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My mum is with a convicted peadophile

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againstmywill · 22/01/2024 13:49

This is long one so please bear with me.
So, I found out 6 months ago that the man my mum has been with for 10 years is a convicted peadophile and she knew. He has had access to my twins since they were born, my mum has helped out with childcare, had them overnight and when I have been away (longest was 6 days). All of this was not allowed as part of his bail conditions.
When I fell pregnant he told the police officers that deal with him that I was pregnant. They told him that if he was to ever see my children that I would need to be told about his past, he told them that he would under no circumstances ever disclose that he was a peadophile to me or my mums family so he was told he was never allowed to see my children, even by accident and if he did, I would have to be told due to safeguarding. My mum was there during this meeting and agreed this and said because I don’t live close (I lived in London at the time which was about an hour/hour and a half drive) she would travel to see me and he would never have contact.
We moved closer to my family when the twins were one.
My twins are now 5 and have had a lot of contact with this man. They have been by themselves with him, stayed overnight in his house (also my mums) and for extended periods of time. They had a relationship with him, they were naked in his garden in the paddling pool, they stayed in the same hotel room as him.
Someone contacted the safeguarding team who knew about him and I got a phone call on a Friday afternoon asking me about who my mum was in a relationship with and then asking me not to let my children see him over the weekend, they would investigate and get back to me. We thought they had got something wrong but I questioned each twin separately to see if there was anything untoward about when being at Nanny’s, asked if they had seen private parts etc. the answer was no. I’ve banged into them about never keeping secrets from me, we use the ‘correct’ vocabulary for our private parts and spoken about how parts of your body are private and for them only. This is the case unless I need to help them (sore/uti/lazy with wiping). So I trust they are unharmed but, then again, they sleep like the living dead so that goes around in my head!
Monday, I hear nothing but I am admitted to hospital with a high temperature, 2 weeks postpartum with singleton, mastitis and a viral infection and needing to be on IV antibiotics. My mum is messaging, seeing if she needs to have my twins but they are with husbands family due to safeguarding call, baby is obviously in with me. Tuesday still nothing so I try to ring, nothing, try different number and get through and leave a message. Don’t hear anything in the afternoon so ring again, person on my case has changed so I ask to speak to someone higher up. Finally get given a number and it’s for a police officer. This is when we know the accusation is serious (other half and I are safeguard trained). Ring police officer and they need permission to share information before can tell us. Two hours later we get the call, it’s usually done face to face but with me being in hospital they said they would rather tell me sooner than later. 15 convictions and convictions read out, I burst into tears after the first one asking how my mum doesn’t know this. This is when I’m told that my mum does know and has know for a long time. 15 fucking convictions and it’s intrafamilial so he had easy access to those children too. I’m in no state to speak so my other half takes the lead and we are asked to make a statement backing up that he has had contact with my children.

My husband made a statement the next day, the police were so grateful and the whole team were gathering evidence as they wanted to get him. We found out more and more about my mum’s involvement and how much she knew. It’s safe to say the police were disgusted by her and weren’t afraid to make that known to my other half!
The next day the whole team turn up at his house and arrest him. My mum finally understands why she hasn’t heard from me from Tuesday afternoon.
He was sentenced before Christmas and isn’t going back to prison but has got a suspended sentence. He LIED for 5 years to the probation team and the specialist team that deals with him. His life doesn’t change. Her life, apart from not seeing me and her grandchildren, doesn’t change. One of my brothers still sees her with his daughter(!?). My other brothers haven’t heard from here ans are waiting for her to contact them, she has assumed they will feel like me. They see it as ‘but nothing happened to your twins’ which I feel isn’t the point!!!

My mum, after we found out a few months ago, married him.

My life is broken. My mum has committed the most heinous crime in my eyes, so I no longer have a mother. Her family haven’t contacted me after she told them that he’s a peadophile. So, with a decision that I did not make, my twins, my newborn and I need to suffer the consequences. My husband is being supportive and is unbelievably angry at my family, my brothers and obviously my mum. They don’t see how bad my mum has been and the danger she put my children in.

At first I lied to my DDs and said that Nanny and —— were on holiday. One twin turned round one morning and told me they knew nanny wasn’t on holiday and asked why they couldn’t see her. I had to tell them Nanny had done something very bad and put them in really bad danger but they’re 5 so they don’t really understand.
How can a mother do this to their child and grandchildren? How can my brothers not understand?
I can’t tell people because I’m so ashamed my mum could do this to us.

OP posts:
NonComplainingDay · 22/01/2024 21:20

This is absolutely horrific.
I worked in child abuse department for 13 years and sadly this is not uncommon.
Your Mum is a vile disgusting monster and l wouldn't be surprised if she's not as bad as him, as she seems so accepting of it all. Never allow either of them in your lives again.
Also Claire's Law is a very positive safeguarding tool, but because so many child abuse victims tend to keep quiet, don't just assume the person is safe just because no record of any previous convictions. Many predators go undetected.

Amy1998 · 22/01/2024 21:26

NonComplainingDay · 22/01/2024 21:20

This is absolutely horrific.
I worked in child abuse department for 13 years and sadly this is not uncommon.
Your Mum is a vile disgusting monster and l wouldn't be surprised if she's not as bad as him, as she seems so accepting of it all. Never allow either of them in your lives again.
Also Claire's Law is a very positive safeguarding tool, but because so many child abuse victims tend to keep quiet, don't just assume the person is safe just because no record of any previous convictions. Many predators go undetected.

You mean Sarah’s law right? Claire’s law is for DV

fewgoo · 22/01/2024 21:39

Bless you, you are incredible brave to stand up for your children as you have seen from you're own Mother age was willing to throw you all under the bus for her 'nice' life with his man. Wish there were more like you not willing to protect hideous people.

I think you absolutely did the right thing and I'm sorry you have lost so much and wish you all the best. Definitely get counselling/support when you can, you have been through an incredibly difficult situation and I imagine the grief of losing your mum and how you lost her will be difficult to process.

thatsjustthewayitisok · 22/01/2024 21:40

Amy1998 · 22/01/2024 21:26

You mean Sarah’s law right? Claire’s law is for DV

Yes, I thought exactly the same when I read it. It's Sarah's Law, not Claire's Law. I take it you were in a non practitioner role, @NonComplainingDay . Nothing wrong with that, but best not to insinuate you have knowledge that you don't actually have.

Fluffyknickers · 22/01/2024 21:47

Do you think your mum could be in any way connected to his disgusting crimes.

Amy1998 · 22/01/2024 21:48

Fluffyknickers · 22/01/2024 21:47

Do you think your mum could be in any way connected to his disgusting crimes.

I do understand your question, but I don’t think this is helpful to OP as we will never know.

SgtJuneAckland · 22/01/2024 21:50

I work in this field, this is a really significant breach of SHPO which is what he would've gone to court for.
It is unlikely he was under probation for the historic offences (he will be now he's got a new suspended sentence) , sex offenders registration sand sexual harm prevention orders (formerly. Sexual offending prevention orders) address managed by police MOSOVO (management of sexual offending and violent offending) teams (they have other names in some areas such as jigsaw in London). SHPO and SO registration can be lifelong. With his previous sentence/sentences he will have received a custodial sentence and then a period on licence. If he was still on licence he would not still be in the community, he would've been recalled to prison for the further offence of breach of SHPO, breach of licence conditions -to be of good behaviour and to not commit further offences, it is likely he would've also had other licence conditions such as no contact with U16/U18s bit to reside even for one night with U16/18s etc , which he would've also breached. So the fact he is still in the community tells me he can't have still been on licence and under probation management. SHPOs often have similar conditions but the consequences for breaching them are the court's decision.

I should be shocked by your mum's behaviour (I expect it from him tbh) but sadly I'm not I see it all too often and have given many many disclosures over the years in similar circumstances. You did nothing wrong to trust your own mother.

Andthereyougo · 22/01/2024 21:52

@againstmywill im so sorry, if you can’t count on your mum….. words fail me but sadly this happens. Even in my quite sheltered life I’ve known 2 mums who took up with convicted paedophiles, one even had a child with him. They are manipulative but that’s no excuse to women who put children, grandchildren at risk.
I how you, your husband and children will all be ok in time. 💐

MouseMinge · 22/01/2024 22:00

RobinEllacotStrike · 22/01/2024 14:05

oh no, I am so sorry @againstmywill

My Mum had a relationship with a paedophile when I was 13. He was interested in boys, and there was no physical abuse towards me or my siblings, but he groomed our whole family and used us to access children - mostly my brothers friends.

My Mum knew. He had previous convictions and subsequent convictions.

Before I even knew what a paedophile was I hated this man - he was 100% creep. Nothing likeable about him. Totally played my idiot mother.

It decimated my teens, my family life, my connection to home - everything. As I wasn't abused I've never been counted in a statistic even - but this really very negatively affected my life. Mostly because my parents totally disreagarded us. I later found out my father also knew the history of the man who his X moved in to live with his kids - he did nothing about it. Another betrayal..

Thankfully this was all before I had kids myself.

Very different circumstances to you, but I want to let you know I can feel your shock, disgust & upset.

My relationship with my mother never recovered. I don't see her much now. When I do she is likley to updte me with cheery news like "oh DICKHEAD PAEDOPHILE popped in the other day on his way through town"
I can't even for the life of me think why she would say something like this to me?
Its unfathomable a huge betrayal, and I think she must be seriously mentally unwell to even think it would be OK to mention him to me. Its like she thinks our utterly shit relationship is normal and not the direct result of her relationship with this man.

Anyway that was all decades ago. I've had lots of therapy which has helped. I live on the other side of the world which helps.

I'm so sorry you are going through this.

My mum was in a relationship with a paedophile for about six years from when I was 11-17. She didn't know that he was because he'd never been convicted but he had abused both of his daughters and he abused me. After he was thrown out, for other reasons, I didn't tell her because I was told not to and it was before childline and I didn't know that this happened to other people. He then went to live with a friend who had daughters with SEN they were abused by him and their father.

Eventually, my mum found out because we all watched the first programme with Esther Ransen that started childline. I said nothing but my stepfather realised that something wasn't right and talked to my mum who phoned me and I told her. As with many things in life she made it all about her. Why didn't I tell her, didn't I realise how that made her feel. We got past it because I found out horrid things he did to her too. I was however livid when she called to tell me he died - in hospital, alone, struggling to breathe - my reaction was "Good! He deserved a slow painful death alone." I got told off for being so horrible about someone who was dead. I loved my mother but my god she stretched that love hard at times.

@againstmywill I am so sorry that you're having to endure this. Thank god someone reported him and the safeguarding people got in touch with you. It will take time to heal and I agree with multiple other people that therapy would help a lot. I doubt you'll ever be able to have a relationship with her again and I don't blame you. It's a huge betrayal. I'm glad you have your husband's family and that your husband is a strong man who loves you and supports you. I hope you're doing better physically and glad that your children have come away unscathed. You need to look after yourself so from an internet wrongmo, please do a lot of that for yourself. Time will help with this but my god, your mother is a dreadful woman to put you through this.

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 22/01/2024 22:12

Omg, that's horrific!! Sorry, but your mum is complicit in this, unforgivable.
Much love and hugs to you sweetheart x

Lightermoon · 22/01/2024 22:25

I can’t believe the police left this man and your mum to be honest. Why were you not contacted anyway! As a peadofile he has lied repeatedly anyway! Your mum has clearly protected him. I would suggest play therapy for your children to find out if anything has happened.

Snowdogsmitten · 22/01/2024 22:33

Menapausemum1974 · 22/01/2024 20:25

Yes, why shouldn’t she allow her mum and as far as she is aware ( mums trusted partner) to have the kids running about naked and bath them etc. most people aren’t perverts and it’s not like she met him yesterday. I think it was unnecessarily harsh and quite cruel bearing in mind what she going through.

You fucking what now?

Snowdogsmitten · 22/01/2024 22:36

Runnerinthenight · 22/01/2024 20:45

Oh god, unclench! They were with their granny.

I don't think your comments are in the least bit helpful to the OP!

Are you serious? Their ‘granny’ knows she is married to a convicted paedophile. She would request to randomly bath the children. I wouldn’t be surprised if the ‘granny’ was groomed by him and complicit in serving up naked children for him to look at.

I can’t even bear to think of that. It’s totally fucked. This ‘granny’ is not to be trusted to keep those children safe. She has deliberately put them in danger.

DahliaRose3 · 22/01/2024 22:47

I'm incredibly sorry, that's bloody disgusting. I would confront your mother and sibling, and tell them exactly how I felt - disgusted, hurt, betrayed.

In addition, I would say to them, that the only thing that makes sense for them to be complicit in this, is that they themselves are paedophiles - because really who else would let this happen?! Then I would tell them to f off & rot in hell. I would also report your brother for safeguarding concerns Re his daughter.

MaleinPreg1stTrim · 22/01/2024 22:51

She's your mum but she's put your children in danger to life. She can't be trusted but only you know her best. Try to reconnect with her. Find out more through counselling and go from there. She'll always be your mother. But you'll always be your kids mother. You need time to heal after the hurt she's put you through. This doesn't mean you have to reconnect her with your children. Could it be possible your children will 1 day reach out to her without you knowing? Tell her she's lost your trust by letting your children, her grandchildren, enter a house on fire. You're the water in this. But the fire engine needs fixing first. Anything broken can be fixed but fire's as in peadofiles should stay away from kids and that's unforgivable. Your mum wasn't the peadofile but she played a role in starting the fire. Good luck.

WingingItSince1973 · 22/01/2024 23:09

OP words absolutely fail me. I hope you are all getting some support. It blows your mind doesn't it how a woman could stand by such a hideous creature that causes harm and devastation to children and put her own dgc in danger. I was abused by my step dad and my mums reaction was horror that I'd told someone. Then when she split up with him she would still send myself and my little brother to stay with him in the school holidays. It's so so hard to fathom why these women put these men first. There was a documentary on YouTube I was watching about women who stand by these men but I had to switch it off I was getting so angry. Maybe someone could explain the psyche of such women? I'm really sorry your mum has let you and your dc down in such a disgusting way. I hope your brother starts protecting your niece. I would have to create merry hell with authorities if this was my niece but understandably you have so much to deal with. Lots of love to you xxxx

Debtfreegoals · 22/01/2024 23:12

Really sickening and I’d be the same, devastated.

Runnerinthenight · 22/01/2024 23:12

YouAreAnIdiot · 22/01/2024 21:17

Nope ! They were not just with their granny!

Stop splitting hairs and stop trying to guilt-trip the OP.

They were primarily in the care of their granny, whose judgement was trusted as to who she had in her home, as with millions of families the world over!!

God I would hate to live my life in such an untrusting way, with no reason!!

Runnerinthenight · 22/01/2024 23:19

Snowdogsmitten · 22/01/2024 22:36

Are you serious? Their ‘granny’ knows she is married to a convicted paedophile. She would request to randomly bath the children. I wouldn’t be surprised if the ‘granny’ was groomed by him and complicit in serving up naked children for him to look at.

I can’t even bear to think of that. It’s totally fucked. This ‘granny’ is not to be trusted to keep those children safe. She has deliberately put them in danger.

I am absolutely serious, and you are posting nonsense.

The OP trusted her own mother. Most of us trust our mothers with our children, unless we have good reason not to. She had no reason to suspect the partner either. My kids used to love to have a bath at granny's - I was there as they had no other way of getting there and sadly never got to sleep over - and thought it was a great novelty. Why on earth wouldn't I have trusted my mum to give my kids a bath?!

NOW the OP knows different, unfortunately. It's such a gross betrayal of trust. In a normal mother-child relationship, you think your mum and dad are the only people in the world who love your children nearly as much as you do.

You are preaching with the benefit of hindsight, and it's rubbish.

Messyhair321 · 22/01/2024 23:27

I don't feel surprised about anything anymore. This is unbelievably sad though especially because your DM felt that any crimes were historic? (Not knowing a lot about it, can people who commit sexual crime against children ever get to a point where they don't want to?) and/or she could have been groomed herself & charmed by him.

Does anyone know what crimes were actually committed? I know that some people are say 16 & have sex with someone who is15 & technically that is rape of.a minor. So I'd want to know what sort of crimes were committed. This would inform me of what sort of risk my children were subject to.
I can totally understand the feeling of betrayal of your DM. I can also see that the children will not get why they can't see their grandparents any more. They won't get it even if you told them probably, because they weren't hurt by him, they will only see it from their perspective. It'll be a huge loss for them, they won't see or care about anything else.
It's going to be time that'll heal this.
I'm really so sorry that you've lost your mother, despite what she's done, that's going to hurt & I can see that pain in your story.

Messyhair321 · 22/01/2024 23:36

SgtJuneAckland · 22/01/2024 21:50

I work in this field, this is a really significant breach of SHPO which is what he would've gone to court for.
It is unlikely he was under probation for the historic offences (he will be now he's got a new suspended sentence) , sex offenders registration sand sexual harm prevention orders (formerly. Sexual offending prevention orders) address managed by police MOSOVO (management of sexual offending and violent offending) teams (they have other names in some areas such as jigsaw in London). SHPO and SO registration can be lifelong. With his previous sentence/sentences he will have received a custodial sentence and then a period on licence. If he was still on licence he would not still be in the community, he would've been recalled to prison for the further offence of breach of SHPO, breach of licence conditions -to be of good behaviour and to not commit further offences, it is likely he would've also had other licence conditions such as no contact with U16/U18s bit to reside even for one night with U16/18s etc , which he would've also breached. So the fact he is still in the community tells me he can't have still been on licence and under probation management. SHPOs often have similar conditions but the consequences for breaching them are the court's decision.

I should be shocked by your mum's behaviour (I expect it from him tbh) but sadly I'm not I see it all too often and have given many many disclosures over the years in similar circumstances. You did nothing wrong to trust your own mother.

So with this experience, given that this person was in the community, & that he's not received a custodial sentence (he did get a suspended sentence for this), why do you think he didn't get sent straight to prison? Genuinely puzzled, is this because of the original crimes? I've not understood what these were exactly, age he was, age of children, what he was doing etc..

YouAreAnIdiot · 22/01/2024 23:44

Runnerinthenight · 22/01/2024 23:12

Stop splitting hairs and stop trying to guilt-trip the OP.

They were primarily in the care of their granny, whose judgement was trusted as to who she had in her home, as with millions of families the world over!!

God I would hate to live my life in such an untrusting way, with no reason!!

Splitting hairs for pointing the obvious ?

Do you need to be a CSA victim to realise that kids bathing in front of strangers is wrong? Who gives a flying fuck if somewhere in the house is her mum?

young mums are reading these threads, you give an awful message

No wonder so many adults come out with CSA experiences, cause someone like you prefers to live in la la land and ignore basic diligence

MCOut · 22/01/2024 23:48

Sending you the biggest hug OP. You are so strong to be getting through this. You have absolutely made the right decision. I would feel angry with my siblings too, does DN’s Mum know about this situation?

I empathise that your Mum needs help but no body can reasonably expect you to resume a relationship with her after she knowingly put your children at tremendous risk. I would cut contact with anyone who was giving them the time of day and would make it clear why.

Damnedidont · 22/01/2024 23:50

My adopted children were abused by their birth father ànd his friends The mother was irritated by the screaming and so put her coat on and went out.

bombardelli · 22/01/2024 23:55

Consistentlytired · 22/01/2024 20:50

OP I am so sorry you are going through this. What an awful thing to process. You have done everything you can to safeguard your children. Please seek some support and be kind to yourself.
My dad brought me up, when I was 12 my dad was arrested but I didn't know the reason why till a year later, he was accused of SA against my cousin 6 years previously, he got no further action. Unfortunately the whole family did not believe my cousin, myself included but i was only 13 and she moved away.
I went on to move out and have my own children and because of the arrest I never actually allowed my dad to have unsupervised contact.
To cut a long story short when my own dd turned 7 I had this feeling that my cousin wasn't lying so done some digging and got my brother to search dad's room. He found a SD card, it had hundreds of photos of me and my friends on in our swimsuits. I eventually confronted my dad and he admitted to SA on my cousin. I rang the police he denied it and the photos alone were not "illegal" I contacted my cousin and she confronted him, he admitted it again and to SA some of my freinds, we recorded it and rang the police again. He was prosecuted eventually but only served 2 years.
As a result I was ostracised from dad's side of the family. It took me a long time to process and you never truly trust anyone. ❤️

Edited

You did the right thing Flowers Very brave too. Family who ostracised you aren’t worth having in your life.

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