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My mum is with a convicted peadophile

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againstmywill · 22/01/2024 13:49

This is long one so please bear with me.
So, I found out 6 months ago that the man my mum has been with for 10 years is a convicted peadophile and she knew. He has had access to my twins since they were born, my mum has helped out with childcare, had them overnight and when I have been away (longest was 6 days). All of this was not allowed as part of his bail conditions.
When I fell pregnant he told the police officers that deal with him that I was pregnant. They told him that if he was to ever see my children that I would need to be told about his past, he told them that he would under no circumstances ever disclose that he was a peadophile to me or my mums family so he was told he was never allowed to see my children, even by accident and if he did, I would have to be told due to safeguarding. My mum was there during this meeting and agreed this and said because I don’t live close (I lived in London at the time which was about an hour/hour and a half drive) she would travel to see me and he would never have contact.
We moved closer to my family when the twins were one.
My twins are now 5 and have had a lot of contact with this man. They have been by themselves with him, stayed overnight in his house (also my mums) and for extended periods of time. They had a relationship with him, they were naked in his garden in the paddling pool, they stayed in the same hotel room as him.
Someone contacted the safeguarding team who knew about him and I got a phone call on a Friday afternoon asking me about who my mum was in a relationship with and then asking me not to let my children see him over the weekend, they would investigate and get back to me. We thought they had got something wrong but I questioned each twin separately to see if there was anything untoward about when being at Nanny’s, asked if they had seen private parts etc. the answer was no. I’ve banged into them about never keeping secrets from me, we use the ‘correct’ vocabulary for our private parts and spoken about how parts of your body are private and for them only. This is the case unless I need to help them (sore/uti/lazy with wiping). So I trust they are unharmed but, then again, they sleep like the living dead so that goes around in my head!
Monday, I hear nothing but I am admitted to hospital with a high temperature, 2 weeks postpartum with singleton, mastitis and a viral infection and needing to be on IV antibiotics. My mum is messaging, seeing if she needs to have my twins but they are with husbands family due to safeguarding call, baby is obviously in with me. Tuesday still nothing so I try to ring, nothing, try different number and get through and leave a message. Don’t hear anything in the afternoon so ring again, person on my case has changed so I ask to speak to someone higher up. Finally get given a number and it’s for a police officer. This is when we know the accusation is serious (other half and I are safeguard trained). Ring police officer and they need permission to share information before can tell us. Two hours later we get the call, it’s usually done face to face but with me being in hospital they said they would rather tell me sooner than later. 15 convictions and convictions read out, I burst into tears after the first one asking how my mum doesn’t know this. This is when I’m told that my mum does know and has know for a long time. 15 fucking convictions and it’s intrafamilial so he had easy access to those children too. I’m in no state to speak so my other half takes the lead and we are asked to make a statement backing up that he has had contact with my children.

My husband made a statement the next day, the police were so grateful and the whole team were gathering evidence as they wanted to get him. We found out more and more about my mum’s involvement and how much she knew. It’s safe to say the police were disgusted by her and weren’t afraid to make that known to my other half!
The next day the whole team turn up at his house and arrest him. My mum finally understands why she hasn’t heard from me from Tuesday afternoon.
He was sentenced before Christmas and isn’t going back to prison but has got a suspended sentence. He LIED for 5 years to the probation team and the specialist team that deals with him. His life doesn’t change. Her life, apart from not seeing me and her grandchildren, doesn’t change. One of my brothers still sees her with his daughter(!?). My other brothers haven’t heard from here ans are waiting for her to contact them, she has assumed they will feel like me. They see it as ‘but nothing happened to your twins’ which I feel isn’t the point!!!

My mum, after we found out a few months ago, married him.

My life is broken. My mum has committed the most heinous crime in my eyes, so I no longer have a mother. Her family haven’t contacted me after she told them that he’s a peadophile. So, with a decision that I did not make, my twins, my newborn and I need to suffer the consequences. My husband is being supportive and is unbelievably angry at my family, my brothers and obviously my mum. They don’t see how bad my mum has been and the danger she put my children in.

At first I lied to my DDs and said that Nanny and —— were on holiday. One twin turned round one morning and told me they knew nanny wasn’t on holiday and asked why they couldn’t see her. I had to tell them Nanny had done something very bad and put them in really bad danger but they’re 5 so they don’t really understand.
How can a mother do this to their child and grandchildren? How can my brothers not understand?
I can’t tell people because I’m so ashamed my mum could do this to us.

OP posts:
pikkumyy77 · 22/01/2024 14:38

I’m so sorry your mother has put you through this. A terrible betrayal and a terrible loss.

Wibblywobblylikejelly · 22/01/2024 14:38

Are SS aware of your brother? Have the police spoken to him? Is DNs mother's side aware?

80skid · 22/01/2024 14:40

Oh my word, I am so sorry to hear you have been betrayed so horrifically.

I'm glad you are able to safeguard your children. I hope your brothers child is ok.

I have no words for your mum. She is paying a high price for her appalling decisions.

Much love to you and yours.

DollyDaydream23 · 22/01/2024 14:40

I am so sorry you are going through this, but you have done the best thing for you and your family especially your children, i have no idea why the rest of the family think this is okay?!?

My Husband was sexually abused by his brother when he was young, he was forced to tell the police he was lying by there mother and he never quite got over that, his mum and sister (she also claimed to her school he done the same to her but has now denied it.) have him in there lives also has contact with her children but we have no contact with his family anyways but even if we did we would never allow our child to be in contact with someone who does the most vile of things.

I do agree with the therapy especially for yourself, and also just remember you did not know this and it is not your fault, i know it can be so easy to blame ourselves but he is a disgusting monster and what your mum has done is the ultimate betrayal. Always remember your in the right and the best thing you have done is protect your children.

Hope your okay op and im so glad you have your husband and his family to support you. ❤

FreeRider · 22/01/2024 14:42

I turned to my mother when I was 21, newly married and really struggling with my mental health (severe depression, I was eventually diagnosed as bipolar) and my job at the time.

Instead of offering emotional support, she used it as an opportunity, totally out of the blue, to tell me that one of her brothers (she had 6) had sexually abused her as a child. To say I was stunned was an understatement.

That quickly turned to anger, as it turned out it was the uncle that myself and my two brothers had spent the most time with as children...numerous days out alone with him, afternoons totally on our with him, etc.

So I now have to deal with the realisation that my mother is either lying (shocking as that may sound, it's not out of the bounds of possibility) or she knowingly, deliberately put her young children in the path of a paedophile.

My already poor relationship with my mother - she is a narcissist, like my father - has been permanently damaged. I live on the other side of the world from her, have done so for 30 years. I'm very low contact, I phone her once in a month or so. I've not actually seen her in nearly 15 years.

I'd recommend counselling, personal for yourself to start with.

Emotionalsupportviper · 22/01/2024 14:43

I agree with others that the betrayal you have experienced is horrific, but there is another thread to this, too.

How the HELL did he just get a suspended sentence?

How was your mother not also prosecuted?

They both lied to you and to police, probation officers etc for 5-6 years! Children placed at risk, countless police man hours working towards a conviction, and he (effectively) gets off scot free. It's disgraceful, shocking for you and demoralising for the police.

againstmywill · 22/01/2024 14:44

@altmember
I also think my mum is worse than him. She has served up my DDs on a silver platter for him. She would offer to bath them for me if they spent the day at theirs which I thought was a bit strange but I went with it! The thought now makes me question everything. The police tried referring it (their ‘office’ couldn’t do anything) but I don’t think it got any takers.
He did go back to court because of our statement but wasn’t given anymore prison time.
I still don’t know if anything happened to my daughters. We won’t know anytime soon, if ever, and it kills me but I trusted my mum and they adored her.
I think my brother is doing it for that reason. But it kills me and I don’t have the same relationship with him anymore.

OP posts:
Ormside · 22/01/2024 14:45

Unforgivable. Please look after your mental health. This must be beyond difficult to bear. x

Quitelikeit · 22/01/2024 14:46

I do agree with a pp who advises to make sure that the whole length and breadth of the family understand the extent of his convictions and your mums role in keeping them hidden from you

SaladFingerz · 22/01/2024 14:47

This is horrendous. Unforgivable. And how she shares a bed and life with him, I'll never know.

828Pax · 22/01/2024 14:49

That is utterly horrifying and such a massive betrayal. I am so so sorry that you have had to deal with this. I am equally shocked at why your brothers are not understanding it. You have absolutely done the right thing, sending lots of love to you

BlondeFool · 22/01/2024 14:49

Wow. Absolutely shocking. Please get therapy for yourself as that's a massive betrayal.

SaturdayGiraffe · 22/01/2024 14:50

Did the police go through his phone/laptop etc? If nothing there turned up it might ease your mind a tiny amount.

NotMyFirstChoiceofName · 22/01/2024 14:50

@againstmywill

Im sp so sorry, I have been in a similar situation and can imagine you must be completely devastated. Please get some expert support, as Pp have mentioned.

Also please don’t be bullied into giving any more information on this thread about the nature of his offences. you don’t need to justify your decisions and you don’t know who is reading what you post here IYWSIM.

I would also recommend that you DONT share with your wider circle of friends / family / colleagues why you are now Nc with your mother, otherwise you will get nosey buggers trying to get all the sordid details . That doesn’t help anyone and it can make you feel defensive and doubting your own decision.

This will get harder as your mother gets older / has health issues.

Just agree a set story and you and your Dh tell that to everyone eg

” We are not in contact because of very serious things that have happened in the past. I’m sure you will understand it’s too hard to talk about / I don’t want to talk about it / it’s private. Thank you for respecting our wishes on this.”

Then refuse to be drawn on anything at all. 100% of the time. I promise you it’s much easier to say nothing EVERY SINGLE TIME than to say a little. Your idea of “ a little “ may be different from your husbands. And different when you are upset one day and say too much.

It becomes easier as time goes by and new people you meet will just assume that your mum is dead.

I also advise that you refuse to justify this with your siblings, and only discuss if you think they are genuinely questioning the wisdom of their own actions and not trying to get you to change your mind.

You need to be prepared that they might cut you off for refusing to see your mother.

please understand - I’m saying this to protect YOU and your CHILDREN, not the abuser and his co conspirator.

Im not referring to professional advisors / counsellors / your closest most trustworthy friend . Just everyone else.

Im also aware that your mother will have been groomed by this man, but she has put her Gc at serious risk. There is help out there for her, if she wants it, but you can’t be the one to do this for her.

She has forced you to choose between her and your children . Which is of course no choice at all.

Boxingdayhunts · 22/01/2024 14:53

@popplezopple please see this thread. You are not alone

@againstmywill I’ve tagged someone in who will completely get where you’re coming from - both - I hope this is ok.

you are both doing the absolute right thing and are protecting your children no matter what. Strength to you both.

spanishviola · 22/01/2024 14:54

SaturdayGiraffe · 22/01/2024 14:50

Did the police go through his phone/laptop etc? If nothing there turned up it might ease your mind a tiny amount.

Didn’t you read the thread? It wasn’t downloading images but sexual abuse of children he had a connection to.

Hoolahooploop · 22/01/2024 14:55

you must be utterly devastated OP. What a betrayal from your mum. I know I would be grieving my relationship with my mum so much. I wouldn’t be able to forgive and it would be like she had died. How awful I’m so sorry

LifeExperience · 22/01/2024 14:55

I don't know what to say other than some women are so desperate for a man that they will do and allow anything. I have no idea why. She's chosen the disgusting pedophile over her daughter and grandchildren, and exposed her grandchildren to extreme risk. She is contemptible.

You're doing the right thing, OP. A good mum protects her children. I'm sorry that you will have to grieve the mum you thought you had but didn't.

Fullyhuman · 22/01/2024 14:55

Oh God, @againstmywill, I’m so sorry you’re going through this. I’ve said yes to baths to Grandma’s for my kids, it isn’t odd, bath time is fun: don’t beat yourself up about that or anything else - none of this is your fault and you could not have known.

Alohapotato · 22/01/2024 14:55

You should tell your brother's partner ( or ex partner) I'm sure she won't allow access to your mum or you step dad.

Soubriquet · 22/01/2024 14:56

Is he back with your mum now?

I would be reporting that he still has contact with your brothers kids

pontipinemum · 22/01/2024 14:57

I don't think I could forgive my mum either. It is such such a betrayal.

You have done the right thing by your dd's hopefully by the sound of it they have not suffered by him. 100% not the point at all! I'm not agreeing with your brothers, they should never have been put in that situation by their GM.

therealcookiemonster · 22/01/2024 14:57

I'm so sorry about this OP.

is there a reason why he is not back in prison despite breaking probation. its situations like this that reinforce my belief that serious child abusers (as in actually harmed child) should be executed. they have the potential to cause so much harm

as far as I am concerned your mum should also be sentenced... at least to community service if not prison

you have done the right things though. no way you could have known. really lucky that you found out now at least

I hope things get easier for you.

Dontbeme · 22/01/2024 14:58

@againstmywill many years I was the child in this situation, my mother knowingly and willingly placed me in the care of such a man. I don't know if it's any consolation now but your children are going to grow up knowing that their mother would do anything to protect them, that their safety came first every time. I just want to acknowledge the strength it takes to do what you have done, many have taken an easy way and ignored or minimised but you have shown strength, your kids will be proud of you when they are old enough to understand who their mum is. Sending love to you, DH and your family.

LadyEloise1 · 22/01/2024 14:58

Alohapotato · 22/01/2024 14:55

You should tell your brother's partner ( or ex partner) I'm sure she won't allow access to your mum or you step dad.

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