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My mum is with a convicted peadophile

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againstmywill · 22/01/2024 13:49

This is long one so please bear with me.
So, I found out 6 months ago that the man my mum has been with for 10 years is a convicted peadophile and she knew. He has had access to my twins since they were born, my mum has helped out with childcare, had them overnight and when I have been away (longest was 6 days). All of this was not allowed as part of his bail conditions.
When I fell pregnant he told the police officers that deal with him that I was pregnant. They told him that if he was to ever see my children that I would need to be told about his past, he told them that he would under no circumstances ever disclose that he was a peadophile to me or my mums family so he was told he was never allowed to see my children, even by accident and if he did, I would have to be told due to safeguarding. My mum was there during this meeting and agreed this and said because I don’t live close (I lived in London at the time which was about an hour/hour and a half drive) she would travel to see me and he would never have contact.
We moved closer to my family when the twins were one.
My twins are now 5 and have had a lot of contact with this man. They have been by themselves with him, stayed overnight in his house (also my mums) and for extended periods of time. They had a relationship with him, they were naked in his garden in the paddling pool, they stayed in the same hotel room as him.
Someone contacted the safeguarding team who knew about him and I got a phone call on a Friday afternoon asking me about who my mum was in a relationship with and then asking me not to let my children see him over the weekend, they would investigate and get back to me. We thought they had got something wrong but I questioned each twin separately to see if there was anything untoward about when being at Nanny’s, asked if they had seen private parts etc. the answer was no. I’ve banged into them about never keeping secrets from me, we use the ‘correct’ vocabulary for our private parts and spoken about how parts of your body are private and for them only. This is the case unless I need to help them (sore/uti/lazy with wiping). So I trust they are unharmed but, then again, they sleep like the living dead so that goes around in my head!
Monday, I hear nothing but I am admitted to hospital with a high temperature, 2 weeks postpartum with singleton, mastitis and a viral infection and needing to be on IV antibiotics. My mum is messaging, seeing if she needs to have my twins but they are with husbands family due to safeguarding call, baby is obviously in with me. Tuesday still nothing so I try to ring, nothing, try different number and get through and leave a message. Don’t hear anything in the afternoon so ring again, person on my case has changed so I ask to speak to someone higher up. Finally get given a number and it’s for a police officer. This is when we know the accusation is serious (other half and I are safeguard trained). Ring police officer and they need permission to share information before can tell us. Two hours later we get the call, it’s usually done face to face but with me being in hospital they said they would rather tell me sooner than later. 15 convictions and convictions read out, I burst into tears after the first one asking how my mum doesn’t know this. This is when I’m told that my mum does know and has know for a long time. 15 fucking convictions and it’s intrafamilial so he had easy access to those children too. I’m in no state to speak so my other half takes the lead and we are asked to make a statement backing up that he has had contact with my children.

My husband made a statement the next day, the police were so grateful and the whole team were gathering evidence as they wanted to get him. We found out more and more about my mum’s involvement and how much she knew. It’s safe to say the police were disgusted by her and weren’t afraid to make that known to my other half!
The next day the whole team turn up at his house and arrest him. My mum finally understands why she hasn’t heard from me from Tuesday afternoon.
He was sentenced before Christmas and isn’t going back to prison but has got a suspended sentence. He LIED for 5 years to the probation team and the specialist team that deals with him. His life doesn’t change. Her life, apart from not seeing me and her grandchildren, doesn’t change. One of my brothers still sees her with his daughter(!?). My other brothers haven’t heard from here ans are waiting for her to contact them, she has assumed they will feel like me. They see it as ‘but nothing happened to your twins’ which I feel isn’t the point!!!

My mum, after we found out a few months ago, married him.

My life is broken. My mum has committed the most heinous crime in my eyes, so I no longer have a mother. Her family haven’t contacted me after she told them that he’s a peadophile. So, with a decision that I did not make, my twins, my newborn and I need to suffer the consequences. My husband is being supportive and is unbelievably angry at my family, my brothers and obviously my mum. They don’t see how bad my mum has been and the danger she put my children in.

At first I lied to my DDs and said that Nanny and —— were on holiday. One twin turned round one morning and told me they knew nanny wasn’t on holiday and asked why they couldn’t see her. I had to tell them Nanny had done something very bad and put them in really bad danger but they’re 5 so they don’t really understand.
How can a mother do this to their child and grandchildren? How can my brothers not understand?
I can’t tell people because I’m so ashamed my mum could do this to us.

OP posts:
CormorantStrikesBack · 22/01/2024 14:13

I am so, so sorry. You are doing the right thing. I could no longer have a relationship with her, even if she left him. I couldn’t get over the lies, the fact she’s put them in danger. Even if he hasn’t touched them you’ll never know if he didn’t take photos of them in the paddling pool, etc.

altmember · 22/01/2024 14:15

Truly awful, your mother is worse than the man himself in my opinion. Hopefully criminal charges are brought against her too (not sure what exactly). Can fully understand you breaking contact with her. Not sure why everyone is being so critical of both brothers though - presumably they only found out at the same time as you, and one of them has broken all contact too by the sounds of it. Other brother is a bit of an idiot, but maybe he feels supervised contact with your mother is acceptable in order for the grand kids not to lose their relationship with her?

momonpurpose · 22/01/2024 14:16

SaturdayGiraffe · 22/01/2024 13:57

The level of betrayal is enormous. I could never trust someone who made that decision again.
Your children have you, that’s the main thing.

What your mother has done is unforgivable. She knowingly risked your child for a man. That is sick. There is no way I could ever have anything to do with her again

againstmywill · 22/01/2024 14:21

@NoCloudsAllowed
So, I know what all the offences are. They are all sexually motivated and they are not about pictures. They are sexual acts on children who were his family (not his children). He, from what we can gather, does not have a preference although more offences against a boy.

OP posts:
GlitterBall91 · 22/01/2024 14:22

God that is absolutely horrifying. You have done the right thing and are protecting your children; you’re clearly an amazing mum! I’d be sick to my stomach finding that out, as you clearly are too. Soooo sorry that you’re going through this.

blackpanth · 22/01/2024 14:23

I'm so sorry for what you're going through x

greaj · 22/01/2024 14:24

This is horrific. I am so, so sorry

Quitelikeit · 22/01/2024 14:25

I am so sorry. Sometimes other humans do things that are quite simply unimaginable to the rest of us.

I cannot for the life of me understand your mothers thinking.

Assumptions are dangerous but might he have told her that he had to
plead guilty but he was innocent and she has believed him? Even then I mean I just could never ever take that jump into a relationship with someone- LET ALONE have them near my Grandchildren

Mind you I would have needed to hear an explanation from her as she took your children’s safety into her own hands

Just no words 😶 I mean she is awful. Her daughter, her grandchildren. I hope you will be ok going forward. Don’t let her actions define you (if that is even possible)

Namechange0519 · 22/01/2024 14:26

U have no advice but I’m so so sorry you’re going through this.

why women ever chose to knowingly get into a relationship with a convicted peadophile is beyond me!

I wouldn’t want to be in the same room as one, never mind share a bed!!!

redheadsaregreat · 22/01/2024 14:27

Jesus. Your brother with the dd who is still taking her to see them. I'm agog.

LividBreeze · 22/01/2024 14:27

I’m so sorry.

Your mum’s judgement in being with this man in the first place was appalling, but to allow this to happen despite KNOWING his past is absolutely unforgivable.

I’m so sorry you’ve lost your mum as well as the worry for your children.

I’d be telling anyone who would listen what both of them have done. Sunlight on this atrocity.

Fundays12 · 22/01/2024 14:30

Handhold OP this is absolutely awful. I cannot begin to even imagine how you feel. Your brother is mad to let this man near your kids. I suggest you let social work know as they may want a word. You have to safeguard the kids here no matter what the price. Your mum has done something unforgivable.

Popcorn640 · 22/01/2024 14:30

NoCloudsAllowed · 22/01/2024 14:01

I'd be very upset with her too.

However, I'd want to know what the nature of his offence was. Not saying it's ok, but someone convicted for sharing images of 15 year olds is a different kind of threat than someone whose offence involved young children.

Paedophiles are often expert manipulators, they groom adults as well as kids. That's how they get away with it. Your mum wouldn't be the first to be completely taken in.

I strongly disagree with this - small children become 15 year olds, who sex offenders have had the opportunity to spend a decade plus grooming to trust them, not to tell anyone, to normalise boundary crossing.
Same as saying his preference is for boys - they will still use girls to access other children, groom them to share information etc.

Differentstarts · 22/01/2024 14:30

I would go no contact with both of them. I can't believe your own mother would put her grandchildren at such risk.

Yahyahs22 · 22/01/2024 14:31

I can't wrap my head around your mum's decision. I'm so angry for you.

HeavyRainSoon · 22/01/2024 14:33

NoCloudsAllowed · 22/01/2024 14:01

I'd be very upset with her too.

However, I'd want to know what the nature of his offence was. Not saying it's ok, but someone convicted for sharing images of 15 year olds is a different kind of threat than someone whose offence involved young children.

Paedophiles are often expert manipulators, they groom adults as well as kids. That's how they get away with it. Your mum wouldn't be the first to be completely taken in.

The definition of a paedophile is someone who molests pre-pubescent girls and boys so it really doesn't matter what the nature of the crimes are, given he's got 15 convictions. Its appalling.

BigMandsTattooPortfolio · 22/01/2024 14:33

This must be a terrible shock. I’m so sorry, OP. 💐

All paedophiles are repellent. I simply cannot understand why any woman would want to go anywhere near these depraved creatures.

WaltzingWaters · 22/01/2024 14:33

Utterly disgraceful what your mother has done, and I’d never have contact again. And I cannot believe that your brothers don’t find this insanely alarming.

All you can do is keep your own children safe and away from this disgusting man and your mother. And as others have suggested, consider therapy for the whole situation, including someone trained chatting to your twins.

Nicole1111 · 22/01/2024 14:34

This is a very significant betrayal and I’d personally consider counselling to support you through processing what has happened to you. You sound like a lovely mum and I really hope you can find some peace and move on from this. I’m not sure the situation is with your mum and brother’s acceptance of the conviction but the level of denial that people can achieve when it comes to sex offenders often astounds me.

Deathbyathousandcats · 22/01/2024 14:34

JFC, how awful.

againstmywill · 22/01/2024 14:34

@lanza11
I am not in contact with my mums family. They all went to the wedding as if nothing happened. My mum probably didn’t tell them the whole truth my by aunties husband is an ex police officer and trained as a lawyer. So the fact he is still on the sex offenders list shows how disgusting his crimes were. He can never be taken off.

As for my brothers, they are making excuses for her she does have very low esteem but never had problems with getting into relationships but she is unstable at times.
She was abused, physically by her father and she hates her mum for not protecting her. He had suspected mental health issues and he was physical towards three of his 5 children, my mum being the eldest.

My brothers who don’t have much to do with her, eldest and youngest, are the ones who haven’t contacted her and they ‘feel for me’ and try to understand but they can’t. They are Childless and have not had a good relationship with her for years. The other brother, with a child, my DN, is in contact with her because he wants her to have a relationship his her grandmother but he doesn’t have one with the husband. He was going to go to the wedding until I had quite a few breakdowns to him about it. He wanted to be there to ‘support her’. She has made him think that she is suicidal, which I do not believe for one second, he is very easily manipulated and I believe that is why he is seeing her.

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PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 22/01/2024 14:35

NoCloudsAllowed · 22/01/2024 14:01

I'd be very upset with her too.

However, I'd want to know what the nature of his offence was. Not saying it's ok, but someone convicted for sharing images of 15 year olds is a different kind of threat than someone whose offence involved young children.

Paedophiles are often expert manipulators, they groom adults as well as kids. That's how they get away with it. Your mum wouldn't be the first to be completely taken in.

However, I'd want to know what the nature of his offence was. Not saying it's ok, but someone convicted for sharing images of 15 year olds is a different kind of threat than someone whose offence involved young children.

Even if I were to agree with this: The time for this conversation was before this man was ever allowed to see OP´s children.
OP should have been informed ASAP and that was when these kinds of questions could have been asked.

Strugglingtodomybest · 22/01/2024 14:35

However, I'd want to know what the nature of his offence was. Not saying it's ok, but someone convicted for sharing images of 15 year olds is a different kind of threat than someone whose offence involved young children

If he'd been convicted of sharing photos of a 15 year old, the op wouldn't have called him a convicted paedophile. By very definition, his conviction is to do with pre-pubescent children.

EmailAddress · 22/01/2024 14:36

Op this is properly horrific. Especially as a mother you cannot understand this looking at your own children.

You said you cannot tell people, but please tell people. The shame isn’t yours to hide and telling people you don’t see your mum/step dad as he is a convicted paediphile not allowed contact with children shuts the conversation down and just makes you look like a caring mother. You don’t have to lie or come up with excuses, you owe them nothing.

im sorry your family have reacted this way and you sound a fab mum.

MinnieMountain · 22/01/2024 14:36

Bloody hell OP. And the fact that your mother doubled down on the relationship by marrying him after you found out.

I’d definitely recommend counselling to help you through this.

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