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Suspicions about DH - am I being paranoid?

463 replies

winterrabbit · 12/01/2024 12:04

DH and I have been together for 12 years, married for 7 and have 1 child together and 2 older kids each from previous marriages. We've had ups and downs but overall we have a fairly passionate relationship (sex a few times a week) and I think love each other. DH has a very flexible teaching (at university) job, however, nearly every Friday morning he claims he has a meeting and disappears from around 9.30 to 2pm when he resurfaces. It could be completely innocent but he never checks his phone during that time (I can see from whatsapp) and goes every week even out of term time when there are no lectures. He's always quite vague when I ask him where he is doing and says it's a meeting to do with his research group (which I know exists) but I am still suspicious as it's always Friday mornings and he is always completely offline. By way of background, DH's had a long affair with another woman during his last marriage who was a student (a mature student) at his uni which is raising my suspicions. I did try to pin him down about the meetings once but he got angry that I was suspicious and said I had no reason to be. What do I do? Let is go?

OP posts:
mindutopia · 01/03/2024 16:19

Is he not just busy with work when he's in the office? I said this before, but I have a similar sort of university role and if I'm in the office, except when I'm commuting, I'm not on my phone. I'd be pretty irritated with dh if he was checking to see when I'm on WhatsApp just because I've left home and gone into the office to work.

Or maybe he's changed around his working pattern, so actually has Fridays off (very common in academia), but doesn't want to tell you because you might get weird about it, so he uses that day to do something he enjoys instead since he has the time - goes to the gym, is taking a course in something, a long walk and a swim, the possibilities are endless. I've changed my hours around lately, but not mentioned it to dh, simply because it doesn't really impact on him - I still do the same childcare/school runs/whatever as always, but it means I've freed up time for other interests during the day.

Duh · 01/03/2024 18:36

I think it’s private detective time OP

PinkEasterbunny · 01/03/2024 19:19

Duh · 01/03/2024 18:36

I think it’s private detective time OP

I have no better suggestions

OhwhyOY · 01/03/2024 19:48

If you're still this obsessed get a private investigator and be done with it.

TheSlantedOwl · 01/03/2024 20:19

He’s a known cheat. An admitted cheat. And even though he knows you know that about him, he’s aggressively denying he’s doing anything suspicious and trying to make you feel like shit for your suspicions/insecurities.

Despite this probable affair he sounds like an arsehole anyway OP. Sorry.

NotNowGertrude · 01/03/2024 20:47

You need to take some action as the suspicions aren't going away

Tbh it all sounds very strange but I think you are right to not trust someone who has cheated in a major relationship

The lack of reassurance isn't helping

FairyMaclary · 02/03/2024 06:56

This is a bit waffly as it’s early!
Op remember you can leave him for any reason. His anger at you asking him to reassure you is even a reason. I think if someone gets defensive they need to explore why. It may be because he hates what he did to his wife before. It may be because he hates being accused. It may because he’s getting laid every Friday in his office. It may be because he feels he deserves 100% trust from you. Who knows.

The fact you are now older and wiser and have recognised lying to his ex wife for a year is poor behaviour and you no longer want your life tied up with a poor quality individual. Is a reason to not be together.

Sometimes when you really think about a persons past behaviour you see them in a different light and then you can’t unsee it. As we mature I think things we once saw as acceptable become deal breakers.

You changing your view on his previous behaviour is okay. It’s reason to leave if you want.

From his perspective this is why cheating isn’t a great idea. If he is now an honest citizen his cheating has cast doubts. However as I said upthread if he never did the work to discover how he could choose to emotionally abuse his wife for over a year then he’s not someone I would want to spend my one precious life with. I don’t think he ever did the work.

‘Why wouldn’t you cheat?’ To me ‘because I love you’ isn’t a great answer. So what about the the days you don’t love me (hell I am really annoying at times, I really suck at certain things)? Because in a long marriage I am going to face many a challenge. I don't want a fair weather spouse. Being honest is being a bare minimum spouse in my opinion.

I don’t cheat for me. Not my husband (he’s annoying at times). I chose to commit, I chose my vows (I wrote them myself in fact 😁), I stood up willingly in front of my family and said them. My words meant something to me. If my word is meaningless then who am I? Loyalty, honesty and integrity are important to ME. My husband is my collateral damage. But I’m doing it all for me. I matter to me. I look at myself in the mirror and liking what I see is important to me. My husband is the collateral damage to my choices.

He may be fun, sexy, intelligent. You may love him. But love is not enough. Core values matter.

His ex wife will have been told, you are better off without him, he’ll never change, etc etc. She may have blamed herself (unmet needs), her self esteem may have been damaged, she may have thought he was happy and having fun while she was destroyed. She is likely to have thought his new life will be great with his affair partner, that the AP will change him etc while she picked up the pieces.

Yet here is is, has he changed, did he do the work or was she better off without him?

Op if he’s a sneaky cheater he will have learnt his lesson from before. If I wanted to be a sneaky cheater I could be very easily (leave NO written trace - you can deny then). If I was a sneaky cheater and the AP was a colleague do it at work, and make sure they have just as much to lose. Hell don’t date a single lady - too risky as he found out. School boy error there. He trusted his biggest secret with a woman who he apparently didn’t know at all - she told his wife - another school boy error! Sometimes cheaters are shocked ‘I never thought the ow would do that’ - the irony. They are often upset at being lied to or deceived. An example of the odd values and twisted logic of the common garden cheat.

I won’t cheat on my husband but it’s not because I’m not capable, I just choose not to.

Read how to help my spouse heal from my affair. Maybe don’t let him see. Also not just friends by Shirley glass. And also cheating in a nutshell.
Read Gottmans seven principles of making marriage work. And his 8 dates book. Read them - you may want to share the last one with him as a talking point. Mark Manson is good and has YouTube videos (I get some find him a bit much but I like him). Consciously decide what marriage you want.

Then decide if you are happy with your marriage. I’m not happy and i can be happier elsewhere is okay. As is I’m not prepared to be with you anymore I’m not comfortable with your values. This is what I see as ‘growing apart’.

Pinkie89 · 02/03/2024 08:00

winterrabbit · 01/03/2024 15:58

Well both really. It's the only time he is offline for literally the whole day. Every other day he seems to check his messages every few hours. He has not been online since 9.33. Maybe I'm on my phone too much but I find it really odd.

Just follow him and get to the bottom of it or leave it be and move on.

Onelifeonly · 02/03/2024 08:30

Whatever he's doing and for whatever reason he turns his phone off, he is not being honest with you. It's a cheap trick to get angry when accused. A loving spouse with nothing to hide would try to allay your suspicions. I couldn't be with someone I didn't trust. If you're not happy, plan your exit. You don't need 'proof'. If you don't leave, you have to accept you're never going to be able to fully trust him.

MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 02/03/2024 09:04

I also think PI time. I couldn’t live like this-you will make yourself unwell. You need to know the truth.

Theoldbird · 02/03/2024 10:16

Have you not confronted/followed him yet?

I would find his secrecy around the meetings very strange. does he ever speak about his work or these research meetings?

Polis · 02/03/2024 15:47

What prompted this thread revival?

PinkEasterbunny · 02/03/2024 18:11

Polis · 02/03/2024 15:47

What prompted this thread revival?

I think the OP posted an update?

Polis · 02/03/2024 19:31

PinkEasterbunny · 02/03/2024 18:11

I think the OP posted an update?

Thanks. She did. I don’t know how I missed that.

BigAnne · 02/03/2024 19:59

winterrabbit · 12/01/2024 12:04

DH and I have been together for 12 years, married for 7 and have 1 child together and 2 older kids each from previous marriages. We've had ups and downs but overall we have a fairly passionate relationship (sex a few times a week) and I think love each other. DH has a very flexible teaching (at university) job, however, nearly every Friday morning he claims he has a meeting and disappears from around 9.30 to 2pm when he resurfaces. It could be completely innocent but he never checks his phone during that time (I can see from whatsapp) and goes every week even out of term time when there are no lectures. He's always quite vague when I ask him where he is doing and says it's a meeting to do with his research group (which I know exists) but I am still suspicious as it's always Friday mornings and he is always completely offline. By way of background, DH's had a long affair with another woman during his last marriage who was a student (a mature student) at his uni which is raising my suspicions. I did try to pin him down about the meetings once but he got angry that I was suspicious and said I had no reason to be. What do I do? Let is go?

Sorry op but no matter what you're never going to trust your husband. I can relate to this. It's a horrible way to live your life.

Pippa246 · 02/03/2024 20:04

@winterrabbit you keep saying he’s completely offline but in reality, he’s just not using WhatsApp. He could still be communicating via text and email, Teams, zoom etc- legitimately. That’s what I’d be doing in a professional capacity ie using work email. I’ve never worked anywhere where whatsapp was encouraged for work purposes.

winterrabbit · 04/03/2024 11:36

Pippa246 · 02/03/2024 20:04

@winterrabbit you keep saying he’s completely offline but in reality, he’s just not using WhatsApp. He could still be communicating via text and email, Teams, zoom etc- legitimately. That’s what I’d be doing in a professional capacity ie using work email. I’ve never worked anywhere where whatsapp was encouraged for work purposes.

He definitely does use WhatsApp for work as I have seen him on it at home and he explains he uses it at work too which I find really odd especially as his colleagues often seem to message him out of hours on it. I could hire a PI but all I am likely to find out is if he is doing into work or somewhere else. There are a million other nuances I won't be able to find out, e.g. is there a colleague he is interested in who is also around on Fridays. Is anything is going on I would think it's more likely to be that although I could be wrong. Not sure it's worth it.

As others have said, I think it comes down to the fact that I don't trust him. His past behaviour is a major factor but his current lack of transparency and odd behaviour really doesn't help so if I am suspicious it's his fault. If he knows I am worried he could easily send a text once or twice on a Friday. Easy. I have noticed as well that there is a lack of transparency over other stuff, e.g. arrangements with DSC where he never tells me anything until the last minute when he absolutely has to. He seems to enjoy not giving me information/keeping me in the dark about his plans. I'm sure it's a control issue.

OP posts:
PinkEasterbunny · 04/03/2024 13:11

As others have said, I think it comes down to the fact that I don't trust him. His past behaviour is a major factor but his current lack of transparency and odd behaviour really doesn't help so if I am suspicious it's his fault. If he knows I am worried he could easily send a text once or twice on a Friday. Easy. I have noticed as well that there is a lack of transparency over other stuff, e.g. arrangements with DSC where he never tells me anything until the last minute when he absolutely has to. He seems to enjoy not giving me information/keeping me in the dark about his plans. I'm sure it's a control issue.

So possibly two issues here (neither of them mean he's having an affair). I can understand why you don't trust him. He's done it before so of course you're cautious. Then the lack of transparency which could simply mean he doesn't think about communicating? My DH often forgets to tell me things til the 11th hour, no malice intended, he just doesn't think (which can be infuriating). Or maybe your DH is just inconsiderate? But this is not the same as having an affair.

You're right when you say a PI would only tell you where he's going, not what's going on in his head, and its definitely these nuances that are bothering you.

So only you can decide if you can get past this? Could you try, for just a short while, to ignore the issue? I'm not saying stick your head in the sand - any evidence should be acted upon, obviously, but in the absence of anything more than vague suspicions, I'm not sure what else you can do?

Patrickiscrazy · 04/03/2024 14:22

Sorry,
but cheating in the past, getting defensive, you not trusting him, private investigators ....
I would be done, passionate or not.
🙄

canttellyouwhereorwhatido · 05/03/2024 14:31

Marrying someone you know has cheated on their spouse is not an easy call to make. Unfortunately MN is very black and white in these matters and way way holier than thou.. whereas life just isn't like that .

DH was my affair partner 23 years ago. We were both simply married to the wrong people. Now we are all married to the right people for almost twice as long as our first marriages ..

Please don't let the 'he's cheated once he will cheat again ' brigade to feed your paranoia. Yes he could be cheating.. but it's got little to do with the fact he did it before . Personally you sound a bit loopy and paranoid.

I cheated once so did my DH. Neither have done it again. I am sure of that for myself and as sure as is possible for DH .

winterrabbit · 28/01/2025 14:01

Well, I came back for more advice as DH has starting going missing on certain mornings again and I notice this last happened nearly exactly a year ago. So, the Friday meetings stopped over the summer but have just started again but he is a bit more contactable. I can see he checks his WhatsApp once or twice between 9 and 2.30. A major suspicion arose today though as he casually dropped into conversation last night that all staff now have to go into the office 2 days per week (not sure why/how this applies to lecturers who have to be in for teaching anyway) and I just had a feeling at the time that he was saying it to prepare me for something. So off he goes today and has not been online (on WhatsApp) since 9.20. This is obviously not unusual in itself, however, every other day he is online on and off, without fail, even the day he has lectures. I am therefore back to being paranoid and do think I need to hire a PI but have a horrible feeling that I am not going to like what I find out.

On a separate matter, I have realised over this year (well I think I always knew but ignored it) that he is the type of man who is very impressed by attractive women. If we see someone attractive, DH will stare at them even if he knows I can see him, then deny it. It has happened several times and I have to hold back from saying anything but once on holiday it was so blatant that I couldn't help myself. We were in a restaurant in a really tight table/bench kind of set up and there was a striking lady sat next to me. DH literally turned his whole body to face her and couldn't stop looking past me at her. WFT do you do in those situations? So rude and disrespectful.

My dilemma now is to text him and say, WTF are you never online when you disappear on certain days OR to say nothing and hire a PI. As much as I want to, there is no point confronting him is there?

OP posts:
Duh · 28/01/2025 14:33

There isn’t any point in confronting him OP. You will just prepare him and disadvantage yourself.

I’m sorry to read your update. Is it even worth hitting a PI? Do you really want to be with someone who is so disrespectful and clearly untrustworthy.

FishMouse · 28/01/2025 14:49

Some people would be more worried that he's online constantly at all other times, it's not an automatic red flag that he's off line for a few hours at work is it? Maybe the WiFi goes off? His staring blatantly at other women is very creepy, I would hate it if my partner did that so obviously. It does point to him being a bit of a sleaze if he does that right under your nose.

WhatFreshHellisThese · 28/01/2025 15:06

I vote PI. You are unlikely to get much honesty from him l imagine and it will just make him aware you are onto him

Milkybarsareonmeeeee · 28/01/2025 15:09

@winterrabbit Kindly op you are here for advice ? You had loads the last time and didn’t do anything .
Your update about how creepy he is how sorry just leave him.
Sound alike he would cheat he clearly doesn’t have respect for women and not even his wife .

Before you get a p.i can you take time you decide what you want from this marriage . As things are do you what to stay married ? If he is cheating will you end things or remain with the man ?

I wouldn’t say anything about WhatsApp it’s very flimsy evidence . He will laugh it off by sounds of him.

Sadly I think your suspicions are right about your husband. .Tbh I thought you were right when you first posted.