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My mum is with a convicted peadophile

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againstmywill · 22/01/2024 13:49

This is long one so please bear with me.
So, I found out 6 months ago that the man my mum has been with for 10 years is a convicted peadophile and she knew. He has had access to my twins since they were born, my mum has helped out with childcare, had them overnight and when I have been away (longest was 6 days). All of this was not allowed as part of his bail conditions.
When I fell pregnant he told the police officers that deal with him that I was pregnant. They told him that if he was to ever see my children that I would need to be told about his past, he told them that he would under no circumstances ever disclose that he was a peadophile to me or my mums family so he was told he was never allowed to see my children, even by accident and if he did, I would have to be told due to safeguarding. My mum was there during this meeting and agreed this and said because I don’t live close (I lived in London at the time which was about an hour/hour and a half drive) she would travel to see me and he would never have contact.
We moved closer to my family when the twins were one.
My twins are now 5 and have had a lot of contact with this man. They have been by themselves with him, stayed overnight in his house (also my mums) and for extended periods of time. They had a relationship with him, they were naked in his garden in the paddling pool, they stayed in the same hotel room as him.
Someone contacted the safeguarding team who knew about him and I got a phone call on a Friday afternoon asking me about who my mum was in a relationship with and then asking me not to let my children see him over the weekend, they would investigate and get back to me. We thought they had got something wrong but I questioned each twin separately to see if there was anything untoward about when being at Nanny’s, asked if they had seen private parts etc. the answer was no. I’ve banged into them about never keeping secrets from me, we use the ‘correct’ vocabulary for our private parts and spoken about how parts of your body are private and for them only. This is the case unless I need to help them (sore/uti/lazy with wiping). So I trust they are unharmed but, then again, they sleep like the living dead so that goes around in my head!
Monday, I hear nothing but I am admitted to hospital with a high temperature, 2 weeks postpartum with singleton, mastitis and a viral infection and needing to be on IV antibiotics. My mum is messaging, seeing if she needs to have my twins but they are with husbands family due to safeguarding call, baby is obviously in with me. Tuesday still nothing so I try to ring, nothing, try different number and get through and leave a message. Don’t hear anything in the afternoon so ring again, person on my case has changed so I ask to speak to someone higher up. Finally get given a number and it’s for a police officer. This is when we know the accusation is serious (other half and I are safeguard trained). Ring police officer and they need permission to share information before can tell us. Two hours later we get the call, it’s usually done face to face but with me being in hospital they said they would rather tell me sooner than later. 15 convictions and convictions read out, I burst into tears after the first one asking how my mum doesn’t know this. This is when I’m told that my mum does know and has know for a long time. 15 fucking convictions and it’s intrafamilial so he had easy access to those children too. I’m in no state to speak so my other half takes the lead and we are asked to make a statement backing up that he has had contact with my children.

My husband made a statement the next day, the police were so grateful and the whole team were gathering evidence as they wanted to get him. We found out more and more about my mum’s involvement and how much she knew. It’s safe to say the police were disgusted by her and weren’t afraid to make that known to my other half!
The next day the whole team turn up at his house and arrest him. My mum finally understands why she hasn’t heard from me from Tuesday afternoon.
He was sentenced before Christmas and isn’t going back to prison but has got a suspended sentence. He LIED for 5 years to the probation team and the specialist team that deals with him. His life doesn’t change. Her life, apart from not seeing me and her grandchildren, doesn’t change. One of my brothers still sees her with his daughter(!?). My other brothers haven’t heard from here ans are waiting for her to contact them, she has assumed they will feel like me. They see it as ‘but nothing happened to your twins’ which I feel isn’t the point!!!

My mum, after we found out a few months ago, married him.

My life is broken. My mum has committed the most heinous crime in my eyes, so I no longer have a mother. Her family haven’t contacted me after she told them that he’s a peadophile. So, with a decision that I did not make, my twins, my newborn and I need to suffer the consequences. My husband is being supportive and is unbelievably angry at my family, my brothers and obviously my mum. They don’t see how bad my mum has been and the danger she put my children in.

At first I lied to my DDs and said that Nanny and —— were on holiday. One twin turned round one morning and told me they knew nanny wasn’t on holiday and asked why they couldn’t see her. I had to tell them Nanny had done something very bad and put them in really bad danger but they’re 5 so they don’t really understand.
How can a mother do this to their child and grandchildren? How can my brothers not understand?
I can’t tell people because I’m so ashamed my mum could do this to us.

OP posts:
gmgnts · 22/01/2024 14:59

This is terrible. And appalling that he only received a suspended sentence after 5 years of lying to probation officers and breaking the terms of his probation so blatantly. If they find out that he is seeing your niece, hopefully that will send him to jail for breaking the terms (again). I feel for you Flowers

YouAreAnIdiot · 22/01/2024 14:59

With all due respect you don’t let your kids naked in someone’s garden or stay overnight even if your mother is there

He’s still a stranger FFS, lots of perverts around without formal conviction, you just don’t do that

PumpkinSly · 22/01/2024 15:00

Jfc. I'm so sorry you're dealing with this. I would never be able to forgive this betrayal. I think you need to make sure social services know about your brother's children still seeing him. I think the wider family should know about him so no other children are put in harms way.

LadyEloise1 · 22/01/2024 15:04

PumpkinSly · 22/01/2024 15:00

Jfc. I'm so sorry you're dealing with this. I would never be able to forgive this betrayal. I think you need to make sure social services know about your brother's children still seeing him. I think the wider family should know about him so no other children are put in harms way.

I agree with you @PumpkinSly

Idontwantavaluablelimelesson · 22/01/2024 15:06

OP I've been in a similar situation. Adopted dd, baby at the time, on placement with us but adoption order not granted yet. Things going well then out of the blue social workers requested urgent meeting. Family member with a whole heap of evidence that he'd been downloading some disgusting content. We weren't close to him so thank goodness he hadn't been with our dd alone. However, we'd been at lots of family events in which he was lurking about like a bad smell including a bbq in which my dd and her similar aged cousins had been running around naked.

It turns out that the rest of the family had known about this for months and chosen not to tell us and apparently chosen to do sod all to safeguard our dd or her cousins either. When it all came to head the other family members just couldn't grasp how serious it was. They were more interested in downplaying what this waste of air had done and gaslighting us and being bitchy to us because we dared to be angry about it. We genuinely came quite close to losing our dd. Children in care are already from such sensitive backgrounds and the sw's just couldn't believe we didn't know for a while. They made us feel like the naughty ones. We had to have tonnes more visits including unannounced and the whole legal process was extended. It was devastating and terrifying. The family members did fuck all to support us through this and to this day several years later have never apologised or even acknowledged how terrible this might have been for me and my dh. We are superficially polite to each other now but as far as I'm concerned these people are no longer my family. I do nothing to stop them seeing my dd but nor do I really trust them to care for her on any meaningful level. They never really liked me or my dh but this has proved that they absolutely don't love or care for us or dd either and never will.

The moral of this story is don't underestimate how thick as pig shit people can be about this kindof thing and don't allow people to gaslight you when you're protecting your child. If it was me I wouldn't want this man to cast eyes on my children again and I wouldn't trust mum to have unsupervised contact with them as she's proven herself to make very poor safeguarding decisions.

You will also need to be very careful to make sure that you really hammer the point to ss that you take this seriously and that you will do what it takes to safeguard your children. They won't take well to any diminishing of the situation or any dishonesty. Please just don't risk it.

Solidarity and hugs OP. This will get better I promise xx

VampireWeekday · 22/01/2024 15:06

YouAreAnIdiot · 22/01/2024 14:59

With all due respect you don’t let your kids naked in someone’s garden or stay overnight even if your mother is there

He’s still a stranger FFS, lots of perverts around without formal conviction, you just don’t do that

Out of order. This was at her mother's house. Completely normal for grandparents to take on this role. the OP could never in a thousand years have anticipated this betrayal from her own mother.

OP you are doing the right think, sending all courage to you and your family.

mn29 · 22/01/2024 15:06

I’m furious on your behalf. WTF was/is she thinking? That would absolutely be the end of the relationship with my mum, I don’t blame you at all. Have you spoken to your brothers about why they’re willing to let her/him see their own children and aren’t also furious at her?

Pleasehelpimexhausted · 22/01/2024 15:06

Oh my God what absolute betrayal of the worst kind. I can hardly think of anything a mother could do that would be worse than what she has done. I’m so sorry you’ve had this shock.

For me, there would be absolutely no coming back from this. Nothing can explain it away.

I’m NC with my parents because of addiction/abuse reasons and although different to this scenario there was a lot in my past that I felt was ‘embarrassing’ and kept from people. It took me years to realise my parents actions had nothing to do with me, I had no reason to feel ashamed or tainted by association, and that people were actually very sympathetic when I told them the truth. I hope you can reach this point eventually so people can support you.

I would try to book some family counselling, are there any psychological therapies that could just gently probe with your twins to make sure nothing untoward happened? It will be like a bereavement for a while, you’ll go through various extremes of emotion (including missing your mum and feeling guilty perhaps) so go very easy with yourself and just allow yourself to feel them.

I would also, if possible, warn everybody that they may have ANY contact with who has children, or pass their details to the police. This man is depraved and has already broken his bail conditions. I would be surprised if he has not actively offended since his original convictions.

All the best to you 💐

gamerchick · 22/01/2024 15:07

Christ I'm sorry OP. You must be reeling. Just focus on getting well and your babies.

Don't be under the illusion her life's not going to change though. She's been shielding a nonce, when word gets out she'll have to move. They won't get any peace now.

Not that is a comfort to you but she hasn't escaped judgment.

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WinterDeWinter · 22/01/2024 15:08

Op, I don't know what to say, other than to beg you to seek out help to deal with this almost unimaginable betrayal.

Your daughters have an incredible mother - and you need to mourn the one you never had.

HenndigoOZ · 22/01/2024 15:08

I am so sorry. You must be so shattered by your mother’s betrayal. Her decision to stay with and marry such a man is incomprehensible. And so are her lies both to the police and to you. She is as dangerous as he is and you have done the right thing to go no contact.
it must feel that the mum you once thought you knew and trusted has somehow died.

Peaceandquietandacuppa · 22/01/2024 15:09

This is horrific. Please get counselling for yourself.

You have absolutely done the right thing. I pray to god your brother’s child doesn’t get abused by him. Does the mum know?! If not, I would absolutely tell her all the offences and tell her she can check with the police. Or you could report them for safeguarding re. their child. Maybe he will get jail time this time…

Your mum is completely messed up and sounds like you are better off without her right now.

I’d tell your children a watered down version of the truth. We can’t see nanny any more sadly but it’s not because of anything we’ve done.

caringcarer · 22/01/2024 15:18

That is a huge betrayal. Every time they were in his company they were at huge risk. I'd never speak to her again either. As your twins grew a bit older I'd probably also tell them that X has hurt a lot of little children and we can't see Nanny because she knew and put you at risk of harm.

Achillo · 22/01/2024 15:18

Paedophiles always seek out the desperately lonely women who will put having a partner over everything else in their life. The don't choose the people who would protect and defend those around them. They choose the women who will turn a blind eye on the condition that they won't be left.
I heard about an actual handbook they have that gets passed around online about how to access other people's kids. It said to try to date lonely, overweight single mothers who wouldn't usually get romantic or sexual attention, as a way to get inside people's homes. It broke my heart to read it but it opened my eyes. So sorry that you found out who your mum is in this heartbreaking way.
It's all about minding yourself, your lovely kids and DP now. Whatever it takes to deal with the anger, pain and loss you all feel.

InAPickle12345 · 22/01/2024 15:20

Jesus OP, I'm gobsmacked and don't really have any advice.

But the advice here is probably spot on: Therapy for you, maybe some play therapy for the girls might hopefully ease your mind a little also?

Report that your brothers child is still seeing him to social services, I'd report to the child's mother as well.

If it was me, I would go fucking nuclear and tell every single member of the family as well as anyone else that might come into contact with them... but I'm a hot head when scorned.

He's a disgusting piece of shit, and she's a vile excuse for a mother and grandmother. But I imagine the loss of those relationships, or what you thought those relationships were, is going to be upsetting for you too.

I'm so so sorry you're going through this, it's just beyond belief that someone could do this. X

SaladDays2024 · 22/01/2024 15:21

I would never forgive my mum.

2mummies1baby · 22/01/2024 15:21

I am so, so sorry this has happened to you. All you can do is continue to protect your three lovely children and take support from the people around you that you can trust.

GreatGateauxsby · 22/01/2024 15:22

I have no good advice only sympathy.
💐💐💐

This is absolutely horrific and a very literal living nightmare...The level of betrayal is unreal.
It's totally unforgivable not that your arsehole mum is looking for forgiveness or seems to have think she's done anything wrong.
I don't know how I would cope if my mother did this to me.

Your mother is a total POS. What in god's name is going on in her brain? How? Why?

And the fucking inertia of your wider family popping along to the wedding and pretending it's all fine and dandy would make me want to scream and scream until I couldn't scream anymore.

Please get some therapy and be kind to yourself.

Can you report him for continuing to breech his parole by having contact with your nephew?

Blubbled · 22/01/2024 15:23

I'm so sorry OP, YOUR MOTHER HAS TOTALLY BETRAYED YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN! I can't fathom how she could be with someone she knew was a child predator, never mind have her grandchildren round him.
I don't know what else to say except it must be a relief that your children have not been preyed on by him, but that doesn't lessen the massive sense of betrayal, pain and horror you must feel. I'm so sorry.

Smineusername · 22/01/2024 15:23

She's as bad as he is, frankly.

I'm so sorry this has happened to you but your relationship with that woman is over. At least now you know what you're dealing with.

In terms of wtf was she thinking, it may be that unbeknownst to you she is also a victim of incest or similar and on some level thinks it's normal/acceptable. Your brothers' lack of reaction speaks to a family culture of repression/denial

momonpurpose · 22/01/2024 15:23

LifeExperience · 22/01/2024 14:55

I don't know what to say other than some women are so desperate for a man that they will do and allow anything. I have no idea why. She's chosen the disgusting pedophile over her daughter and grandchildren, and exposed her grandchildren to extreme risk. She is contemptible.

You're doing the right thing, OP. A good mum protects her children. I'm sorry that you will have to grieve the mum you thought you had but didn't.

OP this says everything. You are protecting your children. Your mother is evil and any family that sides with this is disgusting. But I know you of course are grieving losing your family. But what you are doing is the epitome of a good mother and I hope that gives you some peace. Your mother should be in jail. She's no mother much less grandmother. I have a friend same thing. I lost all respect for because when the allegations proved true she still took her mothers side because the mother has such a good heart she couldn't turn the guy away. You are handling a horrific situation admirably.

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 22/01/2024 15:23

I’m so sorry OP that is probably one of the most horrendous things ive read. The least I could do is cut my mother off but tbh I’m not sure I could control myself from physically hurting her. I’d cut off all who insisted on keeping in touch with her.

Motherbear44 · 22/01/2024 15:26

NotMyFirstChoiceofName · 22/01/2024 14:50

@againstmywill

Im sp so sorry, I have been in a similar situation and can imagine you must be completely devastated. Please get some expert support, as Pp have mentioned.

Also please don’t be bullied into giving any more information on this thread about the nature of his offences. you don’t need to justify your decisions and you don’t know who is reading what you post here IYWSIM.

I would also recommend that you DONT share with your wider circle of friends / family / colleagues why you are now Nc with your mother, otherwise you will get nosey buggers trying to get all the sordid details . That doesn’t help anyone and it can make you feel defensive and doubting your own decision.

This will get harder as your mother gets older / has health issues.

Just agree a set story and you and your Dh tell that to everyone eg

” We are not in contact because of very serious things that have happened in the past. I’m sure you will understand it’s too hard to talk about / I don’t want to talk about it / it’s private. Thank you for respecting our wishes on this.”

Then refuse to be drawn on anything at all. 100% of the time. I promise you it’s much easier to say nothing EVERY SINGLE TIME than to say a little. Your idea of “ a little “ may be different from your husbands. And different when you are upset one day and say too much.

It becomes easier as time goes by and new people you meet will just assume that your mum is dead.

I also advise that you refuse to justify this with your siblings, and only discuss if you think they are genuinely questioning the wisdom of their own actions and not trying to get you to change your mind.

You need to be prepared that they might cut you off for refusing to see your mother.

please understand - I’m saying this to protect YOU and your CHILDREN, not the abuser and his co conspirator.

Im not referring to professional advisors / counsellors / your closest most trustworthy friend . Just everyone else.

Im also aware that your mother will have been groomed by this man, but she has put her Gc at serious risk. There is help out there for her, if she wants it, but you can’t be the one to do this for her.

She has forced you to choose between her and your children . Which is of course no choice at all.

OP: I want to offer you a virtual hug. No one should have to experience this, but they do and getting out the other side is hard. The advice about how to reply to any questions about why you are not in contact is really sound. It protects you against gossip that can get out of hand. Learn the script and stick to it.

I am shocked about how your mother has betrayed you. I babysit my nephew's children on a regular basis. I can tell you that I am much more protective than I was with my own kids!!

One of the aspects of this narrative that is particularly striking is that the OPs mother held it against her own mother for allowing her to be abused by her father. Yet she perpetuates the behaviour????? Maybe psychologists can offer an explanation.

Trickedbyadoughnut · 22/01/2024 15:26

This is horrendous and absolutely unforgiveable. And how devastating for you to lose your mother/family in this way.

I'm sorry if I missed it but have the police and SS been told of her/his access to your nephew/niece? If not, someone needs to report it asap.

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