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My mum is with a convicted peadophile

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againstmywill · 22/01/2024 13:49

This is long one so please bear with me.
So, I found out 6 months ago that the man my mum has been with for 10 years is a convicted peadophile and she knew. He has had access to my twins since they were born, my mum has helped out with childcare, had them overnight and when I have been away (longest was 6 days). All of this was not allowed as part of his bail conditions.
When I fell pregnant he told the police officers that deal with him that I was pregnant. They told him that if he was to ever see my children that I would need to be told about his past, he told them that he would under no circumstances ever disclose that he was a peadophile to me or my mums family so he was told he was never allowed to see my children, even by accident and if he did, I would have to be told due to safeguarding. My mum was there during this meeting and agreed this and said because I don’t live close (I lived in London at the time which was about an hour/hour and a half drive) she would travel to see me and he would never have contact.
We moved closer to my family when the twins were one.
My twins are now 5 and have had a lot of contact with this man. They have been by themselves with him, stayed overnight in his house (also my mums) and for extended periods of time. They had a relationship with him, they were naked in his garden in the paddling pool, they stayed in the same hotel room as him.
Someone contacted the safeguarding team who knew about him and I got a phone call on a Friday afternoon asking me about who my mum was in a relationship with and then asking me not to let my children see him over the weekend, they would investigate and get back to me. We thought they had got something wrong but I questioned each twin separately to see if there was anything untoward about when being at Nanny’s, asked if they had seen private parts etc. the answer was no. I’ve banged into them about never keeping secrets from me, we use the ‘correct’ vocabulary for our private parts and spoken about how parts of your body are private and for them only. This is the case unless I need to help them (sore/uti/lazy with wiping). So I trust they are unharmed but, then again, they sleep like the living dead so that goes around in my head!
Monday, I hear nothing but I am admitted to hospital with a high temperature, 2 weeks postpartum with singleton, mastitis and a viral infection and needing to be on IV antibiotics. My mum is messaging, seeing if she needs to have my twins but they are with husbands family due to safeguarding call, baby is obviously in with me. Tuesday still nothing so I try to ring, nothing, try different number and get through and leave a message. Don’t hear anything in the afternoon so ring again, person on my case has changed so I ask to speak to someone higher up. Finally get given a number and it’s for a police officer. This is when we know the accusation is serious (other half and I are safeguard trained). Ring police officer and they need permission to share information before can tell us. Two hours later we get the call, it’s usually done face to face but with me being in hospital they said they would rather tell me sooner than later. 15 convictions and convictions read out, I burst into tears after the first one asking how my mum doesn’t know this. This is when I’m told that my mum does know and has know for a long time. 15 fucking convictions and it’s intrafamilial so he had easy access to those children too. I’m in no state to speak so my other half takes the lead and we are asked to make a statement backing up that he has had contact with my children.

My husband made a statement the next day, the police were so grateful and the whole team were gathering evidence as they wanted to get him. We found out more and more about my mum’s involvement and how much she knew. It’s safe to say the police were disgusted by her and weren’t afraid to make that known to my other half!
The next day the whole team turn up at his house and arrest him. My mum finally understands why she hasn’t heard from me from Tuesday afternoon.
He was sentenced before Christmas and isn’t going back to prison but has got a suspended sentence. He LIED for 5 years to the probation team and the specialist team that deals with him. His life doesn’t change. Her life, apart from not seeing me and her grandchildren, doesn’t change. One of my brothers still sees her with his daughter(!?). My other brothers haven’t heard from here ans are waiting for her to contact them, she has assumed they will feel like me. They see it as ‘but nothing happened to your twins’ which I feel isn’t the point!!!

My mum, after we found out a few months ago, married him.

My life is broken. My mum has committed the most heinous crime in my eyes, so I no longer have a mother. Her family haven’t contacted me after she told them that he’s a peadophile. So, with a decision that I did not make, my twins, my newborn and I need to suffer the consequences. My husband is being supportive and is unbelievably angry at my family, my brothers and obviously my mum. They don’t see how bad my mum has been and the danger she put my children in.

At first I lied to my DDs and said that Nanny and —— were on holiday. One twin turned round one morning and told me they knew nanny wasn’t on holiday and asked why they couldn’t see her. I had to tell them Nanny had done something very bad and put them in really bad danger but they’re 5 so they don’t really understand.
How can a mother do this to their child and grandchildren? How can my brothers not understand?
I can’t tell people because I’m so ashamed my mum could do this to us.

OP posts:
justrecognisedmyneighbouronhere · 22/01/2024 20:22

Your mum has clearly been groomed but to choose him over her family is unforgivable and I can't imagine how hard that is for you.

Menapausemum1974 · 22/01/2024 20:25

Yes, why shouldn’t she allow her mum and as far as she is aware ( mums trusted partner) to have the kids running about naked and bath them etc. most people aren’t perverts and it’s not like she met him yesterday. I think it was unnecessarily harsh and quite cruel bearing in mind what she going through.

ShoePalaver · 22/01/2024 20:30

Runnerinthenight · 22/01/2024 16:39

That is ridiculous.

Not ridiculous. No need for kids to be naked or stay over with unrelated men.

SamW98 · 22/01/2024 20:33

I can’t add anything to where already been said OP other than I’m so sorry your mother set her bar lower than a snakes belly and lied to you. Her betrayal is disgusting

I applaud your bravery and strength in making the right decision. Please be kind to yourself and your children. None of this brings shame on you. Hold your head high ❤️

Noseybookworm · 22/01/2024 20:33

againstmywill · 22/01/2024 19:46

@Bakensmile
No, one has had one suspected UTI during lockdown when I was potty training when she was 2 (no contact with anyone). What I meant was that that I teach them that their privates are private for them only but I may have to look or help them wipe. One didn’t wipe properly at school and would have wet knickers on and get sore so I would put sudocrem on. These incidents were before they had any over night contacts.
You assumed that I allowed them to be naked in their garden. I sent swimming costumes.
The baths, I assumed at the time, were because I was pregnant and wasn’t allowed to lift them so she was trying to help even though my husband was bathing them. I had a difficult pregnancy.

Also, assuming I wasn’t close beforehand was just that, an assumption. I was close to my family and I saw them often. Spoke to them often and had a good relationship with him. If anything, I spoke to him more than my actual mother. My mother is my mother and I trusted her judgement. Maybe that was naive of me but she was my bloody mother! Also, I had met his family, his daughters and his grandchildren (turns out they all know and have ‘contracts’). What would make me suspect he wasn’t trustworthy?

You are absolutely not to blame for trusting your mother OP! I would trust my mother too and to find that she has let you down in the worst possible way must be absolutely devastating. I'm so sorry that you are having to go through this horrific ordeal 😔 it sounds like you and your husband are a good team and support each other. I'd definitely think about therapy to help you. It's so much to get your head around. Sending you lots of support and strength 💐

BalletBob · 22/01/2024 20:40

I've only read your posts, OP. Just wanted to say that you are an amazing mum and your children are so lucky to have you. You instantly did the right thing and safeguarded them. You sprang into action and took all the correct steps with the police and seeking therapy through school. You have put them first above any sense of family obligation (which is more than your own mother could manage) and they will have no doubt as they grow up that they are your absolute priority.

I know you must be bewildered and heartbroken, but take solace in the fact that your children will never have to feel the betrayal that you are feeling now because they have a mum who keeps them safe.

Ramalangadingdong · 22/01/2024 20:40

I once put a post on MN saying that if I had a child (I am child free) I would never allow them to have sleepovers. I got absolutely flamed and mocked, even though I informed people that the reason I wouldn't allow that is because I am a survivor of CSA and the people who abused me were fine upstanding citizens who everyone respected and trusted.

As a consequence of the abuse, when I was a child I had this strange feeling that I knew things about the character of certain adults that other adults were naive about. And that's exactly how it felt: as though I was more grown up than them because of what I knew and because they seemed so trusting. I'm not saying that everyone should be like me - in fact, I am jealous that other people can trust others because their innocence wasn't shattered so early on as mine was.

It is going to get harder for op's mother in the years to come. She may start to wake up one day and that is going to be awful as she realises what she has done for a man who doesn't deserve her loyalty, as well as the extent of what she has lost. I thank God that the abuse I suffered has not led me to do what she is doing, which I consider to be a form of abuse in itself.

samqueens · 22/01/2024 20:42

I’m so sorry OP - that’s is a horrific situation and of course you are completely right. If you can find a way in future to sustain a relationship with your 13yo niece she may be very grateful for your understanding and support later in her life, as presumably she has been exposed to this man throughout her early years. So try to keep up with birthday cards, maybe offer to take her out every now and again - just keep a direct link there if you can bear to.

The thing that stands out to me in terms of going forward and things you do have control over is how to frame this to your own DC. It’s terrible that you should have to add this to your plate, but I think you’d find it really helpful to try and speak to at least a couple of relevant professionals for impartial advice on how to handle it with them.

They know that their Nanny is your mum, and you don’t want them to later question the strength of the relationship between mother and child (ie between you and them). If they feel that you don’t see nanny anymore because she has been ‘bad’ they may later worry that if they are ‘bad’ you will no longer be in their lives either.

My guess is that the focus should lie around safety and trust, as in “it’s my job to keep you safe and to make sure that everyone around you also keeps you safe. Nanny is ok but she is in a situation right now which means we can’t be safe with her. That makes me very sad but it does mean we won’t be seeing her for now.”

I have no idea if the above is actually the right thing, and I would definitely try and get as much advice as possible on how to frame this now and later as they get older. But I think you do need to be mindful of how children can extrapolate information from one situation to another, and (even though you know how justified your anger and disgust are) keep explanations very factual and non-judgemental as far as your twins are concerned. (Then vent to a therapist or on MN or to a friend if you are able to find the courage to tell someone in RL)

I’m so sorry to give you another dimension of this to have to consider, but it’s such a difficult situation and all you want is for your own family to come out of it as intact and healthy as possible. I’m sure a professional will be able to advise - perhaps the police have someone they can suggest. Good luck 💐

Runnerinthenight · 22/01/2024 20:44

viques · 22/01/2024 19:42

Good. but the time line is not clear from your OP..

It was quite clear to me.

Runnerinthenight · 22/01/2024 20:45

ShoePalaver · 22/01/2024 20:30

Not ridiculous. No need for kids to be naked or stay over with unrelated men.

Oh god, unclench! They were with their granny.

I don't think your comments are in the least bit helpful to the OP!

4timesthefun · 22/01/2024 20:47

What an awful situation OP. You are doing an amazing job with your children. I’d definitely recommend some counselling to help process your own anger, and understandable grief at what this means for the relationship with your mother.

Unfortunately it’s not an uncommon situation. I used to assess risk in sex offenders and saw many that had abused their own children and other family members. These were typically ones that admitted it too. It was staggering just how many were still married.

Consistentlytired · 22/01/2024 20:50

OP I am so sorry you are going through this. What an awful thing to process. You have done everything you can to safeguard your children. Please seek some support and be kind to yourself.
My dad brought me up, when I was 12 my dad was arrested but I didn't know the reason why till a year later, he was accused of SA against my cousin 6 years previously, he got no further action. Unfortunately the whole family did not believe my cousin, myself included but i was only 13 and she moved away.
I went on to move out and have my own children and because of the arrest I never actually allowed my dad to have unsupervised contact.
To cut a long story short when my own dd turned 7 I had this feeling that my cousin wasn't lying so done some digging and got my brother to search dad's room. He found a SD card, it had hundreds of photos of me and my friends on in our swimsuits. I eventually confronted my dad and he admitted to SA on my cousin. I rang the police he denied it and the photos alone were not "illegal" I contacted my cousin and she confronted him, he admitted it again and to SA some of my freinds, we recorded it and rang the police again. He was prosecuted eventually but only served 2 years.
As a result I was ostracised from dad's side of the family. It took me a long time to process and you never truly trust anyone. ❤️

Hiddenvoice · 22/01/2024 20:54

That’s awful, I could never forgive your mum for that. She knowingly put all of her grandchildren in danger.
I also don’t blame you for being upset with your brothers, hopefully your brother with your dn will come to his senses one day. I imagine he’s been made to feel guilty by your mum.

You’re doing the correct thing in putting your children first. You’ve done amazing to get them support already. I’d suggest you maybe talk to someone too, you’ve been through an awful lot and it’s very traumatic and definitely not what’s needed after the birth of your youngest. It might help you to separate your happy events from the times your children spent at theirs and with them that way you can cherish your happy moments again.

Runnerinthenight · 22/01/2024 20:56

LlynTegid · 22/01/2024 20:19

You sometimes hear the expression 'no son of mine' to refer to a wayward boy or young man. Someone I knew a few years ago was on such bad terms with his ex-wife that he referred to her as his child's mother.

I cannot think of an appropriate term to use to describe the woman who gave birth to the OP.

I call women like that, 'egg donors' - 'sperm donor' if it's a dad.

Daysie · 22/01/2024 20:57

So so sorry you have gone through this.

Your strength will get you through.

Emotionalsupportviper · 22/01/2024 20:57

RaccoonOnTheSofa · 22/01/2024 15:43

This is mind blowing.

I’d never let a paedophile near my child, even if they had been fully castrated. How horrific.

And you would be right not to.

Research has shown that even when paedophiles are unable to "perform" themselves (chemical castration, age, medical problems etc) they continue to assist other paedophiles get access to, and abuse, children

Paedophiles are NEVER "cured" or "reformed".

BarbieDangerous · 22/01/2024 21:01

YouAreAnIdiot · 22/01/2024 14:59

With all due respect you don’t let your kids naked in someone’s garden or stay overnight even if your mother is there

He’s still a stranger FFS, lots of perverts around without formal conviction, you just don’t do that

This is exactly what I was going to say. There’s a lot of CSA victims in my family and I’ve been raised not to trust anyone but I did think this is just common sense?

Even if he wasn’t a convicted sicko, I don’t think it’s wise to allow your young children to sleepover at a house with him there. Or have them naked in the garden. I wouldn’t even have my children naked around other family members let alone someone who is unrelated to you.

Your mum is fucked and I have no clue why she’d put your children in danger like this. It also shows that she’s not apologetic as she’s gone on to marry him. At least you have the support of your DH and his family. Always be alert around people - family or not

Cherrysoup · 22/01/2024 21:07

I can never understand people protecting abusers and preferring to carry on doing so at the expense of their own children. I’m so sorry you’ve gone through this, OP. You’ve been incredibly strong and protected your children. Bloody horrific of your mother.😢

ScrantonDunderMifflin · 22/01/2024 21:08

This is absolutely terrible. I'm so sorry this happened to you.
Glad your children weren't harmed but your relationship with your mum will never recover. I can't believe she would put a paedo first and prioritise him over her children and grandchildren.

Littlebitpsycho · 22/01/2024 21:11

Hands down the worst thread I've ever read on here.

I'm so sorry for what you've been through, I can't begin to imagine the feeling of betrayal.

Agree with previous posters suggestions of counselling. You are amazing and have done the right thing for your lovely kids.

Both your mum and her partner deserve to rot, as does every other person who knew and didn't disclose. Vile

Namechange357 · 22/01/2024 21:14

I’m so so sorry you’re going through this. What an absolute betrayal. Words fail me. Please do access some support in real life. And maybe play therapy for your twins, even if “nothing” happened, they’ve effectively (and quite rightly from a. Safeguarding perspective) lost half their extended family, and will need to be told at some point when older.

TacaremboLaTumbaDelFuegoSantaMalipasZacatecas · 22/01/2024 21:15

Sorry in advance for this long post.

Also: TRIGGER WARNING CSA AND SUICIDE

I’ve read this whole thread with my heart pounding out of my chest. I was in a similar situation as a child. We spent a lot of time at my grandmother’s when parents were working, etc. Lots of overnight stays. My grandmother was the carer for my aunt who had a mental disability that meant she was essentially a teenager in terms of reasoning and decision making although she was physically an adult. When I was around 13, she got a new boyfriend and he was always there. I HATED him. He made my skin crawl and I used to take my DB out of the room whenever he tried to talk to him. We had this ‘cousin’ who used to stay with them over the school holidays and one day his mum turned up suddenly to collect him as she’d had a call from the police. Turns out the boyfriend was a convicted paedophile. When the house got raided there were stacks and stacks of videos of CSA. I remember being gutted because they found them in the cupboard when my aunt kept the James Bond movies we used to watch together. My grandmother denied knowing but my aunt was so dependent on her for everything that there’s no way she didn’t know about the videos. My aunt stuck by him and eventually overdosed. He was good enough to call the ambulance but left her to die alone. That disgusting man targeted my aunt because she was vulnerable but she and my grandmother still should’ve protected us.

The strange thing is, my aunt’s ex was at her house a couple of times whilst she was dating this new guy and one day I opened the toilet door and he turned around and showed me his penis. I was sure he’d left the door unlocked on purpose. I thought many times after that how strange it was that he suddenly turned up again after years when my aunt was in a new relationship. I mentioned it to my mum and she said that ex and new bf were friends which is how he’d met my aunt. It wasn’t until recently that I realised they could’ve been part of a paedophile ring and the exposure was him testing the waters.

As a result of this (and previous sexual assault as a young child) I am so protective of my child. I don’t know if my reasoning is fuelled by anxiety but I don’t trust ANYBODY. No baths, no nappy changes. Certainly no running around naked in front of anyone other than me and DH. I am probably a bit too protective but I am so distrusting of people who are keen to spend time with a child that is not their own or a direct relative. I don’t even trust my own parents because of failures to safeguard me and DB as children.

I am not blaming OP at all but I wonder how it feels to have a brain that isn’t so hyper suspicious as mine. I adore my DH step-dad but if he offered to have my child stay overnight in the same hotel room I would run screaming. But, as I said, my brain may be skewed by past experience.

Just to add, I think you’re doing amazingly OP. There are people in your situation who wouldn’t protect their children as it is ‘inconvenient’ to them to do so.

BritneyBookClubPresident · 22/01/2024 21:17

I'm so sorry reading this OP. I think counselling would help you process your emotions as this is so much. However well done for having done the right thing, ending the relationship with them and protecting your DC.

So sadly I've read threads like this before where women have chosen to protect paedophiles over being a good/honest parent and grandparent. I cannot understand it.

I hope the remainder of your family educates themselves to the huge risk and becomes disgusted with their behaviour.

YouAreAnIdiot · 22/01/2024 21:17

Runnerinthenight · 22/01/2024 20:45

Oh god, unclench! They were with their granny.

I don't think your comments are in the least bit helpful to the OP!

Nope ! They were not just with their granny!

Amy1998 · 22/01/2024 21:20

YouAreAnIdiot · 22/01/2024 21:17

Nope ! They were not just with their granny!

I agree with you in a way, an old man who is unrelated was also there.

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