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My mum is with a convicted peadophile

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againstmywill · 22/01/2024 13:49

This is long one so please bear with me.
So, I found out 6 months ago that the man my mum has been with for 10 years is a convicted peadophile and she knew. He has had access to my twins since they were born, my mum has helped out with childcare, had them overnight and when I have been away (longest was 6 days). All of this was not allowed as part of his bail conditions.
When I fell pregnant he told the police officers that deal with him that I was pregnant. They told him that if he was to ever see my children that I would need to be told about his past, he told them that he would under no circumstances ever disclose that he was a peadophile to me or my mums family so he was told he was never allowed to see my children, even by accident and if he did, I would have to be told due to safeguarding. My mum was there during this meeting and agreed this and said because I don’t live close (I lived in London at the time which was about an hour/hour and a half drive) she would travel to see me and he would never have contact.
We moved closer to my family when the twins were one.
My twins are now 5 and have had a lot of contact with this man. They have been by themselves with him, stayed overnight in his house (also my mums) and for extended periods of time. They had a relationship with him, they were naked in his garden in the paddling pool, they stayed in the same hotel room as him.
Someone contacted the safeguarding team who knew about him and I got a phone call on a Friday afternoon asking me about who my mum was in a relationship with and then asking me not to let my children see him over the weekend, they would investigate and get back to me. We thought they had got something wrong but I questioned each twin separately to see if there was anything untoward about when being at Nanny’s, asked if they had seen private parts etc. the answer was no. I’ve banged into them about never keeping secrets from me, we use the ‘correct’ vocabulary for our private parts and spoken about how parts of your body are private and for them only. This is the case unless I need to help them (sore/uti/lazy with wiping). So I trust they are unharmed but, then again, they sleep like the living dead so that goes around in my head!
Monday, I hear nothing but I am admitted to hospital with a high temperature, 2 weeks postpartum with singleton, mastitis and a viral infection and needing to be on IV antibiotics. My mum is messaging, seeing if she needs to have my twins but they are with husbands family due to safeguarding call, baby is obviously in with me. Tuesday still nothing so I try to ring, nothing, try different number and get through and leave a message. Don’t hear anything in the afternoon so ring again, person on my case has changed so I ask to speak to someone higher up. Finally get given a number and it’s for a police officer. This is when we know the accusation is serious (other half and I are safeguard trained). Ring police officer and they need permission to share information before can tell us. Two hours later we get the call, it’s usually done face to face but with me being in hospital they said they would rather tell me sooner than later. 15 convictions and convictions read out, I burst into tears after the first one asking how my mum doesn’t know this. This is when I’m told that my mum does know and has know for a long time. 15 fucking convictions and it’s intrafamilial so he had easy access to those children too. I’m in no state to speak so my other half takes the lead and we are asked to make a statement backing up that he has had contact with my children.

My husband made a statement the next day, the police were so grateful and the whole team were gathering evidence as they wanted to get him. We found out more and more about my mum’s involvement and how much she knew. It’s safe to say the police were disgusted by her and weren’t afraid to make that known to my other half!
The next day the whole team turn up at his house and arrest him. My mum finally understands why she hasn’t heard from me from Tuesday afternoon.
He was sentenced before Christmas and isn’t going back to prison but has got a suspended sentence. He LIED for 5 years to the probation team and the specialist team that deals with him. His life doesn’t change. Her life, apart from not seeing me and her grandchildren, doesn’t change. One of my brothers still sees her with his daughter(!?). My other brothers haven’t heard from here ans are waiting for her to contact them, she has assumed they will feel like me. They see it as ‘but nothing happened to your twins’ which I feel isn’t the point!!!

My mum, after we found out a few months ago, married him.

My life is broken. My mum has committed the most heinous crime in my eyes, so I no longer have a mother. Her family haven’t contacted me after she told them that he’s a peadophile. So, with a decision that I did not make, my twins, my newborn and I need to suffer the consequences. My husband is being supportive and is unbelievably angry at my family, my brothers and obviously my mum. They don’t see how bad my mum has been and the danger she put my children in.

At first I lied to my DDs and said that Nanny and —— were on holiday. One twin turned round one morning and told me they knew nanny wasn’t on holiday and asked why they couldn’t see her. I had to tell them Nanny had done something very bad and put them in really bad danger but they’re 5 so they don’t really understand.
How can a mother do this to their child and grandchildren? How can my brothers not understand?
I can’t tell people because I’m so ashamed my mum could do this to us.

OP posts:
WildFlowerBees · 22/01/2024 15:27

It doesn't really matter what each conviction was for. He's had access to your children, if he's downloading images are you sure that he hasn't taken photos of your twins? I'd cut contact and seek therapy of sorts if you feel you need it. Pedophiles are skilled in manipulation and grooming. Look after yourself and your family first.

Hellohellohello1 · 22/01/2024 15:28

I honestly feel like I've been punched in the stomach reading this so I can't even imagine how you are feeling OP. That is absolutely AWFUL I am speechless

againstmywill · 22/01/2024 15:29

I cannot thank you all enough for your replies. I’m sorry I cannot reply to every single one of you.

To answer some of you. My brother’s wife does know but is standing by my brother for my DN to see my mum only, she is ND so I’m not sure if she knows the full story with him. He is not allowed contact with DN because of a joint decision of theirs. It would be okay for DN to see him because the police disclosed his offences to my brother (!!!!!) if they allowed that.

As a matter of urgency, I got my DDs play therapy through school and they have this weekly, school have been great. They said they could never be shocked but they were!

I have waited as I didn’t want to go to counselling still feeding my newborn but now, at 6 months and EBF she is now not feeding on demand and has got into more of a rhythm.

My brothers stand by my decision and we all talk openly about it but they still don’t get it and I think they have sympathy towards my mum that she feels that he is what she deserves. Their words.

also, I believe they took his phone and computer so I THINK they went through them. However, they wouldn’t have gone through my mums. I know he had photos of my children on his phone as he sent me some.

OP posts:
Vanilladay · 22/01/2024 15:32

SS will take a dim view of any parent allowing a paedophile access to their children. You're doing exactly the right thing by keeping away as painful as it might be.
Sadly, I think most ordinary people are happier to bury their heads in the sand rather than consider the unthinkable horror of what these people are doing and the impact on all the victims (this includes you and your family who have been so badly betrayed). By saying that sharing images is 'not so bad' completely disregards the horrendous torture inflicted. Victims who have had images shared have stated that their abuse was compounded by the knowledge that those images were being viewed again and again.

Bubbleohseven · 22/01/2024 15:34

Achillo · 22/01/2024 15:18

Paedophiles always seek out the desperately lonely women who will put having a partner over everything else in their life. The don't choose the people who would protect and defend those around them. They choose the women who will turn a blind eye on the condition that they won't be left.
I heard about an actual handbook they have that gets passed around online about how to access other people's kids. It said to try to date lonely, overweight single mothers who wouldn't usually get romantic or sexual attention, as a way to get inside people's homes. It broke my heart to read it but it opened my eyes. So sorry that you found out who your mum is in this heartbreaking way.
It's all about minding yourself, your lovely kids and DP now. Whatever it takes to deal with the anger, pain and loss you all feel.

Agreed

There's also an interview on YouTube - James English interviews a policeman who spent 10 years undercover infiltrating paedophile groups. Try and find it it's very eye opening.

Parentofeanda · 22/01/2024 15:35

This is very bad and im going to tell you a story as this exact thing happened to my friend with her 6 yr old girl.

Mum said oh but nothing happened. problem is when it does happen its too late to THEN decide to not see the person. Unfortunately for my friend it was too late, he had already violently hurt the poor girl.
His past had also been the grape and torture of little children YET her mum just said "its his past.. hes moved on" like WTF?!!!! He went back to prison and she went no contact with her mum. Little girl had to go through years of Counselling

HangingOver · 22/01/2024 15:35

I'm always astonished and sadden by how many women knowingly allow a pedo access to children. Unforgivable.

FrustatedAgain · 22/01/2024 15:38

You've done the right thing and protected your children.
I just don't understand how your mum could even want to breathe the same air as this man knowing what he has done.
This is a huge loss for you and you will grieve the loss of her. You are in no way in the wrong though.

DelilahsHaven · 22/01/2024 15:41

YouAreAnIdiot · 22/01/2024 14:59

With all due respect you don’t let your kids naked in someone’s garden or stay overnight even if your mother is there

He’s still a stranger FFS, lots of perverts around without formal conviction, you just don’t do that

What a cruel comment. Of course OP should have been able to trust her mother, she did nothing wrong and to suggest that she is in any way culpable in this situation is despicable in my opinion.

MuchuseasaChocolateTeapot · 22/01/2024 15:43

This is horrendous, I will never understand any parent who puts a new partner ahead of their own children (although scarily common) and this is the worst example of it I’ve ever seen. I have no advice as such but in your shoes I would have to let every emotion I feel play out to some extent. Worried about your twins? Ask the police if they can recommend a professional who deals in sexual assaults against children to talk to your children, not to frighten them but to reassure yourself that nothing untoward has happened to them. Furious? Contact the police or s/s about his ongoing contact with your DN and write a letter to your mother telling her how disgusted you are with her actions and that you are grateful that you are nothing like her. Desperately sad? I would be amazed if you can get through this without having some form of counselling, allow yourself to feel relieved and strong that you would safeguard your own kids with whatever it takes, but allow yourself to mourn that someone you trusted didn’t do that for you.

i hope that at the end of this you realise the strength of your unit with your DH and your children and how you have protected them. I hope your mother gets the wake up call she needs and I hope that filthy bastard rots.

RaccoonOnTheSofa · 22/01/2024 15:43

Parentofeanda · 22/01/2024 15:35

This is very bad and im going to tell you a story as this exact thing happened to my friend with her 6 yr old girl.

Mum said oh but nothing happened. problem is when it does happen its too late to THEN decide to not see the person. Unfortunately for my friend it was too late, he had already violently hurt the poor girl.
His past had also been the grape and torture of little children YET her mum just said "its his past.. hes moved on" like WTF?!!!! He went back to prison and she went no contact with her mum. Little girl had to go through years of Counselling

This is mind blowing.

I’d never let a paedophile near my child, even if they had been fully castrated. How horrific.

Alohapotato · 22/01/2024 15:44

Achillo · 22/01/2024 15:18

Paedophiles always seek out the desperately lonely women who will put having a partner over everything else in their life. The don't choose the people who would protect and defend those around them. They choose the women who will turn a blind eye on the condition that they won't be left.
I heard about an actual handbook they have that gets passed around online about how to access other people's kids. It said to try to date lonely, overweight single mothers who wouldn't usually get romantic or sexual attention, as a way to get inside people's homes. It broke my heart to read it but it opened my eyes. So sorry that you found out who your mum is in this heartbreaking way.
It's all about minding yourself, your lovely kids and DP now. Whatever it takes to deal with the anger, pain and loss you all feel.

Wow I had no idea. This is horrible, how manipulative they are .

lateatwork · 22/01/2024 15:47

Awful.

So glad someone had the foresight to contact the safeguarding team.

Idontwantavaluablelimelesson · 22/01/2024 15:49

RaccoonOnTheSofa · 22/01/2024 15:43

This is mind blowing.

I’d never let a paedophile near my child, even if they had been fully castrated. How horrific.

It's devastating but really not that mindblowing for anyone who's had first hand experience. Many people are absolute idiots and basically complicitly evil when it comes to this kindof thing as they find it easier to bury their heads in the sand. The problem is that not only can this massively fail to sg any children involved but it can send a very clear message that the victims or potential victims have no voice and are not a priority.

martinisforeveryone · 22/01/2024 15:49

I am so very sorry @againstmywill and relieved your DH and his family are supportive.

Once trust has been broken like this, there's no way back with your mother unfortunately. It's desperately sad that she's not the only grandparent enabler.

When I fell pregnant he told the police officers that deal with him that I was pregnant. They told him that if he was to ever see my children that I would need to be told about his past, he told them that he would under no circumstances ever disclose that he was a peadophile to me or my mums family so he was told he was never allowed to see my children, even by accident and if he did, I would have to be told due to safeguarding. My mum was there during this meeting and agreed this

How on earth does this happen that safeguarding is left to the offender and his partner to voluntarily disclose? How on earth could it ever be considered to be remotely safe for potential victims and what about your right to make informed choices on your children's behalf? We're not talking about unsubstantiated suspicions, this is someone who's committed such serious offences that he's had to maintain police contact.

My blood boils and my heart aches for you.

WhatWouldHopperDo · 22/01/2024 15:52

Just joining everyone else to say how sorry I am that this has happened. It must be devastating enough that your Mum has betrayed you in this way but to have the rest of the family shrug their shoulders and act as if nothing has happened is awful.

I'm so sorry you have lost your family in this way. Props to you & your DH for being so on it with your DCs, raising them to be smart about their bodies, what isn't acceptable and now protecting them at all costs.

I hope in time you will have the chance to process what's happened and find some kind of peace. I know it must be hard to imagine ever moving on from this.

Maddy70 · 22/01/2024 15:52

I am so sorry this has happened to you. Thankfully it seems that your children were unharmed which must be such a relief to you.

Often in these cases it seems that women are also groomed into believing their partners are safe and false accusations etc. But this is on her.

MinnieGirl · 22/01/2024 15:54

againstmywill · 22/01/2024 15:29

I cannot thank you all enough for your replies. I’m sorry I cannot reply to every single one of you.

To answer some of you. My brother’s wife does know but is standing by my brother for my DN to see my mum only, she is ND so I’m not sure if she knows the full story with him. He is not allowed contact with DN because of a joint decision of theirs. It would be okay for DN to see him because the police disclosed his offences to my brother (!!!!!) if they allowed that.

As a matter of urgency, I got my DDs play therapy through school and they have this weekly, school have been great. They said they could never be shocked but they were!

I have waited as I didn’t want to go to counselling still feeding my newborn but now, at 6 months and EBF she is now not feeding on demand and has got into more of a rhythm.

My brothers stand by my decision and we all talk openly about it but they still don’t get it and I think they have sympathy towards my mum that she feels that he is what she deserves. Their words.

also, I believe they took his phone and computer so I THINK they went through them. However, they wouldn’t have gone through my mums. I know he had photos of my children on his phone as he sent me some.

Edited

They would have taken any device in the house that was capable of recording an image. So if he was living with your mum her phone would have been taken. iPad camera pc laptop anything.

uncomfortablydumb53 · 22/01/2024 15:58

I'm so very sorry your Mum has betrayed you so deeply
Your DC have you and their Dad
That's all they need

FeralCats99 · 22/01/2024 16:04

Just wanted to say, I'm so sorry this has happened to you and your family. Normally I lurk about but couldn't read and run.
You've done absolutely the right thing. She has broken your trust but in turn you have to learn to live without her which is a horrid position to be in.
(As an aside, sure you have, but if she's local I'd explicitly state her name and her not to have permission to collect from brownies, dance etc in case she ever came and they ran to dear old gran.)

Hang in there

CormorantStrikesBack · 22/01/2024 16:04

redheadsaregreat · 22/01/2024 14:27

Jesus. Your brother with the dd who is still taking her to see them. I'm agog.

I’d have thought social services will get involved if this continues, surely the police will report this?

edited to add that sorry, I think have I got this right your nephew is now only seeing your mum, not he husband now. Which I guess from a SS pov is ok.

Whatsinaname1234 · 22/01/2024 16:05

I am so so sorry.

You need so much love right now.

I am normally balanced in my posts and encourage seeing both sides but this, this is utterly unforgivable and you should never see your mother again.

I’m appalled this creature isn’t back behind bars. And your mother I’m afraid should also have to answer questions in s criminal setting for not being transparent with the authorities.

I hope your family come round. If they don’t, know this: you are right and they are wrong.

sanferryanne · 22/01/2024 16:08

You MUST inform social services that your brother allows contact with his child. It chilled my blood to hear you say your mother's partner had sent you photos he had taken of your children.

Amy1998 · 22/01/2024 16:09

Their reasoning doesn’t make sense to me. A sex offender who has committed crimes against children cannot have unsupervised access with children under 18 or be anywhere a child is like parks, schools and the parents would be informed in the first instance, so they should have really told you in the first place

snowwhiteturtledoves · 22/01/2024 16:09

If your brother has taken his child to see your mum and the man was at the house that is another breach of his parole agreement.

Call the police and social services and report this.

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