time I get is spent cooking/paying household bills/sorting stuff for the child/walking the dogs etc. I have no time for hobbies really.
  3. He is messy and disorganised. He leaves his stuff everywhere (clothes on floor, won't chuck anything out so has 5 wardrobes full of clothes, refuses to iron or fold or hang things so its just heaps of it all stuffed into wardrobes overflowing). He leaves paperwork everywhere and if I tidy and put it away in a drawer he moans that it isn't where he left it. He loses the house key frequently. He loses earphones etc. and blames me. He is late for everything including work every day (but his own business so gets away with it).
  4. He does minimal household chores. He will unload/put dishwasher on, occasionally does a load of washing (but won't put it away), occasionally walks dogs (if told he has to because for e.g I have to be in work early or late), and he does a school drop off or pick up most days. But that is it. He doesn't organise anything, buy anything for our child, arrange any activities, do any general cleaning, changing beds, paying bills, food shop, cooking, washing up etc. So he probably spend 2-3 hours per week on household stuff and I spend about 2-3 hours per day when taking cooking into account.
  5. He is dismissive of rules/safety etc. An example is he can't be bothered to loosen and tighten the straps in the car seat so will squeeze DC into it as it is and then lets the straps sit across her arms rather than on her shoulders. He is frequently involved in mild altercations in the car - he is always blaming someone for being in the wrong lane/cutting him up and ending up having arguments with those drivers. He cares little for speed limits - driving 55+ in a 40 because he treats the 40 sign as the starting point to reduce speed. He is always late so always speeding.
  6. He is dismissive of the need for any medical attention, ever. After the birth of my DC I had a PPH and, after finally getting home, was feeling worse and worse each day until I eventually felt I needed to go back to labour ward. Turns out I had the start of sepsis, needed several days in hospital, blood transfusions, IV antibiotics etc. He was in a huge mood that I was going back into hospital, told me it wasn't necessary, made me doubt myself and put off going to get seen for a day. He then was moody with doctors, saying I didn't have sepsis just an infection, and refused to come to visit me the following day (I was there alone feeding my newborn whilst trying to recover from sepsis) because he was so annoyed. Friday night DC woke with croup - has had before but only usually gets the cough, this time she had some breathing issues as well. Saturday morning asked if he would ask our mutual friend (who he knows a bit better/has his mobile number) who is a GP whether he would recommend anything. He refused to message him, insisting she was fine. I should add that when he came into our bed unwell with croup he immediately just left, no asking if I needed anything/any help.
  7. Related to above - our elderly dog has a recurring UTI - started in November and now on 3rd lot of antibiotics. Husband denies he has a UTI/or if accepts it declares no need to do anything about it. As a result, he won't get involved with giving him the meds, won't take him to the vets and has refused to give me any money towards the almost £1k vet bill (He has had 7 urine tests, one set of bloods, a scan of his bladder and 6 appointments plus 3 lots of antibiotics) as he says I shouldn't have paid for any of it/done any of it.
  8. Bills - arrangement when we first moved into our house was I paid all utilities and food, as I was a student then and only working part time. He was working his own business earning £100k+. He paid mortgage and council tax. So he was paying more, but also earned way more (I earned about £15k at the time). My earnings have since increased, but bills have massively gone up so what used to be about £800 a month is now £3k when taking into account childcare etc. He paid mortgage off. Agreement last year (after I begged) was that he would contribute half to the bills now he wasn't paying mortgage and because they were now so much more than they used to be. I have to chase/remind/beg every month for the money and he eventually pays it a month late, meaning I am constantly £1500 out of pocket. He won't set up standing order. He refuses to pay towards things he sees are unnecessary (presents for friend's birthday parties etc).
  9. We remortgaged last year to allow us to do some work to the house and potentially invest some money elsewhere. He promptly took about 65/70% of the money, put it into his own savings accounts and bonds that tied the money up for a year making it inaccessible. He didn't tell me he was doing this. So when bills come in for work to house or whatever he says he can't help as all the money is tied up until X.
  10. He went on holiday with his friend recently. He had mentioned doing it - which is fine, they often have a few days away together as an annual thing - and I just asked to be given notice of what dates he was planning so I could arrange grandparents to help etc. He booked it then told me the dates, which clashed with me being away on a course for work AND our 20 week scan, which he missed. No apology, no acknowledgement this was a problem.

Whenever I attempt to bring these things up it ends up in him getting defensive and ignoring me for several days. He won't sleep well because he gets in such a mood about it, so will be up all hours banging and making sure I am also disturbed (or at least, has no care whether I am). He will then promptly return to normal and ignore everything as if the argument never happened. He makes me doubt myself/feel like all of this is trivial so I end up feeling like it is all in my head or I am being unreasonable. Like with household stuff, when I suggest we write down the list of weekly tasks and divide them, he accuses me of being boring, says relationships shouldn't be about itemising every single task you do, and points towards our friends who had an agreement to do this but ended up splitting up (I hasten to add, they split because one had an affair, nothing to do with the division of household labour!!) He will then say 'and anyway, I do loads of things you don't like put bins out (not strictly true as I also do this regularly and bring them in after collection day, I am always the one to take stuff to the tip as I hate mess/clutter etc) and cut the grass (the latter is true but that only happens 6 months of the year and takes an hour a week, so still nothing in comparison).

I just don't know what to do anymore. I don't know how much better it would be if I left, as many of these problems would persist - finances, car seat etc would all remain a problem. I also don't trust him to have my DC on his own for any length of time because he is so disorganised and, for example, would not take her to hospital if she was unwell, would leave her crying in the night so he didn't have to deal with her etc. When she was younger and slept very badly he would get so angry he would hit walls in the middle of the night when she wouldn't sleep :(

OP posts:
Anotheranxiousone · 06/02/2024 08:58

I think one of the many issues @MCOut is that he genuinely thinks he’s never been wrong about anything in his life. He has no interest in my perspective so I can’t see couples therapy being an option. He doesn’t want to change/is happy with how things are so I don’t think I’ve anything to gain tbh!

I have, however, arranged for therapy for myself so I’ve someone independent to help me navigate this mess. Trying to keep that concealed from formal records though in case he finds out and tries to use that against me in divorce or child proceedings.

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Priminister · 06/02/2024 09:03

Anotheranxiousone · 06/02/2024 08:58

I think one of the many issues @MCOut is that he genuinely thinks he’s never been wrong about anything in his life. He has no interest in my perspective so I can’t see couples therapy being an option. He doesn’t want to change/is happy with how things are so I don’t think I’ve anything to gain tbh!

I have, however, arranged for therapy for myself so I’ve someone independent to help me navigate this mess. Trying to keep that concealed from formal records though in case he finds out and tries to use that against me in divorce or child proceedings.

I booked counselling privately for some issues I needed help with. It wasn’t to do with my relationship, but I had reasons to not want it appearing on my NHS record.

I think it’s a good idea that you’re going to speak to someone as it sounds like you’ve had years of doubting your feelings and reactions as valid.

Bluetrews25 · 06/02/2024 10:28

Couples therapy is never advised when one partner is abusive.
They just manipulate everything.
Have a look at that link to abuser profiles, OP. Scrolling up brought me to Mr Right.

Scrumbleton · 06/02/2024 10:44

sounds very like ADHD with a touch of OCD - he may not be able to help it but you don't have to live with it

TheShellBeach · 06/02/2024 11:05

Don't have couples therapy with an abuser.

Anklite · 06/02/2024 11:17

Scrumbleton · 06/02/2024 10:44

sounds very like ADHD with a touch of OCD - he may not be able to help it but you don't have to live with it

There are people with both of those conditions who are not abusive.
Neither of those conditions necessarily means abuse.

Indeed, the why something has happened is sometimes not important and is a red herring distraction. More immediately important is the removal of the harm.

cakeytime · 06/02/2024 13:52

@Scrumbleton I know people with both these conditions.

They are not like that at all. This man is just plain nasty and abusive.
No excuses.

BlueSkyBlueLife · 06/02/2024 14:00

Anklite · 06/02/2024 11:17

There are people with both of those conditions who are not abusive.
Neither of those conditions necessarily means abuse.

Indeed, the why something has happened is sometimes not important and is a red herring distraction. More immediately important is the removal of the harm.

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A reason is not an excuse.
Its not because there is or could be a reason for his behaviour that you should accept anything and everything.
If you find the situation hurtful to you, you can (and should really) step out of it. Regardless of the reason/SN/disability

DeeCeeCherry · 06/02/2024 14:08

I can hardly believe what Im reading. He must surely have paid you to get with him. There isn't a single man in this world worth all this anxiety mess and stress. You're his enabler and facilitator, nothing more nothing less. He needed an organiser to sort out his its all about me lifestyle, and you fit the bill.

Tunnel-visioned, obstinate, selfish men like this are only happy for their wives to have children because they believe she won't exit the relationship because of the children. In their mind they've trapped you hence they can behave as they please. There are ways out of this, if you get up and seek legal advice. If not that millstone around your neck of a man will be your misery-causing, lifelong blight. We only get 1 shot at life why let him and his 'checked out of family life' actions dictate it? Its not as if life will be harder without him, he's not even present

Anklite · 06/02/2024 14:51

DeeCeeCherry · 06/02/2024 14:08

I can hardly believe what Im reading. He must surely have paid you to get with him. There isn't a single man in this world worth all this anxiety mess and stress. You're his enabler and facilitator, nothing more nothing less. He needed an organiser to sort out his its all about me lifestyle, and you fit the bill.

Tunnel-visioned, obstinate, selfish men like this are only happy for their wives to have children because they believe she won't exit the relationship because of the children. In their mind they've trapped you hence they can behave as they please. There are ways out of this, if you get up and seek legal advice. If not that millstone around your neck of a man will be your misery-causing, lifelong blight. We only get 1 shot at life why let him and his 'checked out of family life' actions dictate it? Its not as if life will be harder without him, he's not even present

Not only there wasn’t a payment, he got a young lady to move in who would pay all the bills for him and provide sex on tap… and not only that, but fill a large number of service roles: PA, housekeeper, cook, childminder, laundrette, general dogsbody, and most importantly - a vessel for his abuse.

You owe this man nothing! He probably could see you were bright and organised and encouraged you in your degree and career because he knew you’d reach this point where you also started funnelling significant amounts of money to him, on top of your other duties.

You owe this man nothing.

What he owes you is virtually incalculable.

Your value to him has been immense, do not sell yourself short, and don’t allow him to either.

Anotheranxiousone · 06/02/2024 15:14

Thank you all! I’m taking all of this on board, I promise!

He used to want children although when it came to it first time round it was like he was immediately very fearful of the impact on his life. He was still interested and had some excitement though (as long as I nodded along to his pressured suggestions I had a vaginal birth at all costs). In all honesty I don’t think he wanted/wants a second child and thinks he is doing me a favour having one. He isn’t interested really. Again I know all of this means I should have ran a mile but here we are and I can’t change the past now, only the future.

j can’t see him even pretending he wants 50/50 custody as he frankly can’t cope and it would impact his hobbies and sleep too significantly. I think he will want every other weekend one night only, maybe also seeing them for dinner during the week or taking them to one of the classes where he sits and watches but I would be surprised if he pretended to want anything more. That would be fine by me as I don’t want him involved more than necessary and would worry a lot about him having them. Maybe if/when he got a new partner he would want them more as would have a partner to do all the bits he doesn’t want to so he can have the benefit of pretending to be a father without any effort.

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Rangelife · 06/02/2024 15:35

I had a very similar story to you except my exH was physically violent too. Right down to the intense sporting hobby, hiding finances and completely dismissing health. He made me wait so long to go to the hospital when I was in labour (because he didn't want to get up at 3am and he was driving obviously) that DS2's head was coming out at the reception desk when I was booking in. He would have done anything to make his life easier and was absolutely furious that I had hyperemesis in my pregnancies.

All I can advise you is that when you do leave, hold your nerve. You must remain strong and advocate hard for your DC and yourself - I gave in and he got 70/30 in the divorce (he argued that his parents had given us the deposit for our house and my shit solicitor agreed that he should get more and I was ground down by men so I agreed, I could kick 2015 me. He has got our 4 bed family home and it's worth triple what we paid and I had to start again) and a couple of years later (when the DC were past the hard toddler/young childish) stage he insisted on 50/50 and threatened to take me to court. He did this to spite me and because he didn't want to pay me a penny. We went to mediation and again, because I was ground down and terrified of both him and family court, we ended up agreeing on 60/40 (60 to me) and he has never paid a penny. DD has fared okay with seeing her dad this much but DS2 is not very happy and I really wish I'd been stronger. If he was doing this shit to me now I'd really push back but I was so traumatised and changed by the marriage that I didn't have capacity. Try really hard to be strong Flowers

Anotheranxiousone · 06/02/2024 15:53

Jesus I’m so sorry @Rangelife, what an absolute wanker. A definite eye opener for me to be meticulous in my research and planning, and get best legal advice I can afford. I know he’ll attempt to hide finances so I’m going to build a folder of evidence to make this as difficult as possible for him to do. I know he’ll be terrified of me getting anything out of his business (obvs I don’t want a share of it but the value will be considered as part of the counting exercise) and he has excellent pensions which he’ll also want me kept as far away from as possible.

Will also get video/photo/voice evidence in future of his attempts to block health access, refuse to use car seat belt properly etc so I have that if I need it.

Sorry to hear of your experience and glad you’re free of the bastard!

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Anotheranxiousone · 06/02/2024 15:55

And isn’t it funny (not haha) that both of them were so bothered about their disrupted sleep re childbirth. I did point out to my H when he moaned about getting up for planned section at 6am that if I had gone into labour naturally he may have been up all night/disrupted for several days but of course he just ignored that. Dick

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Rangelife · 06/02/2024 16:01

@Anotheranxiousone that's a brilliant idea re evidence. Record everything meticulously - texts, voicemails. I'd even keep a diary. Even if all it does is reinforces your need to leave.

It's crazy how entitled and selfish they are. Mine was lying on my hospital bed (he was shattered apparently) and I was sat in the hospital chair after a 3rd degree tear. The midwife played holy hell with him. Crazy what we put up with but life is immeasurably better now. You'll get there. MN will cheer you on. Posters on here really helped me at the time.

Anklite · 06/02/2024 16:20

It’s imperative he doesn’t suspect anything has changed in you… keep all your evidence out of the house somewhere inaccessible to him.

In case he might… make up some excuse you’ve developed a chronic mysterious pain somewhere. And you have the added bonus he won’t insist you see a Dr for it.

Perhaps warn him now ahead of time you’re feeling a bit off and it seems to be gradually getting worse and are wondering if you should go to the Dr… then let him talk you out of it.

Might be a good excuse not to do too much of your usual stuff for him if you loathe doing so now.

applebee33 · 06/02/2024 16:37

Stopped reading half way through Op this man is an asshole . I'd honestly leave him and that's the truth

Anotheranxiousone · 06/02/2024 17:01

Yes @Anklite I need to be careful for sure and getting advice from WA to help strategise.

someone mentioned earlier about him only working PT and me FT and yet him doing bugger all. I actually work more than FT, have consultancy work on the side (approx 10 hours a week but it varies and can be less) that I cram in when DC in bed, or while she’s in a class. All to keep on top of life/lifestyle costs. If I stopped doing that he wouldn’t plug the gap and it would be me and DC who would suffer as he won’t pay for things he deems unnecessary (vets, clothes for DC, gifts for the kids parties we are always going to, hobbies he doesn’t personally see value in etc). Sigh

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cakeytime · 06/02/2024 17:34

What @Anklite said. "You owe him nothing but what he owes you is incalculable".
I would unashamedly take him to the cleaners OP, to compensate you and your child and to ensure you dont struggle. He's ensured you've struggled enough.

Nanny0gg · 06/02/2024 17:56

MCOut · 06/02/2024 00:45

YANBU at all. I’m always inclined to say you should try couples therapy first but it sounds like if you bring it up he will say no, so just leave.

He's one of the last men on the planet that ANYONE should have couple's therapy with

MCOut · 06/02/2024 18:00

Nanny0gg · 06/02/2024 17:56

He's one of the last men on the planet that ANYONE should have couple's therapy with

This is the case of me being the person who doesn’t read the rest of the thread. I actually agree.

CatOnTheLap · 06/02/2024 21:55

I don’t expect him to give his running up and agree it would make him unbearable if he did.
@Anotheranxiousone he’s ALREADY unbearable. What a ghastly man. You need a new patio, go and grab a shovel, we’ll all help dig.

userzH · 06/02/2024 22:10

I left my abusive ex husband. He is similar to yours in some ways. He shouted at me 3 days after giving birth (c section) for being in pain despite being told from the midwife that I could experience the 'baby blues'

He shouted at me the day before I gave birth (planned c section so we knew when it was) and I spent the full day in tears.

Anytime I was vulnerable, he would shout at me. Anytime he was supposed to be there for me, it was like it would make him angry instead as he just couldn't do it.

We have a ds together. I allow him one day every other weekend due to his continued abuse. He hasn't asked for anymore time. He doesn't ask how ds is or FaceTime him in the mean time.

That's because like your dh, he is utterly selfish and cannot see past his own needs .

I am lucky enough that we didn't have a mortgage and I am in my own home which is nothing to do with me. He's out of my life and we don't speak unless we have too. It's taken a while but life is better.

He found someone else straight away. Despite the false promises of change, he had her waiting in the wings and moved himself straight into her home. Incredibly painful however it's done me a huge favour too.

Men like these can't be alone. They just can't. So I wouldn't be surprised if this happens too.

You can't continue to live your life like this. Don't spend another 10 years living this life because you are afraid of what needs to happen now.

He won't change but you can change your life for the better...

Anotheranxiousone · 01/04/2024 11:53

Just thought I would give a brief update. Not much has changed, am still getting ducks in a row and trying to improve own financial position to be able to buy him out. Will seek to leave as soon as I can/it is a good time, but baby due imminently and I don't have energy/not in the right place to do it yet.

Have realised relationship only good if he is getting what he wants - in that case, it/he is fine and that is where my 'nice' moments happen which are what then make me doubt myself later on. Will think back to a nice memory and think he isn't so bad, but realising most of those only happen because he is getting his own way.

As an example, DD had a cold last weekend, DH had it in the week, I came down with it this weekend. DH had all classic symptoms - sneezing, constantly blowing nose, coughing etc. He complained as we all do and I was sympathetic (knowing full well I would probably get it as well)

Anyway I have got it and as always I have got laryngitis which I almost always do with a cold. He has spent the weekend telling me at least twice a day how I am doing the cold wrong - not blowing nose enough (impossible, have done nothing but and is now incredibly sore and bleeding!), coughing too much/putting it on OR not coughing productively enough etc. Has made comments about me needing to increase my aerobic levels as my chest is 'a joke' (I think he is mainly referring to the fact I get laryngitis almost every time I get a cold). Each time I told him to just give it a rest, this morning when he had a dig again I told him to stop using this as a way of asserting his superiority (he is even better at colds than me, it would appear) and in response get told I am aggressive rolls eyes. He went in a sulk yesterday morning because I didn't want to go out for breakfast (can't taste anything, feel rotten and have no voice). Honestly the whole thing is exhausting. He also told me I was planting my tomato seedlings incorrectly on Saturday (I wasn't - I was doing the method I always do and is based on Monty Don's advice/video!!) Probably loads of other things he has nipped at me over the weekend but it's so frequent I forget/don't even notice many of them.

We were supposed to be out today with friends and their kids but I can't go due to cold/no voice so he is not impressed with me about that. Literally no sympathy, care etc.

A few weeks ago was experiencing sciatica - thankfully only for a few weeks (pregnancy). Again, no interest and simply told me I should squat more. sigh

Useful to have this as a log/reminder of who he is for when I have moments of weakness!

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SeamsLegit · 01/04/2024 12:13

I can't wait for your post saying you have left this poor excuse for a man.