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My mum is with a convicted peadophile

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againstmywill · 22/01/2024 13:49

This is long one so please bear with me.
So, I found out 6 months ago that the man my mum has been with for 10 years is a convicted peadophile and she knew. He has had access to my twins since they were born, my mum has helped out with childcare, had them overnight and when I have been away (longest was 6 days). All of this was not allowed as part of his bail conditions.
When I fell pregnant he told the police officers that deal with him that I was pregnant. They told him that if he was to ever see my children that I would need to be told about his past, he told them that he would under no circumstances ever disclose that he was a peadophile to me or my mums family so he was told he was never allowed to see my children, even by accident and if he did, I would have to be told due to safeguarding. My mum was there during this meeting and agreed this and said because I don’t live close (I lived in London at the time which was about an hour/hour and a half drive) she would travel to see me and he would never have contact.
We moved closer to my family when the twins were one.
My twins are now 5 and have had a lot of contact with this man. They have been by themselves with him, stayed overnight in his house (also my mums) and for extended periods of time. They had a relationship with him, they were naked in his garden in the paddling pool, they stayed in the same hotel room as him.
Someone contacted the safeguarding team who knew about him and I got a phone call on a Friday afternoon asking me about who my mum was in a relationship with and then asking me not to let my children see him over the weekend, they would investigate and get back to me. We thought they had got something wrong but I questioned each twin separately to see if there was anything untoward about when being at Nanny’s, asked if they had seen private parts etc. the answer was no. I’ve banged into them about never keeping secrets from me, we use the ‘correct’ vocabulary for our private parts and spoken about how parts of your body are private and for them only. This is the case unless I need to help them (sore/uti/lazy with wiping). So I trust they are unharmed but, then again, they sleep like the living dead so that goes around in my head!
Monday, I hear nothing but I am admitted to hospital with a high temperature, 2 weeks postpartum with singleton, mastitis and a viral infection and needing to be on IV antibiotics. My mum is messaging, seeing if she needs to have my twins but they are with husbands family due to safeguarding call, baby is obviously in with me. Tuesday still nothing so I try to ring, nothing, try different number and get through and leave a message. Don’t hear anything in the afternoon so ring again, person on my case has changed so I ask to speak to someone higher up. Finally get given a number and it’s for a police officer. This is when we know the accusation is serious (other half and I are safeguard trained). Ring police officer and they need permission to share information before can tell us. Two hours later we get the call, it’s usually done face to face but with me being in hospital they said they would rather tell me sooner than later. 15 convictions and convictions read out, I burst into tears after the first one asking how my mum doesn’t know this. This is when I’m told that my mum does know and has know for a long time. 15 fucking convictions and it’s intrafamilial so he had easy access to those children too. I’m in no state to speak so my other half takes the lead and we are asked to make a statement backing up that he has had contact with my children.

My husband made a statement the next day, the police were so grateful and the whole team were gathering evidence as they wanted to get him. We found out more and more about my mum’s involvement and how much she knew. It’s safe to say the police were disgusted by her and weren’t afraid to make that known to my other half!
The next day the whole team turn up at his house and arrest him. My mum finally understands why she hasn’t heard from me from Tuesday afternoon.
He was sentenced before Christmas and isn’t going back to prison but has got a suspended sentence. He LIED for 5 years to the probation team and the specialist team that deals with him. His life doesn’t change. Her life, apart from not seeing me and her grandchildren, doesn’t change. One of my brothers still sees her with his daughter(!?). My other brothers haven’t heard from here ans are waiting for her to contact them, she has assumed they will feel like me. They see it as ‘but nothing happened to your twins’ which I feel isn’t the point!!!

My mum, after we found out a few months ago, married him.

My life is broken. My mum has committed the most heinous crime in my eyes, so I no longer have a mother. Her family haven’t contacted me after she told them that he’s a peadophile. So, with a decision that I did not make, my twins, my newborn and I need to suffer the consequences. My husband is being supportive and is unbelievably angry at my family, my brothers and obviously my mum. They don’t see how bad my mum has been and the danger she put my children in.

At first I lied to my DDs and said that Nanny and —— were on holiday. One twin turned round one morning and told me they knew nanny wasn’t on holiday and asked why they couldn’t see her. I had to tell them Nanny had done something very bad and put them in really bad danger but they’re 5 so they don’t really understand.
How can a mother do this to their child and grandchildren? How can my brothers not understand?
I can’t tell people because I’m so ashamed my mum could do this to us.

OP posts:
GreatGateauxsby · 22/01/2024 18:50

I have no words for that update.

Your mother is just sub human.

I would really try and access some good quality therapy to try and come to terms with her totally incomprehensible behaviour. She sounds so pathetic, weak and self absorbed
Just disgusting...

Violinist64 · 22/01/2024 18:53

Firstly, I think you have shown tremendous courage and selflessness. I agree with therapy and I think, if you are able to muster one last bit of strength, you really should speak to social services and the police about the fact that your brother is still taking his children to their house.

twoblu · 22/01/2024 18:55

As the mother of an older child adopted to me (due to her father being a peodophile ) you are doing the right thing
It's shocking how people accept the unacceptable. You are doing the hardest thing for the right reasons . I have had to tell my Dd exactly why she couldn't stay with her birth parents because without the truth they can think it's something they did , blame us etc
The tragedy is your children have lost their family because of the actions of people who aren't as brave as you . And you have lost them too . Yes get support and counselling because you are in an awful situation . But never doubt you have protected your children .

Snowdogsmitten · 22/01/2024 18:56

She would offer to bath them for me if they spent the day at theirs which I thought was a bit strange but I went with it!

Oh my god… I'm so sorry, OP. I hope they both burn.

Pinkplans · 22/01/2024 18:57

I think it is those who have no involvement in these kind of scenarios who fail to understand the complexities.

You assume too much. If someone can’t be trusted to be around my children unsupervised, then I don’t want them in my children’s lives. I don’t want my children growing up to believe this is a person that they should continue to have a bond with, trust and love. I’m not going to encourage them to have any kind of relationship with someone who would allow a paedophile to abuse them and rip away all their innocence. The OP is absolutely doing the right thing for her children by not accepting or tolerating paedophillia in any way. I’m sorry you had an understandably complex relationship with your father but I think it’s negatively affected your boundaries which should be at zero tolerance for paedophiles.

Terrribletwos · 22/01/2024 18:59

Hopefully, your kids will not remember anything.
You've obviously taken the correct action in stopping all contact.

Your mother sounds unhinged! There is nothing you can do about this and this is something you will have absolutely to accept, there is no going back. Cut all contact. And cut contact with others facilitating this.

This is a horrible experience to go through but you sound determined and wise so keep that in mind at all times.

Runnerinthenight · 22/01/2024 19:01

callingeveryone · 22/01/2024 18:40

@Menapausemum1974 I am going to leave this thread. But I understand exactly this scenario. My father was a paedophile although he never abused me or my sister. I still wanted to see him.
I think it is those who have no involvement in these kind of scenarios who fail to understand the complexities.

I am not sure there are "complexities" in this situation though. You were a child I presume?

This case is very simple. The OP has been hideously betrayed by her mother and needs to protect her family. I am sure it is heartbreaking in the extreme.

Bakensmile · 22/01/2024 19:04

againstmywill · 22/01/2024 13:49

This is long one so please bear with me.
So, I found out 6 months ago that the man my mum has been with for 10 years is a convicted peadophile and she knew. He has had access to my twins since they were born, my mum has helped out with childcare, had them overnight and when I have been away (longest was 6 days). All of this was not allowed as part of his bail conditions.
When I fell pregnant he told the police officers that deal with him that I was pregnant. They told him that if he was to ever see my children that I would need to be told about his past, he told them that he would under no circumstances ever disclose that he was a peadophile to me or my mums family so he was told he was never allowed to see my children, even by accident and if he did, I would have to be told due to safeguarding. My mum was there during this meeting and agreed this and said because I don’t live close (I lived in London at the time which was about an hour/hour and a half drive) she would travel to see me and he would never have contact.
We moved closer to my family when the twins were one.
My twins are now 5 and have had a lot of contact with this man. They have been by themselves with him, stayed overnight in his house (also my mums) and for extended periods of time. They had a relationship with him, they were naked in his garden in the paddling pool, they stayed in the same hotel room as him.
Someone contacted the safeguarding team who knew about him and I got a phone call on a Friday afternoon asking me about who my mum was in a relationship with and then asking me not to let my children see him over the weekend, they would investigate and get back to me. We thought they had got something wrong but I questioned each twin separately to see if there was anything untoward about when being at Nanny’s, asked if they had seen private parts etc. the answer was no. I’ve banged into them about never keeping secrets from me, we use the ‘correct’ vocabulary for our private parts and spoken about how parts of your body are private and for them only. This is the case unless I need to help them (sore/uti/lazy with wiping). So I trust they are unharmed but, then again, they sleep like the living dead so that goes around in my head!
Monday, I hear nothing but I am admitted to hospital with a high temperature, 2 weeks postpartum with singleton, mastitis and a viral infection and needing to be on IV antibiotics. My mum is messaging, seeing if she needs to have my twins but they are with husbands family due to safeguarding call, baby is obviously in with me. Tuesday still nothing so I try to ring, nothing, try different number and get through and leave a message. Don’t hear anything in the afternoon so ring again, person on my case has changed so I ask to speak to someone higher up. Finally get given a number and it’s for a police officer. This is when we know the accusation is serious (other half and I are safeguard trained). Ring police officer and they need permission to share information before can tell us. Two hours later we get the call, it’s usually done face to face but with me being in hospital they said they would rather tell me sooner than later. 15 convictions and convictions read out, I burst into tears after the first one asking how my mum doesn’t know this. This is when I’m told that my mum does know and has know for a long time. 15 fucking convictions and it’s intrafamilial so he had easy access to those children too. I’m in no state to speak so my other half takes the lead and we are asked to make a statement backing up that he has had contact with my children.

My husband made a statement the next day, the police were so grateful and the whole team were gathering evidence as they wanted to get him. We found out more and more about my mum’s involvement and how much she knew. It’s safe to say the police were disgusted by her and weren’t afraid to make that known to my other half!
The next day the whole team turn up at his house and arrest him. My mum finally understands why she hasn’t heard from me from Tuesday afternoon.
He was sentenced before Christmas and isn’t going back to prison but has got a suspended sentence. He LIED for 5 years to the probation team and the specialist team that deals with him. His life doesn’t change. Her life, apart from not seeing me and her grandchildren, doesn’t change. One of my brothers still sees her with his daughter(!?). My other brothers haven’t heard from here ans are waiting for her to contact them, she has assumed they will feel like me. They see it as ‘but nothing happened to your twins’ which I feel isn’t the point!!!

My mum, after we found out a few months ago, married him.

My life is broken. My mum has committed the most heinous crime in my eyes, so I no longer have a mother. Her family haven’t contacted me after she told them that he’s a peadophile. So, with a decision that I did not make, my twins, my newborn and I need to suffer the consequences. My husband is being supportive and is unbelievably angry at my family, my brothers and obviously my mum. They don’t see how bad my mum has been and the danger she put my children in.

At first I lied to my DDs and said that Nanny and —— were on holiday. One twin turned round one morning and told me they knew nanny wasn’t on holiday and asked why they couldn’t see her. I had to tell them Nanny had done something very bad and put them in really bad danger but they’re 5 so they don’t really understand.
How can a mother do this to their child and grandchildren? How can my brothers not understand?
I can’t tell people because I’m so ashamed my mum could do this to us.

I haven’t RTFT. I’m so sorry OP, this is a horrifying read. Such a huge betrayal, I hope you are ok.

I must say though, I’m quite surprised you let this man have so much access to your children. Naked paddling pool, baths during day visits (that you yourself found strange) and multiple overnight stays. Perhaps I’m overly cautious but I wouldn’t trust anyone like this with my young girls, especially a man who had only been in my life for 5 years prior to having kids and not in an overly close capacity (I’m assuming you weren’t close as you only moved nearer when twins were born). I’m not trying to kick you when you’re down, but for someone who is trained in safeguarding I just found this quite strange.

Also found it alarming when you mentioned your twins have been sore in their private areas/had UTI’s. Perhaps I’m wrong, but I didn’t think that was common at all in young girls and would see it as a massive red flag (I have two girls, a 7 and 5 year old). I sincerely hope this wicked man didn’t do anything, keep having open conversations with your DD’s.

viques · 22/01/2024 19:07

You found out sixmonths ago but didn’t immediately stop all contact with your mother and your children outside your house?

Terrribletwos · 22/01/2024 19:09

callingeveryone · 22/01/2024 18:40

@Menapausemum1974 I am going to leave this thread. But I understand exactly this scenario. My father was a paedophile although he never abused me or my sister. I still wanted to see him.
I think it is those who have no involvement in these kind of scenarios who fail to understand the complexities.

I really am trying to understand your last sentence. Can you explain "I think it is those who have no involvement in these kind of scenarios who fail to understand the complexities" It sounds like you are still trying to process a lot in your life?

SerafinasGoose · 22/01/2024 19:15

This thread is horrifying: possibly the worst thing I've ever read on Mumsnet. Not only for OP, but for the (far too many) other brave women who have posted about similar terrible experiences. It's terrifying how common this is.

It must be like grieving for a once beloved mother whilst she's still alive. I don't, as a rule, blame women for men's behaviour but they have to be culpable for their own. That she's known, all this time, and willingly put her own grandchildren at risk, that she's preferred a sex offender to her own daughter and granddaughter, that she can actually lie down in bed with a man who has done that to a child, is unfathomable. As for the anniversary card update, until that point it seemed she couldn't possibly sink any lower but I don't doubt, OP, that your instincts relating to the pattern with your wedding and honeymoon are correct. She knew exactly what she was doing. On this occasion, yes, I do think she is as bad as he is.

I cannot imagine a more devastating betrayal. Simply unforgiveable.

So sorry OP, and others in a similarly unenviable position. Flowers

catherinemeg · 22/01/2024 19:16

I hope this makes sense I'm crying while I'm writing this and my heart is going out to you.
In the 1960s/70s I was an abused child.
There was a whole lot of physical and mental abuse in the house. Had it happened today I would have been removed.
I was sexualy abused outwith the house. The leaders were "upright" members of the community. When I did try to tell my parents they were enraged with me not the abusers. I was flung of walls, punched, yelled at etc for being a liar. I'd to shut up because "what will people think". It still hurts.
You are doing the right thing. I cannot stress how important it is to keep your children safe. Your mothers support of her husband is outrageous. To be blunt she does not love you or your children at all, if she did she would not have married him and would have thrown him out and contacted the police about the breach of his bail conditions.
Do not feel ashamed or give your birth family another thought, they do not deserve even one second of your time. Your mother is an adult and she chose to marry this man who is a danger to your children. Forget grooming, had she wanted to get away from him she would have. She could have contacted you, social services, the police, her doctor or woman's aid etc.. She chose to put your children in danger. That is unforgivable. She is an enabler and hopefully the police will charge her too. If people ask tell the truth simply and concisely don't get drawn into a long conversation.
Your focus should be on your own family. Get counselling, it will help. It honestly will.
Enjoy your life with your husband and children be thankful your inlaws are supportive. May you all find peace
I hope you feel better soon.

Justgorgeous · 22/01/2024 19:17

Sending love ❤️

mindutopia · 22/01/2024 19:17

@againstmywill I also wanted to say that do take with a grain of salt when people say that they would cut off their mum and this man straight away and never look back. Yes, in my case, I did go NC with the abusers straight away, but it took time to work through the relationship with my mum and eventually come to the decision to go NC with her too (even though obviously my dc were NC with them both right away). Whenever I see one of these threads, everyone always says, 'my mum would never see my dc again'. And yes, that was the right choice for me and I'm comfortable with that decision.

But the reality is that 95% of people out there don't make that decision when faced with having to make it in their own lives. It's different when it's someone you don't know on the internet, compared to being your actual mum. I know this because with the exception of the children abused, and one other family member in dh's family, absolutely no one in either of our families went NC either with the abusers or with our mums for marrying them. Only a couple of my mum's close friends are no longer friends with her.

Everyone else has carried on as normal. They bring their children and grandchildren to stay. They invite them to their homes with all their extended family around and children everywhere. They still think they are pillars of the community. We are uninvited to family events so that they can be there. Because by and large, most people like the status quo and it's easier to play happy families than to cause a fuss. This is pretty typical. I know a few people with similar situations in their families and almost no one has gone NC as a result. They just try to 'keep an eye on' the abuser whenever they visit and make sure their dc are never alone with him. Now do I think this is absolutely bonkers and irresponsible?! Yes, I do. But it's what the vast majority of people do, it seems.

So do be prepared that it may be quite confusing. You may feel like people are telling you to do one thing, but then everyone in your life is acting like you are absolutely mad for being upset about this. I felt like I was in the twilight zone. Everything everyone said in abstract about safeguarding and setting boundaries with my family was literally the complete opposite to how the people around me reacted when I actually did safeguard my children or set those boundaries. I got a lot of 'I would never let my kids around someone who did that!' followed in the next breath by, 'But your mum is so lovely!' or 'But you only get one mum!'. It was really confusing for a long time.

Pleasehelpimexhausted · 22/01/2024 19:18

Perhaps I’m overly cautious but I wouldn’t trust anyone like this with my young girls,

Or boys, hopefully.

Pleasehelpimexhausted · 22/01/2024 19:20

@Bakensmile makes a valuable (if deeply worrying) point about UTIs. I would suggest a chat with the GP and request for a swab. Awful but I think it needs to be done.

Runnerinthenight · 22/01/2024 19:21

Bakensmile · 22/01/2024 19:04

I haven’t RTFT. I’m so sorry OP, this is a horrifying read. Such a huge betrayal, I hope you are ok.

I must say though, I’m quite surprised you let this man have so much access to your children. Naked paddling pool, baths during day visits (that you yourself found strange) and multiple overnight stays. Perhaps I’m overly cautious but I wouldn’t trust anyone like this with my young girls, especially a man who had only been in my life for 5 years prior to having kids and not in an overly close capacity (I’m assuming you weren’t close as you only moved nearer when twins were born). I’m not trying to kick you when you’re down, but for someone who is trained in safeguarding I just found this quite strange.

Also found it alarming when you mentioned your twins have been sore in their private areas/had UTI’s. Perhaps I’m wrong, but I didn’t think that was common at all in young girls and would see it as a massive red flag (I have two girls, a 7 and 5 year old). I sincerely hope this wicked man didn’t do anything, keep having open conversations with your DD’s.

How incredibly tone deaf!!

The OP trusted her own mother!!

MeMySonAnd1 · 22/01/2024 19:21

againstmywill · 22/01/2024 18:41

As much as it is distressing for my daughters, they will never have contact with her, supervised or not. They know that Nanny did not keep them safe and mine and my husbands job is to keep them safe and make sure that others do too.

Op, try not to discuss this with your children unless they bring it in the conversation, children memories are flexible so they may end up “remembering” something that didn’t happen if they think that’s what you want to hear. Let them talk and seek advice if and when they say something about this.

I was abused when I was 4, but I didn’t even realise it was a bad thing until I was a teen, that’s when I needed the counselling and support… which I didn’t have.

The worse part of the abuse is not the act itself but not being able to trust people again, that’s worse than the abuse, the living in fear. So, if your children don’t remember anything please let them enjoy their childhood and trustful nature (under your close supervision, of course). Do not feel tempted to inflict in them that damage, the fear and mistrust, to keep them safe. Watch out for them like an eagle but hope that, if something did happen, that they had forgotten about it but be there for them 200% if at some point something tweaks their memories and some nasty memory shows up.

Things will never be the same with your mum, but see yourself as a survivor, you were brave and determined enough to walk away from your own mum to protect your kids. If you focus on seeing yourself as a victim of your mother actions you will find it extremely difficult to move on from this and to give your family the normality they so much need. Remember, you put your children first, now put yourself first and don’t allow your mum’s behaviour to rule your thoughts and actions, she is away and cut off.

Best of luck 💐💐💐

Runnerinthenight · 22/01/2024 19:22

viques · 22/01/2024 19:07

You found out sixmonths ago but didn’t immediately stop all contact with your mother and your children outside your house?

That's not my impression.

lirp · 22/01/2024 19:25

Oh my god. This is a real life nightmare.

I am so sorry. This betrayal is off the scale on your mothers side. I can't even imagine how you feel about your babies being with him.

Something that will haunt you forever which could have been omitted entirely, had your mother been truthful. Truly revolting.

againstmywill · 22/01/2024 19:27

@viques
No. I found out 6 months ago and as soon as I found out about him and that my mum knew I haven’t spoken to or seen her and not have my children.

OP posts:
Meowandthen · 22/01/2024 19:29

I don’t think there is anything I can add so simply posting in support.

You must be devastated that your mother could be like this. It’s a shocking situation.

I hope you eventually find some peace.

Terrribletwos · 22/01/2024 19:30

catherinemeg · 22/01/2024 19:16

I hope this makes sense I'm crying while I'm writing this and my heart is going out to you.
In the 1960s/70s I was an abused child.
There was a whole lot of physical and mental abuse in the house. Had it happened today I would have been removed.
I was sexualy abused outwith the house. The leaders were "upright" members of the community. When I did try to tell my parents they were enraged with me not the abusers. I was flung of walls, punched, yelled at etc for being a liar. I'd to shut up because "what will people think". It still hurts.
You are doing the right thing. I cannot stress how important it is to keep your children safe. Your mothers support of her husband is outrageous. To be blunt she does not love you or your children at all, if she did she would not have married him and would have thrown him out and contacted the police about the breach of his bail conditions.
Do not feel ashamed or give your birth family another thought, they do not deserve even one second of your time. Your mother is an adult and she chose to marry this man who is a danger to your children. Forget grooming, had she wanted to get away from him she would have. She could have contacted you, social services, the police, her doctor or woman's aid etc.. She chose to put your children in danger. That is unforgivable. She is an enabler and hopefully the police will charge her too. If people ask tell the truth simply and concisely don't get drawn into a long conversation.
Your focus should be on your own family. Get counselling, it will help. It honestly will.
Enjoy your life with your husband and children be thankful your inlaws are supportive. May you all find peace
I hope you feel better soon.

That is so awful!

And, yes you're correct. The mother could have done so many things but she didn't.
It is so simple really! !!

I can never, ever understand why a woman (or man) would chose to live with a convicted abuser. It just doesn't make fucking sense!! And, it is unforgiveable!

TrishTrix · 22/01/2024 19:32

So sorry for you. What a betrayal of Trust from the person you are above all meant to trust the most.

And sad that your wider family are not backing you up.

Snowdogsmitten · 22/01/2024 19:37

I’m worried the mother was not just standing by this man, but complicit in his repellant sexual preferences. She’s offered up small children to this man by offering to randomly bath the children, etc. She’s actually gone out of her way to bring naked children into the home of a paedophile. The children may not appear to have been abused, but they’re still very small and they may have been exploited in other ways.

I am so disturbed by what the OP has been through. One of the worst things I’ve seen on here.

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