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When did putting husbands down become a national sport?

241 replies

Kosenrufugirl · 17/01/2024 16:42

I was listening to a mainstream radio station the other day when the DJ publicly reciting a mistake her husband had made recently. She invited other women to join in and a short while later she read out their stories too. I am just wondering... I wouldn't behave like this to a work colleague no matter how much I might be annoyed with their behaviour. I would most certainly not be publicly humuliated like this by anyone without taking it up to the Line Manager. It's disturbing me why this behaviour seems to be acceptable towards husbands and partners. What do others think?

OP posts:
5128gap · 18/01/2024 14:34

Honestly OP, if you want your children to live in the world as it should be, there is a LOT of work to be done. So much so that those who care need to prioritise, because we simply don't have the capacity to worry about everything all at once. There is so much injustice and disadvantage in this world related to a person's sex, and im sure you know which sex carries the greater burden there. So genuinely, do you think stopping women joking about their husbands is the best place to start improving the world?

Kosenrufugirl · 18/01/2024 14:52

5128gap · 18/01/2024 14:34

Honestly OP, if you want your children to live in the world as it should be, there is a LOT of work to be done. So much so that those who care need to prioritise, because we simply don't have the capacity to worry about everything all at once. There is so much injustice and disadvantage in this world related to a person's sex, and im sure you know which sex carries the greater burden there. So genuinely, do you think stopping women joking about their husbands is the best place to start improving the world?

I do know about inequality. I don't know what is the best place to start addressing it. I do know the double standards when I see them. One standard for girlfriends and co-workers. Another standard for husbands and male partners

OP posts:
roses321 · 18/01/2024 15:10

Kosenrufugirl · 18/01/2024 13:59

I didn't mean to come across preaching from the high ground. Someone was making a dig about my dysfunctional childhood. Dysfunctional it was with domestic violence, substance abuse and poverty. I was lucky to have met my husband who had the patient of a saint to stay with me and help me grow into a better human being. I now have 2 sons growing up. I want them to grow into the world as it should be, not the world as it is (I stole this phrase from someone famous).

Well you are telling a lot of people you don't "mean" to do things so here's the first lesson for you to teach your children: Think before you speak, and be accountable for what you say when you do.

Secondly, if you're on here posting this kind of stuff then what are your SONS learning about how to treat women at home? Go and look at DV statistics against women vs those against men and the messages society sends to men. Those messages are WHY dv happens and men are entitled enough to act that way.

I find it interesting that you're crediting your husband as helping you grow into a better human being rather than taking responsibility for growing yourself into a better human being.

As someone else said, if you want to do the surrendered wife/red pill thing that's fine, just please don't come here preaching about it and turning something that was a harmless story into "oh it's a national sport".

Know what is a national sport? Putting women down, objectifying women, taking away womens choices. The list goes on.

Having said that, there certainly are valid complaints from men regarding women (and they do speak about them on THEIR forums).

What really boils my butt though is this:

Firstly you come here shaming another woman for a choice she's made about HER relationship.
Secondly you liken it to a "national" sport
Thirdly you do it on a womens forum full of posts from women dealing with f'ing awful situations that some are basically trapped in and can't get out of without risking their lives or financial stability let alone their mental health and that of their children.

And that's all ok apparently because you're fine, and your husband has "made you a better person" so why can't everyone else just get with the program and stop slagging men off.

As for your dysfunctional childhood, I'm truly sorry about that, however you and millions of others, you're not the only one who had a tough time so rather than choosing to post crap like this on a WOMENS forum which has its fair share women who had dysfunctional childhoods and are now with partners who continue to traumatise the shit out of them.

My polite advice is bog off to another forum with your preachy crap, i have zero tolerance for it.

User135644 · 18/01/2024 16:06

roses321 · 18/01/2024 13:46

I really love it when people who feel "better than" come onto forums to start bitching about womens complaints about men. It obviously bothered op and triggered her high and mighty attitude so much that she decided to take time out of looking down her nose at other women to come onto a forum of WOMEN - many of whom spend their time on here posting about cheating husbands, DV, misognistic behaviour and doing the entire share of the housework and child rearing - and post about how bitching about those poor men is turning into a "national sport".

Another national sport I despise is people who have never experienced all of the above like to take the apparent "high ground" whilst informing everyone about their perfectly adjusted children, successful career and long and happy marriage.

I agree that two wrongs do not make a right, but I also think that y'know what? Save it for the red pill forums please, they are out there and i'm sure they would welcome you with open arms.

Alternatively OP, perhaps you could EDUCATE yourself about the power imbalance between our genders historically...and in present day, before you decide that someone joking about THEIR husband on the radio is so utterly offensive to you that you have to come here bleating about it. It is a shame that you don't spend your time bleating about the things women go through at the hands of men.... but then again what would you know about any of that? Your life is perfect so I sincerely for the sake of your ego hope it stays that way. God only knows what the neighbours would say otherwise huh!

Anyone who systemically complains about their husband being a lazy shite, or whatever, is a bit of a self-own though. You married the fucker.

Alicewinn · 18/01/2024 16:18

Yawn....

AdamRyan · 18/01/2024 17:17

Roses321 Amazing post 👏

AdamRyan · 18/01/2024 17:20

User135644 · 18/01/2024 16:06

Anyone who systemically complains about their husband being a lazy shite, or whatever, is a bit of a self-own though. You married the fucker.

Nice bit of victim blaming there (and total lack of insight into how these relationships develop)

bringincrazyback · 18/01/2024 18:03

Misogyny is a term that describes acti9ns reflecting the ingrained prejudice against women in society. There is no such ingrained prejudice against men, therefore there is no such thing as misandry.
Fed up of men colonising womens issues and pretending they suffer the same things, just to shut us up. Just stop it.

Not the 'no such thing as misandry' thing again.

I disagree with you.

I'm a woman, btw. Just in case that wasn't clear.

AdamRyan · 18/01/2024 18:54

OK. What is your definition of misandry then? How does it manifest itself? How does it disadvantage men?

bringincrazyback · 18/01/2024 19:21

AdamRyan · 18/01/2024 18:54

OK. What is your definition of misandry then? How does it manifest itself? How does it disadvantage men?

I can sum all of that up by making a single observation: DV against men by women is also a thing. Except we're not allowed to acknowledge that on here, are we.

mathanxiety · 18/01/2024 19:25

Kosenrufugirl · 17/01/2024 17:07

That's exactly my thoughts on MsMando post ... 2 wrongs don't make 1 right. We all want to be respected regardless of sex, this is plain good manners. I am very disturbed that this kind of talk has now moved into mainstream culture.

You've never heard a dumb blonde joke then?

Never heard of Andrew Tate?

Or come across pornography?

Kosenrufugirl · 18/01/2024 19:29

mathanxiety · 18/01/2024 19:25

You've never heard a dumb blonde joke then?

Never heard of Andrew Tate?

Or come across pornography?

Shouldn't we women be trying to make the public discourse more civilised then? Or is it tit for tat, like in the children's playground?

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ElaineMBenes · 18/01/2024 19:36

DV against men by women is also a thing. Except we're not allowed to acknowledge that on here, are we.

You can acknowledge it but it's not really comparable to DV against women by men.
Women aren't killing men at a rate of at least two a week are they?

SmileyClare · 18/01/2024 19:38

Laughing about silly or annoying mistakes your husband has made vs Andrew Tate’s material is “tit for tat”? You can’t be serious.

Kosenrufugirl · 18/01/2024 19:43

SmileyClare · 18/01/2024 19:38

Laughing about silly or annoying mistakes your husband has made vs Andrew Tate’s material is “tit for tat”? You can’t be serious.

There are more than 50 shades of disrespect. One shade is disrespect is no better than other in my opinion

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Boomboom22 · 18/01/2024 19:43

I find your insistence that people should behave in a professional manner outside of work quite disturbing. In my experience much greater morale or in real life friendships develop when you can joke with each other. Pretending it's OK for a man to throw away his wife's shoes by mistake just feeds into the incompetence, it is funny but also so not funny that he did that. And it's sexism that means women are constantly making up for men's laziness at home. And it must be laziness or these errors would happen at work and they'd be sacked.

mathanxiety · 18/01/2024 19:45

Kosenrufugirl · 18/01/2024 19:29

Shouldn't we women be trying to make the public discourse more civilised then? Or is it tit for tat, like in the children's playground?

Lol, we women have been trying to make not only the discourse but also the actual terms on which we live our lives more civil since the year dot.

We got every right and freedom we currently enjoy by fighting for it tooth and nail. Rhere are millions and millions of women and girls all over the world currently living under the heel of the oppressor.

We are reviled if we appear weak and we are reviled if we appear strong. The only difference between the outcome of each stance is that strength carries us forward and being nice gets us walked on.

PaintedEgg · 18/01/2024 19:45

@ElaineMBenes in the same way misandry is not comparable in its severity to misogyny - but it does exist, although mostly on the "bit rude, innit" level

(saying this as someone frequently accused of misandry by AngryMenOnline crowd)

CurlewKate · 18/01/2024 19:46

@bringincrazyback "I can sum all of that up by making a single observation: DV against men by women is also a thing. Except we're not allowed to acknowledge that on here, are we"

Yes, we are.

5128gap · 18/01/2024 19:46

bringincrazyback · 18/01/2024 19:21

I can sum all of that up by making a single observation: DV against men by women is also a thing. Except we're not allowed to acknowledge that on here, are we.

Of course we're allowed to acknowledge its a thing. But just like misandry and misogyny, DV against men and DV against women are not the same thing with the sexes reversed. When men interrupt discussion about VAWG to remind us men are victims too, it often appears to be an attempt to divert attention from the subject at hand and centre themselves as victims, peddling a falsehood that its an issue equally impacting both sexes. Men are perfectly welcome to start threads discussing DV against men. Its when it's used as a counter balance to women experiencing DV that it's often given short shrift.

SmileyClare · 18/01/2024 19:46

Was there something in my manner or instructions that you found objectionable and caused you to ignore me?

This is your example of how you’d react if your husband threw your favourite designer shoes away? Ok it was a mistake but pretty thoughtless. You’d immediately suggest it was your fault?

You do seem to be a bit brainwashed by corporate speak and obsessed with being non confrontational and “civil” with your partner. It all sounds oddly formal and emotionless.

MrsTerryPratchett · 18/01/2024 19:50

That's exactly my thoughts on MsMando post ... 2 wrongs don't make 1 right

If women sweetly ask for equality, and men strive for, and are used to, inequality, if you average those, guess what? Women are still not equal.

RBG was asked how many women on the Supreme Court was enough. She answered 'all of them'. Because men have had all male Courts. If women want half, we get a quarter, grudgingly.

MrsTerryPratchett · 18/01/2024 19:51

My DH is brilliant though. Unlike so many lazy, workshy, tight, hobby obsessed, shit at sex but demanding men women on here are married to.

Kosenrufugirl · 18/01/2024 19:56

SmileyClare · 18/01/2024 19:46

Was there something in my manner or instructions that you found objectionable and caused you to ignore me?

This is your example of how you’d react if your husband threw your favourite designer shoes away? Ok it was a mistake but pretty thoughtless. You’d immediately suggest it was your fault?

You do seem to be a bit brainwashed by corporate speak and obsessed with being non confrontational and “civil” with your partner. It all sounds oddly formal and emotionless.

I wouldn't dream putting my husband down at the dinner party. Even if he had thrown away my favourite pair of shoes. Shoes are replaceable. Husband's love and affection not so easily so

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livelovelough24 · 18/01/2024 19:59

This thread is hilarious, thank you OP and thank you to all the posters who responded. You just made my day. 😂😂 I do not think I can add much more but I think that perhaps we are all taking this too seriously.

OP don’t you think that there is a possibility that the radio host made the whole thing up? Her husband never did this but she created is as a starting point for a great show. I personally never trust anything I hear on radio or TV to be the actual truth. She may not even have a husband for all we know. Perhaps she heard it or read it somewhere and thought she should bring it up.

Secondly, OP do you ever watch/listen to stand up comedy? Most times they are offending someone and I have to admit, it is sometimes really hard to take, but then, I remember, that is the whole point of it, no, to create controversy.