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Suspicions about DH - am I being paranoid?

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winterrabbit · 12/01/2024 12:04

DH and I have been together for 12 years, married for 7 and have 1 child together and 2 older kids each from previous marriages. We've had ups and downs but overall we have a fairly passionate relationship (sex a few times a week) and I think love each other. DH has a very flexible teaching (at university) job, however, nearly every Friday morning he claims he has a meeting and disappears from around 9.30 to 2pm when he resurfaces. It could be completely innocent but he never checks his phone during that time (I can see from whatsapp) and goes every week even out of term time when there are no lectures. He's always quite vague when I ask him where he is doing and says it's a meeting to do with his research group (which I know exists) but I am still suspicious as it's always Friday mornings and he is always completely offline. By way of background, DH's had a long affair with another woman during his last marriage who was a student (a mature student) at his uni which is raising my suspicions. I did try to pin him down about the meetings once but he got angry that I was suspicious and said I had no reason to be. What do I do? Let is go?

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SecondChancesAtLife · 18/01/2024 15:32

Do you know any colleagues of his you could speak to and drop in conversation the weekly meetings?

I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s someone at the uni he’s meeting, not necessarily a SW. This happened to my dsis - her dh was conducting his affair with a professor at the uni he worked at. She found out by tracking his car and he eventually went to her house 🤷‍♀️. This is obviously tricky if he only gets the tube. I do think changing his clothes is very suss.

Towelrail · 18/01/2024 16:24

SecondChancesAtLife · 18/01/2024 15:32

Do you know any colleagues of his you could speak to and drop in conversation the weekly meetings?

I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s someone at the uni he’s meeting, not necessarily a SW. This happened to my dsis - her dh was conducting his affair with a professor at the uni he worked at. She found out by tracking his car and he eventually went to her house 🤷‍♀️. This is obviously tricky if he only gets the tube. I do think changing his clothes is very suss.

Universities don't work like this really. He might have 10 research teams he works with. I have colleagues in my department I never do research with.

BirthdayRainbow · 18/01/2024 17:19

Have you said, I feel like you are seeing someone you shouldn't or having an affair. Your actions and words are very suspicious. You get one chance to tell me the truth. Then shut up.

Polis · 18/01/2024 17:22

BirthdayRainbow · 18/01/2024 17:19

Have you said, I feel like you are seeing someone you shouldn't or having an affair. Your actions and words are very suspicious. You get one chance to tell me the truth. Then shut up.

What happens if the truth is he has a long research meeting every Friday morning?

AGoingConcern · 18/01/2024 17:47

I don't see any other signs of an affair but am just flummoxed as to why he always goes in on Friday mornings. No point asking him about it or for reassurance as I don't think I'll get it. The only thing that is going to reassure me if him not going or offering reassurance without being coerced into it.

OP, none of this is reasonable from you. You're putting him in an impossible position and it would be inappropriately controlling to expect him to stop his one regular half day per week at work based on unfounded suspicions.

I'd strongly recommend counseling either alone or as a couple before this lack of trust destroys your marriage.

Ramalangadingdong · 18/01/2024 18:07

SecondChancesAtLife · 18/01/2024 15:32

Do you know any colleagues of his you could speak to and drop in conversation the weekly meetings?

I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s someone at the uni he’s meeting, not necessarily a SW. This happened to my dsis - her dh was conducting his affair with a professor at the uni he worked at. She found out by tracking his car and he eventually went to her house 🤷‍♀️. This is obviously tricky if he only gets the tube. I do think changing his clothes is very suss.

How do we explain the sex with op beforehand and not showering after?

EarringsandLipstick · 18/01/2024 18:19

winterrabbit · 18/01/2024 11:35

Ok, so Friday tomorrow and already worried about whether DH will go into the office. I will be even more suspicious if he does as he has only been in one morning this week and has had a cold but is now saying he feels better which I'm sure is to ease his way into going into the office tomorrow. Trying to be level headed, I don't see any other signs of an affair but am just flummoxed as to why he always goes in on Friday mornings. No point asking him about it or for reassurance as I don't think I'll get it. The only thing that is going to reassure me if him not going or offering reassurance without being coerced into it.

Ah OP.

This is nuts. If you can't trust him, and he can't properly discuss his work life so you do, your relationship is over.

You have to talk to him. (Again, my advice).

BardRelic · 18/01/2024 18:51

BirthdayRainbow · 18/01/2024 17:19

Have you said, I feel like you are seeing someone you shouldn't or having an affair. Your actions and words are very suspicious. You get one chance to tell me the truth. Then shut up.

As @Polis said though, what if the truth is a long research meeting? Or just that he's having therapy and didn't want to admit it. Or he just wants a morning to himself. Or he's playing golf. It seems that the only thing the OP would believe, at this point, is if he said he was having an affair. And he might be. But he could also be doing any number of other things.

The fact that he goes into work every Friday morning really doesn't mean anything and isn't, in and of itself, suspicious. Which isn't to say he's innocent, just that the OP doesn't have any proof he's up to anything. She just doesn't trust him.

Notallmilsarebad · 18/01/2024 18:54

OP I work in research at a university and weekly face to face research meetings are the absolute norm. You’re being very controlling over this and I would be furious if my DH was acting like you are. I’m not sure why you’re so adamant that it has to be fabricated when many PPs have told you it’s the norm.

Phphion · 19/01/2024 00:02

Just to add, I quizzed him earlier as we were discussing his upcoming timetable for this term and he told me that all of Friday is going to be a very busy teaching day from 10-3.

According to your previous post, he has already told you that he is teaching on Fridays this term.

shepherdsangeldelight · 19/01/2024 07:28

Ramalangadingdong · 18/01/2024 18:07

How do we explain the sex with op beforehand and not showering after?

I don't think it's particularly odd for couples to have sex on a regular day, is it?
And, not everyone has the same standards of personal hygiene.

If he showered on every other day, but not Fridays, I would concede that was odd (but might err on the side of weird fetish rather than affair) but I'm assuming that this is not the case as OP would most definitely have mentioned it as there is so little for her to be suspicious of.

MadMadamMimz · 19/01/2024 08:20

winterrabbit · 18/01/2024 11:35

Ok, so Friday tomorrow and already worried about whether DH will go into the office. I will be even more suspicious if he does as he has only been in one morning this week and has had a cold but is now saying he feels better which I'm sure is to ease his way into going into the office tomorrow. Trying to be level headed, I don't see any other signs of an affair but am just flummoxed as to why he always goes in on Friday mornings. No point asking him about it or for reassurance as I don't think I'll get it. The only thing that is going to reassure me if him not going or offering reassurance without being coerced into it.

This is irrational. It is not unusual for people to have a weekly regular meeting and not answer their phones during it. I would consider it incredibly rude if someone answered their phone during a work meeting.

shepherdsangeldelight · 19/01/2024 08:28

winterrabbit · 18/01/2024 11:35

Ok, so Friday tomorrow and already worried about whether DH will go into the office. I will be even more suspicious if he does as he has only been in one morning this week and has had a cold but is now saying he feels better which I'm sure is to ease his way into going into the office tomorrow. Trying to be level headed, I don't see any other signs of an affair but am just flummoxed as to why he always goes in on Friday mornings. No point asking him about it or for reassurance as I don't think I'll get it. The only thing that is going to reassure me if him not going or offering reassurance without being coerced into it.

OP - read this back and think about it.
Your posts make it sound as though if he behaved exactly the same way but on a Tuesday and not a Friday, you would not think there was anything amiss.

I'm in the office today despite it being a Friday and my company having hybrid working. DH asked what I was doing today and I said "pretty quiet apart from a review meeting that will probably be really dull, I'll hopefully finish the document I've been working on". If he expected more "reassurance" than that, I would consider him very controlling.

Your DH has told you he has a heavy teaching schedule on Fridays this term (which is probably why he has gone in, potentially despite not being fully better) and sometimes has research meetings. For you to want any more "proof" is just paranoia speaking.

FairyMaclary · 19/01/2024 08:49

If he had ‘done the work’ and realised why he thought it was acceptable to cheat on his wife (break his own vows, disrespect himself, think it was acceptable to lie and sneak about). Then he would not be vague and annoyed and evasive.

His inability to empathise with his wife (who was cheated on previously) shows he hasn’t done the work to make himself a safe partner.

He knows it is bothering her. He knows why it’s bothering her (because he is a man who lies and breaks his own vows - his words are meaningless). He values his wants over his wife’s need for security and yet again he is doing this. His want to not talk about it over her need to feel secure in their marriage.

This is why I couldn’t date someone who had cheated on his wife. They are usually incapable of doing the work. Instead they say ‘we never had sex’ or ‘we were over anyway’ or ‘we were like room mates’ or ‘I don’t know how it happened it’s so out of character’ etc etc. If he blames his ex or his old marriage for him breaking his own vows he’s not a good partner. How can a marriage cause you to go against your own values - it’s nonsense. Steak every night, blowjob tuesdays and watching footy every Saturday doesn’t increase someone’s loyalty, integrity or honesty. He chose to cheat previously because HE WANTED TO. It wasn’t due to his ex wife not liking his jokes or the planets magically aligning over the OWS bed. He wanted to cheat and he gave himself permission to cheat. He has a BUT in his vows. I believe in monogomy BUT not if my wife and me are going through a rough patch.

He thought it was acceptable in certain situations. Unless he worked out why he gave himself permission and how to cope better in the future how does he know he won’t do it again. Saying I won’t cheat isn’t enough - he did that via a vow the first time round.

Op you need to decide if this man is who you want to spend your life with. I would look at his other characteristics. Does he lie about other things? Do his spoken values align with his actions? What work did he do post divorce?

He won’t give you a straight answer if you ask him. So you need to decide if you can live this way. I’d do some thinking and make sure you are in a position that you can leave if you chose to.

If I willingly chose to marry someone who had been cheated on, knowing their personality and fears. I (as someone who hasn’t cheated on their spouse) would FULLY understand this posters worries and I would do my best to appease her. Yes it would be annoying but assuming I love my spouse I’d do it for them. As I have nothing to hide.

Assuming I hadn’t married a paranoid accusatory person I would want my spouse to be okay.

He should be even more aware (if he’s done the work - which I doubt he has) and he would understand his previous actions have not helped his spouse worries.

FairyMaclary · 19/01/2024 09:06

Also Op how long have you been together?

How many times have you (Honestly) had this worry about him cheating? How many times have you asked him prior to the Friday thing?

Did you do reading/counselling post divorce? Do you understand you cannot make someone cheat. That unmet needs is nonsense. It’s daft to say well wife didn’t do x so the obvious solution to our marital issues was to have sex with someone else.

A person with integrity would a) book counselling/talk about it. B) put up with it c) visit a divorce lawyer. I cannot see how shagging about fixes a marriage and that illogical thought process is why he thought it was acceptable and the excuse, we were like room mates, is nonsense he fed himself to remain the hero in his story.

If you think unmet needs was an acceptable reason maybe do the reading or counselling now. Get your ship in order. Get yourself as healthy as possible so you can do the best for you. (Sack any counsellor who mentions unmet needs).

Was he with anyone when you started dating? Any crossover at all?

Does he lie about anything else? Telling his boss he is working whereas really he’s sloped off early. Or lies by omission. Do his spoken words and demonstrate values align?

If he’s a sneaky cheater (how did he get found out before) then you won’t find out. If it’s a colleague in her office every Friday am but they never speak during the week or communicate via text you may never find out unless he gets sacked or she tells you. You need to decide if he is someone you can live with. You only get one life, is he the best person to share it with?

Oakbeam · 19/01/2024 10:11

Does he lie about anything else? Telling his boss he is working whereas really he’s sloped off early.

He works in academia. As long as you get the job done nobody cares when you come and go. There are no set hours. Not in my experience anyway.

BirthdayRainbow · 19/01/2024 19:31

Maybe the question wouldn't work but I'd hope he'd reassure her or do something to show he's telling the truth.

Ramalangadingdong · 19/01/2024 20:07

shepherdsangeldelight · 19/01/2024 07:28

I don't think it's particularly odd for couples to have sex on a regular day, is it?
And, not everyone has the same standards of personal hygiene.

If he showered on every other day, but not Fridays, I would concede that was odd (but might err on the side of weird fetish rather than affair) but I'm assuming that this is not the case as OP would most definitely have mentioned it as there is so little for her to be suspicious of.

I think what I meant was that it’s weird to have sex with wife on the morning he is off to see his mistress (if he was having an affair). And also not to shower before meeting up with the so far fantasy woman.

MrsBrianMay · 20/01/2024 17:46

@FairyMaclary
Can you explain this unmet needs thing?

You post alot about cheating but gotta be honest you sound amateur. Alot of your views and advice are highly dubious. Soz.

Where is this concept from? Unmet needs?

What are you getting at here?

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DrNo007 · 20/01/2024 18:28

Yep don’t follow him yourself, use a private detective. This sort of thing is routine for them.

Whatwasthatshow · 12/02/2024 00:49

Hope you’re ok @winterrabbit x

winterrabbit · 01/03/2024 14:42

FairyMaclary · 19/01/2024 09:06

Also Op how long have you been together?

How many times have you (Honestly) had this worry about him cheating? How many times have you asked him prior to the Friday thing?

Did you do reading/counselling post divorce? Do you understand you cannot make someone cheat. That unmet needs is nonsense. It’s daft to say well wife didn’t do x so the obvious solution to our marital issues was to have sex with someone else.

A person with integrity would a) book counselling/talk about it. B) put up with it c) visit a divorce lawyer. I cannot see how shagging about fixes a marriage and that illogical thought process is why he thought it was acceptable and the excuse, we were like room mates, is nonsense he fed himself to remain the hero in his story.

If you think unmet needs was an acceptable reason maybe do the reading or counselling now. Get your ship in order. Get yourself as healthy as possible so you can do the best for you. (Sack any counsellor who mentions unmet needs).

Was he with anyone when you started dating? Any crossover at all?

Does he lie about anything else? Telling his boss he is working whereas really he’s sloped off early. Or lies by omission. Do his spoken words and demonstrate values align?

If he’s a sneaky cheater (how did he get found out before) then you won’t find out. If it’s a colleague in her office every Friday am but they never speak during the week or communicate via text you may never find out unless he gets sacked or she tells you. You need to decide if he is someone you can live with. You only get one life, is he the best person to share it with?

Thank you Fairy, very helpful. Makes scary reading. We've been together for 12 years and I have had doubts on and off basically because of his past and I know he is or can be a sneaky cheater as you put it. He had an affair for a year before his wife found out and that was apparently when the other woman called his wife to tell her. Nice. The affair continued for a year after that. We met only a few months after their relationship ended and I had massive doubts and insecurities over it and still do.

As for where we are now, after first posting this, I confronted him once and he got really angry and said I was crazy to think he was doing anything so I am not going to get the truth from him. For the last few Fridays he has gone into the office on Friday morning and is offline until around 4pm when he arrives home. I can see he hasn't been on whatsapp since 9.33 this morning. Same last week , in fact, last week he was off line from 9am on the Friday until Saturday lunchtime, although obviously he was home with me from around 4pm. He came back in the weirdest mood, really quiet and strange. I literally have no idea what is going on and it could all be in my head. I had the weirdest suspicion last week that he logs out of whataspp on Fridays and uses another messaging app but why would he do that? Otherwise, sex is normal, he is kind/shows affection so not really any other suspicions other than Fridays. What do I do?

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PinkEasterbunny · 01/03/2024 15:54

So its not the being at work on Friday that's the issue, but the not Whatsapping during Friday?

Sorry if this has been covered before, but what happens if you send him a message on a Friday, does he read it/and or respond?

winterrabbit · 01/03/2024 15:58

Well both really. It's the only time he is offline for literally the whole day. Every other day he seems to check his messages every few hours. He has not been online since 9.33. Maybe I'm on my phone too much but I find it really odd.

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