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My mum is with a convicted peadophile

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againstmywill · 22/01/2024 13:49

This is long one so please bear with me.
So, I found out 6 months ago that the man my mum has been with for 10 years is a convicted peadophile and she knew. He has had access to my twins since they were born, my mum has helped out with childcare, had them overnight and when I have been away (longest was 6 days). All of this was not allowed as part of his bail conditions.
When I fell pregnant he told the police officers that deal with him that I was pregnant. They told him that if he was to ever see my children that I would need to be told about his past, he told them that he would under no circumstances ever disclose that he was a peadophile to me or my mums family so he was told he was never allowed to see my children, even by accident and if he did, I would have to be told due to safeguarding. My mum was there during this meeting and agreed this and said because I don’t live close (I lived in London at the time which was about an hour/hour and a half drive) she would travel to see me and he would never have contact.
We moved closer to my family when the twins were one.
My twins are now 5 and have had a lot of contact with this man. They have been by themselves with him, stayed overnight in his house (also my mums) and for extended periods of time. They had a relationship with him, they were naked in his garden in the paddling pool, they stayed in the same hotel room as him.
Someone contacted the safeguarding team who knew about him and I got a phone call on a Friday afternoon asking me about who my mum was in a relationship with and then asking me not to let my children see him over the weekend, they would investigate and get back to me. We thought they had got something wrong but I questioned each twin separately to see if there was anything untoward about when being at Nanny’s, asked if they had seen private parts etc. the answer was no. I’ve banged into them about never keeping secrets from me, we use the ‘correct’ vocabulary for our private parts and spoken about how parts of your body are private and for them only. This is the case unless I need to help them (sore/uti/lazy with wiping). So I trust they are unharmed but, then again, they sleep like the living dead so that goes around in my head!
Monday, I hear nothing but I am admitted to hospital with a high temperature, 2 weeks postpartum with singleton, mastitis and a viral infection and needing to be on IV antibiotics. My mum is messaging, seeing if she needs to have my twins but they are with husbands family due to safeguarding call, baby is obviously in with me. Tuesday still nothing so I try to ring, nothing, try different number and get through and leave a message. Don’t hear anything in the afternoon so ring again, person on my case has changed so I ask to speak to someone higher up. Finally get given a number and it’s for a police officer. This is when we know the accusation is serious (other half and I are safeguard trained). Ring police officer and they need permission to share information before can tell us. Two hours later we get the call, it’s usually done face to face but with me being in hospital they said they would rather tell me sooner than later. 15 convictions and convictions read out, I burst into tears after the first one asking how my mum doesn’t know this. This is when I’m told that my mum does know and has know for a long time. 15 fucking convictions and it’s intrafamilial so he had easy access to those children too. I’m in no state to speak so my other half takes the lead and we are asked to make a statement backing up that he has had contact with my children.

My husband made a statement the next day, the police were so grateful and the whole team were gathering evidence as they wanted to get him. We found out more and more about my mum’s involvement and how much she knew. It’s safe to say the police were disgusted by her and weren’t afraid to make that known to my other half!
The next day the whole team turn up at his house and arrest him. My mum finally understands why she hasn’t heard from me from Tuesday afternoon.
He was sentenced before Christmas and isn’t going back to prison but has got a suspended sentence. He LIED for 5 years to the probation team and the specialist team that deals with him. His life doesn’t change. Her life, apart from not seeing me and her grandchildren, doesn’t change. One of my brothers still sees her with his daughter(!?). My other brothers haven’t heard from here ans are waiting for her to contact them, she has assumed they will feel like me. They see it as ‘but nothing happened to your twins’ which I feel isn’t the point!!!

My mum, after we found out a few months ago, married him.

My life is broken. My mum has committed the most heinous crime in my eyes, so I no longer have a mother. Her family haven’t contacted me after she told them that he’s a peadophile. So, with a decision that I did not make, my twins, my newborn and I need to suffer the consequences. My husband is being supportive and is unbelievably angry at my family, my brothers and obviously my mum. They don’t see how bad my mum has been and the danger she put my children in.

At first I lied to my DDs and said that Nanny and —— were on holiday. One twin turned round one morning and told me they knew nanny wasn’t on holiday and asked why they couldn’t see her. I had to tell them Nanny had done something very bad and put them in really bad danger but they’re 5 so they don’t really understand.
How can a mother do this to their child and grandchildren? How can my brothers not understand?
I can’t tell people because I’m so ashamed my mum could do this to us.

OP posts:
Buggeredpelvicfloor2013 · 22/01/2024 19:39

Jesus. This made my blood run cold - god knows how you are coping with this lovely.... the shame is with her, not you. I understand you may feel misplaced feelings about how she could choose him over you and your children, but please, try not to focus on that too much as it will eat you up.

You did all the right things and yes, it's unfair that you all now have these negative effects to deal with. But you also have one huge positive effect now - knowledge. And knowledge is power. You have protected your children and prevented the potential danger that could have occurred.

She will have to live with her despicable actions.
You can be proud of yours.

Sending a huge handhold x

StrandedStarfish · 22/01/2024 19:42

I wonder if he has groomed/ cajoled/ manipulated your Mum into marriage so that she can never be forced to give evidence against him in court

viques · 22/01/2024 19:42

againstmywill · 22/01/2024 19:27

@viques
No. I found out 6 months ago and as soon as I found out about him and that my mum knew I haven’t spoken to or seen her and not have my children.

Good. but the time line is not clear from your OP..

autumnpumpkinlattes · 22/01/2024 19:44

My jaw was on the floor reading this.

Op I am so so sorry this happened to you.

againstmywill · 22/01/2024 19:46

@Bakensmile
No, one has had one suspected UTI during lockdown when I was potty training when she was 2 (no contact with anyone). What I meant was that that I teach them that their privates are private for them only but I may have to look or help them wipe. One didn’t wipe properly at school and would have wet knickers on and get sore so I would put sudocrem on. These incidents were before they had any over night contacts.
You assumed that I allowed them to be naked in their garden. I sent swimming costumes.
The baths, I assumed at the time, were because I was pregnant and wasn’t allowed to lift them so she was trying to help even though my husband was bathing them. I had a difficult pregnancy.

Also, assuming I wasn’t close beforehand was just that, an assumption. I was close to my family and I saw them often. Spoke to them often and had a good relationship with him. If anything, I spoke to him more than my actual mother. My mother is my mother and I trusted her judgement. Maybe that was naive of me but she was my bloody mother! Also, I had met his family, his daughters and his grandchildren (turns out they all know and have ‘contracts’). What would make me suspect he wasn’t trustworthy?

OP posts:
Terrribletwos · 22/01/2024 19:48

Menapausemum1974 · 22/01/2024 17:58

Really harsh and unfair, if you go by your rules nobody would leave kids with anyone 🤷‍♀️

What do you mean by this? Can you explain?

Floppyelf · 22/01/2024 19:49

Your mum is a piece of shit. You deserve a better mother and your kids deserve a better grandma.

Mnk711 · 22/01/2024 19:50

I'm so sorry. Your mother's behaviour has been disgusting. Why your brother is still engaging with her I don't know. I don't even know how to think about what must have been going through her mind. Not seeing her anymore is the least she deserves.

Butterandtoast · 22/01/2024 19:51

You're a complete stranger to me, but honestly I'm so so proud of you, you are an amazing mother.

As you've sadly learnt the amount of people who don't put their children first in situations like this is staggering.

LuluBlakey1 · 22/01/2024 19:51

DrunkenElephant · 22/01/2024 13:59

15 convictions? What an earth was your mother thinking?!

I’m so sorry you are going through this OP, you must be devastated. The shame isn’t yours though, so if you want to lean on people in RL for support please do so x

What do you mean? Would what her mum did have been ok if it had just been one conviction?

CatPancake · 22/01/2024 19:56

When you're feeling up for it therapy would be useful for you to process what must be a unique sort of grief and rage for your mum.

I could probably suggest maybe a specialist for the kids - eg an educational psychologist. Have a meeting without your kids and ask her how to advise them. The NSPCC may have a thought on who would be good to speak to about this?

I would think the kids need to know that HE is not a nice man. There's a real chance that Nanny might one day come looking for them in the local park or something because she "misses them so much" .

They need to know who else is safe to talk to. Not just "pants are private" but about adults that make their tummies feel uncomfortable etc, or ask children to keep secrets from their mummy or daddy.

This has always been my go to site about child appropriate language about bad people (and why!) apologise for the weird link, it's an old webpage so this is the archived site for it

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20120302182805/www.checklistmommy.com/2012/02/09/tricky-people-are-the-new-strangers" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20120302182805/www.checklistmommy.com/2012/02/09/tricky-people-are-the-new-strangers/

I am so so sorry. How awful of you to go through this - I was so upset reading how this tainted your wedding so much.

CatPancake · 22/01/2024 19:57

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20120302182805/www.checklistmommy.com/2012/02/09/tricky-people-are-the-new-strangers/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Tricky People are the new 'strangers'

Sorry - this link might work

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MaidOfSteel · 22/01/2024 20:05

Sending a big hug, OP. The betrayal and horror I imagine you're feeling must be horrendous.
This will take time to come to terms with so take all that you need. You have nothing to be ashamed of; that's all on your mother and her monster of a husband. Please don't blame yourself. You're absolutely right to protect your little ones from them.
So much is happening for you, your husband & children just now. Just look after each other, be a tight family unit. Recover your physical health. Think about therapy, maybe, when you're ready. Allow yourself the time you need to carry on. X

ChanelNo19EDT · 22/01/2024 20:06

omg, you poor thing, i would be devastated, shocked, sickened and devastated. xx

fairydust11 · 22/01/2024 20:07

Op I have no words. I’m really sorry to hear this ❤️

NotQuiteNorma · 22/01/2024 20:08

Being very careful, I once knew a girl who was sexually abused by her mum's lodger. It transpired he had abused her and her younger sisters. When she told her mum what he had been doing to them, her mum asked him if it was true and he blamed her children (ages 9 - 13). Months later her mum married him. Chose him over her own children. I'll never understand such betrayal by a mother. Never. It would be unforgivable to me. I'm so so sorry 😔

EdinGirl · 22/01/2024 20:08

She as good as delivered your children into the hands of a paedophile with no concern if they were abused.

This is unforgivable and to be honest, I am unsure what I would do to someone who endangered my children like this.

I just read all of your updates and my heart breaks for you.

You have been so strong and are doing everything right!!!
Sending warmth and courage your way 💗💗💗

cocog · 22/01/2024 20:11

It will be in his bale conditions he is not to have contact with any children. If this man is even in the same room as your niece ever I would contact the police immediately. It’s not your brothers choice it’s a court that has decided this he has most likely been grooming your family and been doing a good job he’s already been trusted with three children he could have done anything. You have done everything right. But please contact the police if you know he’s having contact with niece it’s your duty as her family. Your mum however WOW you’re better off without.

PeopleAreWeird · 22/01/2024 20:11

You tell the probation service he is STILL having contact with children

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 22/01/2024 20:15

I'm not reading ten pages but
Someone contacted the safeguarding team who knew about him and I got a phone call on a Friday
How did they know to call you? How did they have your number?

Anyway yeh that's sick.

mimiku · 22/01/2024 20:16

This is honestly awful and I’m so sorry that this has happened to your family. I truly am.

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 22/01/2024 20:18

I'm so sorry this happened to you.

Even before I had my DD I couldn't understand how any parent could let anyone like this mam anywhere near them, never mind the children in their family. The fact she knew what he had done and allowed him access to your children whether anything did happen to them or not is unforgivable.

I am incredibly close with my family. But this is one of the things that could cause me to cut them out completely. I could never move past this.

You've done the right things and are protecting your children (and yourself). Stay strong. Sending love.

LlynTegid · 22/01/2024 20:19

You sometimes hear the expression 'no son of mine' to refer to a wayward boy or young man. Someone I knew a few years ago was on such bad terms with his ex-wife that he referred to her as his child's mother.

I cannot think of an appropriate term to use to describe the woman who gave birth to the OP.

Alwaysalwayscold · 22/01/2024 20:21

Honestly I admire you and the way you have dealt with this OP. Your kids are so lucky to have you as a mother and not someone like your own mother.

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