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My mum is with a convicted peadophile

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againstmywill · 22/01/2024 13:49

This is long one so please bear with me.
So, I found out 6 months ago that the man my mum has been with for 10 years is a convicted peadophile and she knew. He has had access to my twins since they were born, my mum has helped out with childcare, had them overnight and when I have been away (longest was 6 days). All of this was not allowed as part of his bail conditions.
When I fell pregnant he told the police officers that deal with him that I was pregnant. They told him that if he was to ever see my children that I would need to be told about his past, he told them that he would under no circumstances ever disclose that he was a peadophile to me or my mums family so he was told he was never allowed to see my children, even by accident and if he did, I would have to be told due to safeguarding. My mum was there during this meeting and agreed this and said because I don’t live close (I lived in London at the time which was about an hour/hour and a half drive) she would travel to see me and he would never have contact.
We moved closer to my family when the twins were one.
My twins are now 5 and have had a lot of contact with this man. They have been by themselves with him, stayed overnight in his house (also my mums) and for extended periods of time. They had a relationship with him, they were naked in his garden in the paddling pool, they stayed in the same hotel room as him.
Someone contacted the safeguarding team who knew about him and I got a phone call on a Friday afternoon asking me about who my mum was in a relationship with and then asking me not to let my children see him over the weekend, they would investigate and get back to me. We thought they had got something wrong but I questioned each twin separately to see if there was anything untoward about when being at Nanny’s, asked if they had seen private parts etc. the answer was no. I’ve banged into them about never keeping secrets from me, we use the ‘correct’ vocabulary for our private parts and spoken about how parts of your body are private and for them only. This is the case unless I need to help them (sore/uti/lazy with wiping). So I trust they are unharmed but, then again, they sleep like the living dead so that goes around in my head!
Monday, I hear nothing but I am admitted to hospital with a high temperature, 2 weeks postpartum with singleton, mastitis and a viral infection and needing to be on IV antibiotics. My mum is messaging, seeing if she needs to have my twins but they are with husbands family due to safeguarding call, baby is obviously in with me. Tuesday still nothing so I try to ring, nothing, try different number and get through and leave a message. Don’t hear anything in the afternoon so ring again, person on my case has changed so I ask to speak to someone higher up. Finally get given a number and it’s for a police officer. This is when we know the accusation is serious (other half and I are safeguard trained). Ring police officer and they need permission to share information before can tell us. Two hours later we get the call, it’s usually done face to face but with me being in hospital they said they would rather tell me sooner than later. 15 convictions and convictions read out, I burst into tears after the first one asking how my mum doesn’t know this. This is when I’m told that my mum does know and has know for a long time. 15 fucking convictions and it’s intrafamilial so he had easy access to those children too. I’m in no state to speak so my other half takes the lead and we are asked to make a statement backing up that he has had contact with my children.

My husband made a statement the next day, the police were so grateful and the whole team were gathering evidence as they wanted to get him. We found out more and more about my mum’s involvement and how much she knew. It’s safe to say the police were disgusted by her and weren’t afraid to make that known to my other half!
The next day the whole team turn up at his house and arrest him. My mum finally understands why she hasn’t heard from me from Tuesday afternoon.
He was sentenced before Christmas and isn’t going back to prison but has got a suspended sentence. He LIED for 5 years to the probation team and the specialist team that deals with him. His life doesn’t change. Her life, apart from not seeing me and her grandchildren, doesn’t change. One of my brothers still sees her with his daughter(!?). My other brothers haven’t heard from here ans are waiting for her to contact them, she has assumed they will feel like me. They see it as ‘but nothing happened to your twins’ which I feel isn’t the point!!!

My mum, after we found out a few months ago, married him.

My life is broken. My mum has committed the most heinous crime in my eyes, so I no longer have a mother. Her family haven’t contacted me after she told them that he’s a peadophile. So, with a decision that I did not make, my twins, my newborn and I need to suffer the consequences. My husband is being supportive and is unbelievably angry at my family, my brothers and obviously my mum. They don’t see how bad my mum has been and the danger she put my children in.

At first I lied to my DDs and said that Nanny and —— were on holiday. One twin turned round one morning and told me they knew nanny wasn’t on holiday and asked why they couldn’t see her. I had to tell them Nanny had done something very bad and put them in really bad danger but they’re 5 so they don’t really understand.
How can a mother do this to their child and grandchildren? How can my brothers not understand?
I can’t tell people because I’m so ashamed my mum could do this to us.

OP posts:
greasypolemonkeyman · 22/01/2024 16:10

Achillo · 22/01/2024 15:18

Paedophiles always seek out the desperately lonely women who will put having a partner over everything else in their life. The don't choose the people who would protect and defend those around them. They choose the women who will turn a blind eye on the condition that they won't be left.
I heard about an actual handbook they have that gets passed around online about how to access other people's kids. It said to try to date lonely, overweight single mothers who wouldn't usually get romantic or sexual attention, as a way to get inside people's homes. It broke my heart to read it but it opened my eyes. So sorry that you found out who your mum is in this heartbreaking way.
It's all about minding yourself, your lovely kids and DP now. Whatever it takes to deal with the anger, pain and loss you all feel.

This is very true, I remember reading a study about sexual offenders where they cooperated with the Drs etc and answered questions. I always remember one of them saying they could pick potential victims out of a room full of 25 people just by watching them interact. He said you could spot the vulnerable a mile off , the ones that wouldn't have the courage to say no or that were desperate for attention. They are literal predators that can sniff out the best way to get what they want. A strong self assured person that has been properly schooled in appropriate touches and no no squares and shown firm boundraries and consistency throughout childhood is much more likely to say no and tell an adult or shout for help. So they tend not to go for that type as is much more risky if they have vigilant parents that care . That's not to say that strong well rounded people aren't abused but it tends to be more opportunistic as opposed to a long term grooming campaign where they slide themselves into the entire family and often groom the parent and extended family as well. They are monsters.

I was a victim as a child myself and I was neurodivergent, emotionally neglected and had two parents that had incredibly poor boundraries with friends. So I went onto be sexually assaulted and raped as a teen, then to be in a DV relationship and to be raped as a young adult and I ended up with a cocaine addiction and no end of other problems. It's taken me 2 decades to slowly unpick my life and get therapy and just be able to sleep at night.

Op, I know this must have hit you like a ton of bricks and I really hope you do get therapy to help you come to terms with it. The man that sexually abused me was my baby sisters god father and even when they were told that he had a conviction in the early 90s, he explained it away and they kept him around. I eventually told them when I was 15 and he dropped off the radar but they didn't believe me. They went to visit him a year later and then they were friends again. I eventually went to the police when his step daughter I used to baby sit got contacted my through the new fb and said he had been raping her every day from age 7-17. He was convicted. He had previous convictions for rapping his first daughter and step daughter in the 80s and also for beastiality.

My parents STILL went to see him in prison. Because they preferred to believe him and his innocence as to admit he was a C monster meant that they had shocking judgement and THAT couldn't be true. Even worse after this all came out they found another "friend" who fleeced them of a fortune and turned out to a convicted rapist and bigamist and they still defended him even when faced with the news records. Again, deluded.

It took me a long time to deal with my conflicted emotions. These days I do still see my mum occasionally but it's very fleeting. Like 15 minutes 3-4 times a year and I do that for my sisters, not them. I don't feel anything for her apart from a vague feeling of disappointment. She has never ever put me or my sisters first and the damage this has caused has almost ruined my life. I won't be sad when she's dead.

JaffaCake24 · 22/01/2024 16:14

A betrayal of the highest order. Parents are not supposed to put their partner, especially such a disgusting specimen as this one, before their own flesh and blood. She is vile OP. I'm so so so sorry. No one deserves this for a parent.

Your DM and her partner are equally bad - because by staying with him, she is passively supporting his actions.

It's only when you leave someone, you make them pay the price for the innocence they stole and the sense of disgust those children will have to revisit for the rest of their lives. The confusion, the heart-break, the questioning, the pain - all of it will be there, like a stain they can never get rid of. He took something that didn't belong to him and put his own sick desires above those of a number of small helpless children.

You DM is a monster. Low self-esteem is an excuse but it doesn't work because to go and marry him is like a "fuck you" act.

You must still be in shock. I don't know how you get over this. To me, I'd have to try and pretend she was dead.

How she can sleep at night and be married to him, I don't know. How morals, how boundaries, how values, are extremely poor. It's fine to think you are worthless. But to actively choose someone so depraved? It is just shocking. What does she get out of it?

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rainonthewindows · 22/01/2024 16:16

There was a man arrested in Cornwall in September, he was a support worker and used clients internet to access over 300 of the worst type of child porn.
Turns out his partner already knew and is pregnant with his child and he lives with her and her 3 other dc.
The judge didn't give him a custodial sentence due to the fact she was pregnant.
He has to sign the register for 10 years and that's it.
I hope he doesn't ever do the school run because his step child goes to the school my dc will be going.

squirrelnutkin10 · 22/01/2024 16:16

Op l cannot believe what a horrendous situation this is, the ultimate betrayal by your mum, they are both monsters.

Thank god you are strong enough to break this cycle of abuse and cut them off, please please do not waver ever..

baldpenguine · 22/01/2024 16:18

I am so sorry this has happened to you. This is one of the most appalling things I've ever read on here.

What a vile, sick, twisted nonce. He deserves every single thing thrown at him.

As for your mum, I don't care if she's vulnerable. She's got a brain and cells at that. She's an absolutely pitiful excuse of a mother and grand mother.

You've done everything you can OP. You sound like a fantastic mum.

LittleMissSleepyUK · 22/01/2024 16:18

I can’t believe he broke bail conditions, quite dramatically, and didn’t get prison time. That’s absolutely shocking.

I really feel for you. Has your mum contacted you at all? Even more shocking she’s now married him

leighanneJ · 22/01/2024 16:18

You have made the right decision op. As difficult as it is. Your relationship with your mum ended right there. Even if she divorced him tomorrow, the relationship is over. How can she do this? How can you be with someone who has done those heinous things to children, those children are now changed forever. Putting her own grandkids at risk of sexual abuse…its hard to fathom 😣

i would make sure every single person in the family and all close friends of theirs esp with children knew exactly who he is. Be it an anonymous letter through their door. Sick fuck doesn’t deserve a life

cannaecookrisotto · 22/01/2024 16:18

No advice OP but holy fuck your head must be reeling. I'm so sorry you're going through this and I can't even imagine the rage and fury I would feel being in your position.

I just can't believe your mother would put her grandkids and you in this position. I would never speak to her again and god help her if she knocked on my door.

Look after yourself and take each day as it comes.

Raqu15 · 22/01/2024 16:19

I'm sorry OP. For me, this would be enough to make me go NC with my mum so I don't blame you at all.

I know your DC said nothing happened but who knows what could have happened whilst they were babies and they wouldn't remember & photos etc? My mind is actually going wild right now. I personally don't think Paedos can ever be reformed.

She willingly put your children in danger. She's a horrible human being. I agree with PPs regarding therapy. You and your family would benefit from that.

This is a horrible situation, wishing you all the best xx

BlackFriYay · 22/01/2024 16:21

SS will take a dim view of any parent allowing a paedophile access to their children

Mmm. It's a postcode lottery.

I know somebody who allowed their children to spend time with a known convicted paedophile. The police had a tip off about his Internet activity (grooming kids online, after spending time in prison for sexually abusing a child) and his house was raided, uncovering naked pictures of one of this woman's own DC.

SS were alerted and the first thing she did was minimise it all. They told her not to take them round there again but she did.

I then reported her to the police and SS myself. Nothing happened.

JaffaCake24 · 22/01/2024 16:21

Thank God someone reported him. Thank you stranger in the midst. If only there were more of these walking angels, we could save more children from harm.

GreatGateauxsby · 22/01/2024 16:22

Given you know what his convictions are, is it worth putting it down black and white and emailing / what's apping the entire family?

You can explain you aren't in contact with your DM or her husband because your DM systematically lied to you and the police.
he was found guilty beyond reasonable doubt of X Y and Z * he is a paedophile and he should not be allowed contact with children or polite society.

That way here is no ambiguity within the wider family. And people like your SIL don't have to relying on your DB or MIL to tell them the "full story".

*And I would NOT sugar coat any of this
by listing the conviction eg. "grievous sex act" or whatever

I would spell out very clearly the crimes he committed eg
he anally raped a 6 year old boy... Forced a 5 year old girl to give him a blow job...and threatened to kill her and her famipy if she told anyone...whatever utterly heinous acts he committed in black and white.

Your family are awful and you are doing 100% the right thing 💐

ImCamembertTheBigCheese · 22/01/2024 16:22

So sorry OP Flowers How horrendous.

I have seen this type of woman before, will make every excuse under the sun and write her own narrative in her head which is how she excuses what he did. I could not come back from such a betrayal.

Carsarelife · 22/01/2024 16:23

This is shocking. You must not know how to feel or which way to turn. It's just such poor judgement on your mums part with her knowing. She's actually put her grandchildren at risk and probably didn't care. I mean I assume she cared but didn't think to give you the heads up as she probably knew you'd pull away from her

Pleasehelpimexhausted · 22/01/2024 16:26

rainonthewindows · 22/01/2024 16:16

There was a man arrested in Cornwall in September, he was a support worker and used clients internet to access over 300 of the worst type of child porn.
Turns out his partner already knew and is pregnant with his child and he lives with her and her 3 other dc.
The judge didn't give him a custodial sentence due to the fact she was pregnant.
He has to sign the register for 10 years and that's it.
I hope he doesn't ever do the school run because his step child goes to the school my dc will be going.

Just a reminder that ‘child porn’ is not a term that is used, children cannot be porn actors. Correct term is ‘child sexual abuse images’ (sorry don’t want to derail but felt this needed to be pointed out)

Mrsgreen100 · 22/01/2024 16:29

Bless you how awful for you, I would cut contact with your mother completely, but in the knowledge that she’s got herself a master
manipulator and is probably so deeply under his spell , she can’t/ won’t see the truth.
shut the door on all contact with your kids but maybe leave it a jar if she comes to her senses.
stay strong

HappyLittleTreeFriend · 22/01/2024 16:31

You have had some good advice from people on this thread OP, I just wanted to say that you sound like a strong and loving mother, I feel so sorry for you that this is happening but it sounds like you and your DH have your heads screwed on and are doing everything you can to move on from this as a family and look after all your DC. Stay strong and you will all get through this 💐💐💐💐

Menapausemum1974 · 22/01/2024 16:34

That’s horrendous, I really feel for you, not only do you have the unthinkable to think about you have also lost your mum, both the one you thought she was and the real her! this is not your shame, you are completely innocent in all of this, people like your family can sometimes prefer to bury their heads and act like nothings happened. Not sure if they just don’t have the capacity to understand what damage this man has caused or just don’t care! 🤷‍♀️ some of my family chose this reaction too. Speak to friends that you can trust and give yourself time, your husband will be justifiably angry and hurting too so look after each other. Your mum has made her choice and now that’s what you are doing , the difference is you are putting innocent people first and not the perpetrator. I hope things get easier with time ❤️

Mariluisa · 22/01/2024 16:35

SaturdayGiraffe · 22/01/2024 13:57

The level of betrayal is enormous. I could never trust someone who made that decision again.
Your children have you, that’s the main thing.

This

It’s just such a monumental betrayal. And will mess with your mind even more if you pay too much attention to anyone saying ‘what’s the issue, your twins are ok’.

Sounds like you’ll be ok (not yet obviously) due to your approach and values. I’ve gone through something similar, FIL. I think I did protect our DD, through a mixture of radar, luck, and bad vibes about how he was with his teen step daughters. Also how pushy he was to have her away from us. I made myself very unpopular at the time. In the end my SMIL acted out so badly that it kind of took the issue out of our hands.

This was in the 90s but my mind still goes back and scans if I let anything happen despite all that vigilance

Redcar78 · 22/01/2024 16:35

Oh my, I'm so sorry, I have 5 yo twins and this made my blood run cold. I'd never have anything to do with my mother or brothers again. There's a line and they've crossed it and there's no going back from that. I hope you're all ok in time 💐 xx

TooOldForThisNonsense · 22/01/2024 16:37

You poor woman. What a betrayal. You have nothing to feel ashamed for x

Runnerinthenight · 22/01/2024 16:39

YouAreAnIdiot · 22/01/2024 14:59

With all due respect you don’t let your kids naked in someone’s garden or stay overnight even if your mother is there

He’s still a stranger FFS, lots of perverts around without formal conviction, you just don’t do that

That is ridiculous.

DocOck · 22/01/2024 16:39

I have no shame in saying, if I were in your shoes, I would act like that woman was dead to me.

scoobysnaxx · 22/01/2024 16:44

Gosh this is shocking.

This really is the worst breach of trust I could think of. Your own mother. What a betrayal. I could NEVER forgive this!!

You're right to cut contact of course.
Your brothers are insane, as is your mum!

baldpenguine · 22/01/2024 16:55

GreatGateauxsby · 22/01/2024 16:22

Given you know what his convictions are, is it worth putting it down black and white and emailing / what's apping the entire family?

You can explain you aren't in contact with your DM or her husband because your DM systematically lied to you and the police.
he was found guilty beyond reasonable doubt of X Y and Z * he is a paedophile and he should not be allowed contact with children or polite society.

That way here is no ambiguity within the wider family. And people like your SIL don't have to relying on your DB or MIL to tell them the "full story".

*And I would NOT sugar coat any of this
by listing the conviction eg. "grievous sex act" or whatever

I would spell out very clearly the crimes he committed eg
he anally raped a 6 year old boy... Forced a 5 year old girl to give him a blow job...and threatened to kill her and her famipy if she told anyone...whatever utterly heinous acts he committed in black and white.

Your family are awful and you are doing 100% the right thing 💐

This is a good idea.

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