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My mum is with a convicted peadophile

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againstmywill · 22/01/2024 13:49

This is long one so please bear with me.
So, I found out 6 months ago that the man my mum has been with for 10 years is a convicted peadophile and she knew. He has had access to my twins since they were born, my mum has helped out with childcare, had them overnight and when I have been away (longest was 6 days). All of this was not allowed as part of his bail conditions.
When I fell pregnant he told the police officers that deal with him that I was pregnant. They told him that if he was to ever see my children that I would need to be told about his past, he told them that he would under no circumstances ever disclose that he was a peadophile to me or my mums family so he was told he was never allowed to see my children, even by accident and if he did, I would have to be told due to safeguarding. My mum was there during this meeting and agreed this and said because I don’t live close (I lived in London at the time which was about an hour/hour and a half drive) she would travel to see me and he would never have contact.
We moved closer to my family when the twins were one.
My twins are now 5 and have had a lot of contact with this man. They have been by themselves with him, stayed overnight in his house (also my mums) and for extended periods of time. They had a relationship with him, they were naked in his garden in the paddling pool, they stayed in the same hotel room as him.
Someone contacted the safeguarding team who knew about him and I got a phone call on a Friday afternoon asking me about who my mum was in a relationship with and then asking me not to let my children see him over the weekend, they would investigate and get back to me. We thought they had got something wrong but I questioned each twin separately to see if there was anything untoward about when being at Nanny’s, asked if they had seen private parts etc. the answer was no. I’ve banged into them about never keeping secrets from me, we use the ‘correct’ vocabulary for our private parts and spoken about how parts of your body are private and for them only. This is the case unless I need to help them (sore/uti/lazy with wiping). So I trust they are unharmed but, then again, they sleep like the living dead so that goes around in my head!
Monday, I hear nothing but I am admitted to hospital with a high temperature, 2 weeks postpartum with singleton, mastitis and a viral infection and needing to be on IV antibiotics. My mum is messaging, seeing if she needs to have my twins but they are with husbands family due to safeguarding call, baby is obviously in with me. Tuesday still nothing so I try to ring, nothing, try different number and get through and leave a message. Don’t hear anything in the afternoon so ring again, person on my case has changed so I ask to speak to someone higher up. Finally get given a number and it’s for a police officer. This is when we know the accusation is serious (other half and I are safeguard trained). Ring police officer and they need permission to share information before can tell us. Two hours later we get the call, it’s usually done face to face but with me being in hospital they said they would rather tell me sooner than later. 15 convictions and convictions read out, I burst into tears after the first one asking how my mum doesn’t know this. This is when I’m told that my mum does know and has know for a long time. 15 fucking convictions and it’s intrafamilial so he had easy access to those children too. I’m in no state to speak so my other half takes the lead and we are asked to make a statement backing up that he has had contact with my children.

My husband made a statement the next day, the police were so grateful and the whole team were gathering evidence as they wanted to get him. We found out more and more about my mum’s involvement and how much she knew. It’s safe to say the police were disgusted by her and weren’t afraid to make that known to my other half!
The next day the whole team turn up at his house and arrest him. My mum finally understands why she hasn’t heard from me from Tuesday afternoon.
He was sentenced before Christmas and isn’t going back to prison but has got a suspended sentence. He LIED for 5 years to the probation team and the specialist team that deals with him. His life doesn’t change. Her life, apart from not seeing me and her grandchildren, doesn’t change. One of my brothers still sees her with his daughter(!?). My other brothers haven’t heard from here ans are waiting for her to contact them, she has assumed they will feel like me. They see it as ‘but nothing happened to your twins’ which I feel isn’t the point!!!

My mum, after we found out a few months ago, married him.

My life is broken. My mum has committed the most heinous crime in my eyes, so I no longer have a mother. Her family haven’t contacted me after she told them that he’s a peadophile. So, with a decision that I did not make, my twins, my newborn and I need to suffer the consequences. My husband is being supportive and is unbelievably angry at my family, my brothers and obviously my mum. They don’t see how bad my mum has been and the danger she put my children in.

At first I lied to my DDs and said that Nanny and —— were on holiday. One twin turned round one morning and told me they knew nanny wasn’t on holiday and asked why they couldn’t see her. I had to tell them Nanny had done something very bad and put them in really bad danger but they’re 5 so they don’t really understand.
How can a mother do this to their child and grandchildren? How can my brothers not understand?
I can’t tell people because I’m so ashamed my mum could do this to us.

OP posts:
WeveGotThis · 22/01/2024 23:56

I'm so sorry. I don't think your mum is a bad person at all, I think she was in a low spot and a manipulative, nasty person took advantage of her. Abusive and manipulative relationships (I can't believe theirs is anything but) work the same way as cults - she's making awful decisions now to put his needs over everyone else's but the reason you were so shocked is because you love her and this is presumably out of character? That doesn't excuse her choices and I hope for your sake she comes to her senses and kicks him out.

Have you thought about therapy? I hope you get her back one day. And I hope he goes to prison for breaking bail at the very least.

lookwhatyoudidthere · 22/01/2024 23:56

No advice, but how hideous for you, what a huge betrayal on your mums part. Thinking of you x

Runnerinthenight · 22/01/2024 23:57

YouAreAnIdiot · 22/01/2024 23:44

Splitting hairs for pointing the obvious ?

Do you need to be a CSA victim to realise that kids bathing in front of strangers is wrong? Who gives a flying fuck if somewhere in the house is her mum?

young mums are reading these threads, you give an awful message

No wonder so many adults come out with CSA experiences, cause someone like you prefers to live in la la land and ignore basic diligence

Apt username....

Who is to say whether he was present when the kids were being bathed? If my mother had been bathing my kids, my father absolutely would not have been there!!

Splitting hairs for trying to make the OP feel responsible, when she most definitely is not!!

Runnerinthenight · 22/01/2024 23:59

Messyhair321 · 22/01/2024 23:27

I don't feel surprised about anything anymore. This is unbelievably sad though especially because your DM felt that any crimes were historic? (Not knowing a lot about it, can people who commit sexual crime against children ever get to a point where they don't want to?) and/or she could have been groomed herself & charmed by him.

Does anyone know what crimes were actually committed? I know that some people are say 16 & have sex with someone who is15 & technically that is rape of.a minor. So I'd want to know what sort of crimes were committed. This would inform me of what sort of risk my children were subject to.
I can totally understand the feeling of betrayal of your DM. I can also see that the children will not get why they can't see their grandparents any more. They won't get it even if you told them probably, because they weren't hurt by him, they will only see it from their perspective. It'll be a huge loss for them, they won't see or care about anything else.
It's going to be time that'll heal this.
I'm really so sorry that you've lost your mother, despite what she's done, that's going to hurt & I can see that pain in your story.

The OP knows, and should not feel that she has to disclose it here. She absolutely should not.

Runnerinthenight · 23/01/2024 00:01

Damnedidont · 22/01/2024 23:50

My adopted children were abused by their birth father ànd his friends The mother was irritated by the screaming and so put her coat on and went out.

OMG that is absolutely horrendous!! Beyond words!

Are they coping?

Italiangreyhound · 23/01/2024 00:04

I'm so sorry, this is awful.

You are doing the right thing to protect your kids and your mum and brothers are awful to behave like this.

Ramalangadingdong · 23/01/2024 00:06

Snowdogsmitten · 22/01/2024 22:33

You fucking what now?

I don’t think she’s saying what you think. The post is clumsily written. I think she’s saying replying to someone who reprimanded op for her kids running round in mum and paedo’s house but as she points out at that point op
thought he was trustworthy partner to her mum so why wouldn’t she allow lids to play in the pool naked and be bathed by their nan.

WeveGotThis · 23/01/2024 00:06

Runnerinthenight · 23/01/2024 00:01

OMG that is absolutely horrendous!! Beyond words!

Are they coping?

Jesus Christ. I take back all the kind things I just said about giving OP's mum the benefit of the doubt. This is horrific.

momonpurpose · 23/01/2024 00:38

Damnedidont · 22/01/2024 23:50

My adopted children were abused by their birth father ànd his friends The mother was irritated by the screaming and so put her coat on and went out.

Dear God that is horrific. Thank God they have you now and are safe and loved

Runnerinthenight · 23/01/2024 00:43

WeveGotThis · 23/01/2024 00:06

Jesus Christ. I take back all the kind things I just said about giving OP's mum the benefit of the doubt. This is horrific.

What????!

WeveGotThis · 23/01/2024 00:52

@Runnerinthenight I was referring to the post by @Damnedidont about her own adopted children, completely unrelated to the OP. Horrible situation.

NaughtybutNice77 · 23/01/2024 00:56

OMG - the shock and betrayal. I can't imagine what you're going through. You've done your job as a parent but that's not going to stop you feeling that fear.
He is what he is. He owes you nothing. But your mum...I could never forgive this.
I'd like to think your mum truly believed your children weren't at risk. Maybe if you know that his offenses involved teen girls rather than small children you might feel a bit better.
I don't know what charities are around but I certainly think some counselling is in order for you. PTSD is real...this is traumatic. People without the skills might give you advice that could worsen your state of mind. Your children are safe. Now deal with the loss and damage of your mum. Unfortunately she wasn't who you thought she was.
Incidently I'm disgusted he has not received a custodial sentence.

MsDogLady · 23/01/2024 01:22

She was abused, physically by her father and she hates her mother for not protecting her.

And yet she repeated the pattern by knowingly failing to protect her own grandchildren, and indeed was herself a perpetrator by serving them up as arousal fodder or worse for her convicted pedophile boyfriend. In addition, she abused you and your H by stealing your agency as parents and failing to disclose his pedophilia and sex offender status, even after being instructed to do so by the authorities. And of course she manipulated and lied to said authorities by claiming there would be no contact.

He groomed your mother and both of them groomed and duped you all. That is heinous and criminal. Your brothers are wrong-headed to excuse her culpability and state that nothing happened to your children. They have no idea what has transpired behind those closed doors since the twins were born. They should be enraged that they were placed in harm’s way and that your consent/choices were robbed.

The horrific truth is, your mum set up her own granddaughters to be the targets of a monster’s lascivious gazing or deviant actions. I am gobsmacked by the cavalier attitude of the parents of your niece.

mums family…all went to the wedding…my mum probably didn’t tell them the whole truth my aunties husband is an ex police officer and trained as a lawyer.

@againstmywill, all of these people need to know the complete truth. All children whom he has regular access to need to be fully safeguarded. Does he have access to the children and grandchildren of other family, neighbors, family friends, church friends, etc.? There will likely be other adults and children he has groomed since being with your mum. After all, he’s a master manipulator who has even conned his probation team. Your enmeshed mum is as desperate as ever to please and prove her loyalty to him, hence the marriage.

Your children are blessed to have such a fierce and wonderful mother. Setting up play therapy for the girls was a very wise move. Has social services been contacted and has an official forensic interview been conducted?

I echo the suggestion that you seek the support of counseling as you process your great trauma, anger and grief.

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 23/01/2024 06:32

ShoePalaver · 22/01/2024 20:30

Not ridiculous. No need for kids to be naked or stay over with unrelated men.

Be quiet. They were staying over with their grandmother. Not dropped off with a random bloke.

Would you have said the same if her mother's partner had actually been her father? Because he's someone's father and still a monster. Should the mother of his children never left those children with him or allowed him to bath them, before she knew what he was??

Your comment is not kind or useful to OP who has been through enough and lost her entire family. Give your head a wobble.

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 23/01/2024 06:38

YouAreAnIdiot · 22/01/2024 23:44

Splitting hairs for pointing the obvious ?

Do you need to be a CSA victim to realise that kids bathing in front of strangers is wrong? Who gives a flying fuck if somewhere in the house is her mum?

young mums are reading these threads, you give an awful message

No wonder so many adults come out with CSA experiences, cause someone like you prefers to live in la la land and ignore basic diligence

They were with their grandmother. And the partner she had been with since before they were born. Not strangers AT ALL. Trusted adults in OPs life who she had no reason not to trust, especially as one was her own mother.

I really hope no one in your family turns out to be a monster like this. Because when people you trust implicitly betray you like this, it's the worst thing.

And I also presume from your really helpful comments you've never once left your children with any adult other than yourself, to be sure they aren't in any danger whatsoever?

If you haven't got anything kind or useful to say to OP, jog on.

LouLou198 · 23/01/2024 06:48

Gosh op how horrendous for you. Sorry not much advice, but maybe the NSPCC could provide you with some help with dealing with the aftermath? Flowers

SgtJuneAckland · 23/01/2024 07:16

@Messyhair321 the new offence of breach SHPO is the one that's sentenced and the judge will have sentenced within the sentencing guidelines. He can't be resentenced for the original offences.
I have attached the sentencing guidelines, or indicates to me that the sentencer assessed this as a B2 breach

www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/magistrates-court/item/breach-of-a-sexual-harm-prevention-order/

SgtJuneAckland · 23/01/2024 07:19

I'd also be interested to know if he has any significant health needs as at his age this could've been used by the defence as a mitigation and could be why his sentence was suspended rather than direct to custody.
OP was he given any requirements to his SSO? a curfew, an accredited programme etc?

Badtard · 23/01/2024 10:07

Sending you love OP. You've been through a horrendous time which has left scars. Can I strongly suggest that you get some counselling to talk this through?

How is your DH in this? He sounds strong and united with you and a supportive DH and DF, but is he ok? This level of shock and betrayal leaves its mark and you both will have been affected. Given the age of your DC and their inability to communicate their feelings and thoughts effectively, I can imagine that you're both on high alert much of the time so it's not as if your healing as a unit, can begin.

Be mindful of this moving forward. Take time to seek support to help you come to terms with this. I'm very fortunate in 2 of my closest friends - wonderful women who bring logic and calm to me when I need it (also NC with a Mum for a similar betrayal) so I didn't need actual counselling. You must process this awful situation together to be able to move forward.

I am thankful that your children have such loving parents who aren't blinkered or naive. They are very fortunate as, from this thread alone, we sadly see the levels of depravity that women accept to 'have a man'. I don't know whether some women are unable to 'cope' without a partner, or whether they are being abused themselves, but it's unfathomable that these women lose that protective maternal instinct that most of us have. I for one, can say with utter clarity that I would want to kill anyone who harmed my child. It's beyond me that every mother isn't them same and can only conclude that they must be damaged somehow.

This thread will be both a burden and a support for you and I pray that you're ok and coping. Know this: you have done, without question, the only correct thing a loving protective parent could do in this heinous situation that wasn't of your making. Your mother could have acted differently, but the choice she made has led to where we are. Thank God you are different. Flowers

SquirrelMadness · 23/01/2024 11:05

YouAreAnIdiot · 22/01/2024 23:44

Splitting hairs for pointing the obvious ?

Do you need to be a CSA victim to realise that kids bathing in front of strangers is wrong? Who gives a flying fuck if somewhere in the house is her mum?

young mums are reading these threads, you give an awful message

No wonder so many adults come out with CSA experiences, cause someone like you prefers to live in la la land and ignore basic diligence

Presumably when the mum was offering to bath the kids, the OP assumed her mum would be the one bathing the kids. Because that's what her mum was suggesting and she had no reason to disbelieve her.

Her mum didn't ask whether she would mind the step grandfather doing the bath.

Same with the swimming/paddling, OP sent swimsuits and had no reason to believe her mum wouldn't use them.

The OP did not consent to the step grandfather bathing the kids or to the kids running around naked.

Are you suggesting that if a child's grandmother meets a new partner, the child should never ben allowed to stay overnight at their grandmother's anymore? The partner wasn't a stranger, OP's mother had been with him for years. He was a trusted part of the family.

The OP did nothing wrong, it is very normal to trust your own mother. All of the blame and responsibility is on the mother and her now husband.

Ohdojustfuckoff · 23/01/2024 12:13

SquirrelMadness · 23/01/2024 11:05

Presumably when the mum was offering to bath the kids, the OP assumed her mum would be the one bathing the kids. Because that's what her mum was suggesting and she had no reason to disbelieve her.

Her mum didn't ask whether she would mind the step grandfather doing the bath.

Same with the swimming/paddling, OP sent swimsuits and had no reason to believe her mum wouldn't use them.

The OP did not consent to the step grandfather bathing the kids or to the kids running around naked.

Are you suggesting that if a child's grandmother meets a new partner, the child should never ben allowed to stay overnight at their grandmother's anymore? The partner wasn't a stranger, OP's mother had been with him for years. He was a trusted part of the family.

The OP did nothing wrong, it is very normal to trust your own mother. All of the blame and responsibility is on the mother and her now husband.

I agree with this, OP had no reason to believe that her mother would endanger her children. If she had a good enough childhood to want to be close to her mother, I can only presume that she displayed good protective behaviours throughout OPs childhood and expected the same from her mother when it came to her children.
You'd not double check any of the above details if you trusted someone's judgement and the other people who were around.

Thd recently found out details are what have changed the situation entirely.

scaredofthefuture2024 · 23/01/2024 14:44

I have nothing useful to add OP, but I just wanted to say that I'm sorry you're going through this and you sound like a great mum. I hope you're getting the support you need. Good luck.

Runnerinthenight · 23/01/2024 15:14

YouAreAnIdiot · 22/01/2024 23:44

Splitting hairs for pointing the obvious ?

Do you need to be a CSA victim to realise that kids bathing in front of strangers is wrong? Who gives a flying fuck if somewhere in the house is her mum?

young mums are reading these threads, you give an awful message

No wonder so many adults come out with CSA experiences, cause someone like you prefers to live in la la land and ignore basic diligence

The only one giving "an awful message" is you.

As for "No wonder so many adults come out with CSA experiences, cause someone like you prefers to live in la la land and ignore basic diligence" - what an utterly disgusting piece of crap to come out with!!! I don't know who you think you are!!!

Emotionalsupportviper · 24/01/2024 09:31

Damnedidont · 22/01/2024 23:50

My adopted children were abused by their birth father ànd his friends The mother was irritated by the screaming and so put her coat on and went out.

Your poor children!

That's horrific.

StopStartStop · 24/01/2024 09:34

@YouAreAnIdiot
You're making sensible points. The tone of the OP's posts shows her shock though and it might not be helpful to make her feel worse than she already does. Her mother betrayed her trust.

But generally, people need to be concerned about strangers (even ones who have married into the family) having access to their children. When my daughter was a child the rule was 'You can travel in a car with your father, or either of your grandfathers, but no-one else.' Not even uncles. And there was no stripping off in front of any men, not even daddy after he left the family home.

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