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Do all men cheat?

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Sundance03 · 06/11/2023 18:44

I see a lot of posts on MN about DH affairs and cheating. It makes me nervous... I don't think my DH has ever cheated.. at least that I know of. Am I very naive in thinking that there are men that do not cheat out there?

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Hamburger233 · 07/11/2023 15:37

I’m having a mind blowing affair

It's only mind blowing because of the dynamics and chemical processes of cheating. Affair fog and all that. Dopamine, adrenaline etc etc

You may as well be doing coke or gambling.
Same dynamics.

What are the consequences for you and your 'loved" ones if you get caught?

PinkPantherPrat · 07/11/2023 15:55

No

bonkersAlice · 07/11/2023 15:58

Men aren't cheating with other men !.

TrailingFig · 07/11/2023 16:10

bonkersAlice · 07/11/2023 15:58

Men aren't cheating with other men !.

Not usually, but I suspect you would be surprised at how many are

TrailingFig · 07/11/2023 16:16

DM & MiL were both widowed at 70 and neither were ever interested in finding anyone else so definitely not giving off any messages.

Both of them have had trouble with friends husbands, all in their late 70’s! It doesn’t ever bloody end does it.

They’ve both experienced their elderly male, married neighbours grabbing them in their own kitchens when their wives had sent them round to help.

I had to find an excuse to get both their keys back from these neighbours as neither felt safe in their own home.

ginasevern · 07/11/2023 16:40

The vast majority of men would cheat given the opportunity and if they thought they wouldn't get caught. Men are driven by sex and ego. They are socialised to be this way but, more importantly, evolution has created them thus. Their main function is to spread their seed and that means seeking out sex whenever, wherever the opportunity arises. They also have huge egos and each new conquest is a boost.

Marineboy67 · 07/11/2023 16:42

Of course all men don't cheat. I know I really wanted to after my ex cheated and had many opportunities to do so. I guess I wanted her to know the pain she'd caused! Just never did.

NotNormal78 · 07/11/2023 17:32

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Hamburger233 · 07/11/2023 18:05

Men are driven by sex and ego.

I'm a misandrist and even I have to challenge this.

Some men are driven by only sex and ego, others have other motivations as well, some are not egotistical, some are asexual/not sex driven.

Unfortunately the ego and sex driven ones seem to often rise to prominence - as leaders in our societies (and past societies) but that doesn't mean the others don't exist.

Lots of men I know are very very protective and nurturing towards their kids.... My late Dad was, my husband is of our DD. I know lots of men who would do anything for their kids, even adult ones. Many men are wired to be good parents (and good partners,) and of course they are; kids are more likely to survive and thrive with a second (usually larger and stronger) protector and provider. Couples pair bond. The Romans even commented on how much men in some tribes eg Celts in Europe cosseted and looked after their partners. So it's not even a "modern" thing.n

Anyway, they are not homogeneous.

Hamburger233 · 07/11/2023 18:19

evolution has created them thus

Evolution had created a serial monogamist, sneaky cheating species in us. Men and women.

But not all are sneaky cheaters. And even the sneaky cheaters are generally highly motivated to be in main, bonded relationships.

Oh and sneaky cheaters include women. The seed spreading... The equivalent for women is widening the gene pool by not having all her (highly risky) children by one man, and also getting perceived "alpha" genes for her kids (by a man who may not commit to her) while securing the resources of a steady, committed provider. Women are even attracted to different types /perceptions of men when ovulating and when not.

That's why a significant percentage of kids are not the offspring of the men who think they're his. There's an estimate of how many, I can't remember what but not a low numbe; and medical professionals were well aware of it before DNA testing due to things like blood types.

Sperm competition is also an indication that women have sex with multiple men around the same time, as is the size and shape of the penis. There is a correlation between size in primates abd the relative faithfulness of the females; humans have the largest proportionally, indicating evolutionaryily - not faithful females. Our DBA is closed to chimps and females will have sex with all unrelated males.

So it goes both ways. Women have always had to be the sneakiest of the cheaters because the penalties were alway much harsher for women; it's possible less women get caught.

PurpleBugz · 07/11/2023 21:10

Lots of men would cheat if the opportunity presented itself. Lots wouldn't because it's wrong. And lots are just to fucking lazy to cheat

AngryBird6122 · 07/11/2023 21:56

bonkersAlice · 07/11/2023 15:58

Men aren't cheating with other men !.

They are cheating with single women

MaxTalk · 07/11/2023 22:30

I think it is entirely understandable for people to cheat. Maybe not moral etc but entirely understandable.

Pastryapronsucks · 07/11/2023 22:44

SkinnyMalinkyLankyLegs · 06/11/2023 19:19

My ex partner of 12 years cheated. He was the person that no one would have thought of as being a cheat. He was always described as a good guy, lovely etc. I think the majority of men would if given a chance and the odds of getting caught were low. And if things weren't going swimmingly in the relationship.

My partner of 18 years cheated on me, I would have told you i was 100% certain he wouldn't cheat. No one could believe it. I was shocked to the core. 9 years later it still hurts.

RandomForest · 08/11/2023 00:01

Chamenangers · 07/11/2023 06:53

I’m having a mind blowing affair with a married man that nobody would guess would cheat.

He would have also told you that he would never cheat before the opportunity arose.

Yup all the signs are there, lack of remorse or regret, no fear of recriminations, going full pelt to the wind, you really have no reservations do you ?
Sounds like you partnered up and can't believe your luck.

I put money on it ending badly or you heart getting broken.

As for his comment, it sounds like he's been arround the block and has you fooled along with everyone else.

SkinnyMalinkyLankyLegs · 08/11/2023 03:53

Pastryapronsucks · 07/11/2023 22:44

My partner of 18 years cheated on me, I would have told you i was 100% certain he wouldn't cheat. No one could believe it. I was shocked to the core. 9 years later it still hurts.

It really shakes your faith in people, doesn't it? If this 'nice guy' treated me so horrendously then what hope is there for trusting anyone else again?

Susieb2023 · 08/11/2023 06:43

I do find these threads a little depressing. There’s a lot of ‘not my Nigel’ and a sprinkling of she must have known what he was like and it’s clear he ‘wasn’t happy’ but the truth is I’ve known of many affairs and some involve your sleazy it was obvious types. But many involved men who you’d have never thought would ever hurt their wife and their families. My husband really is this type, I am not lying as many women are on here, it was not in his nature at all AND everyone who knew him was utterly shocked.

They are your safe person, your confident, your best friend, your person who is too tired for ‘that sort of thing’, too uninterested, too unappealing to other women, have too much moral integrity.

Until they are not.

I truly believe that not all men cheat, but I think to deny entirely the possibility that yours might is potentially harmful. I honestly think because I was one of those, it hit me hard. I was utterly destroyed not just by what he did to me as a human being, as the person who trusted and loved him but by my own story falling down around me. My true love story that i’d built up and treasured was an utter lie, the way I viewed the world crumbled. I completely agree with a poster above who says we need to talk about the damage affairs do more, have open conversations, move away from the needs met narrative which has popped up on here (we can’t control another by loving them ‘just right’), stop presenting affairs as ‘star crossed lovers’ in the media, because the likelihood is they’re far from that.

I truly hope the posters on here are right about their husbands but I wish I’d not been so utterly naive myself, I remember repeatedly berating myself for being so stupid. If I hadn’t been so naive I think I might have navigated the whole thing better in those earlier days.

Again12 · 08/11/2023 06:52

Emotional cheating and micro cheating happen ALOT but physical cheating maybe less..

Cosycover · 08/11/2023 07:22

The ones who don't cheat have never had an opportunity imo. I think 99.9% would.

Thewookiemustgo · 08/11/2023 07:35

@Susieb2023 I think I’ve said before you could be me.

hologramvirus · 08/11/2023 07:41

Acornsoup · 07/11/2023 08:19

I doubt very much he has never cheated before.

This. @Chamenangers I also doubt you are the only woman he is cheating on right now.

hologramvirus · 08/11/2023 07:48

Susieb2023 · 08/11/2023 06:43

I do find these threads a little depressing. There’s a lot of ‘not my Nigel’ and a sprinkling of she must have known what he was like and it’s clear he ‘wasn’t happy’ but the truth is I’ve known of many affairs and some involve your sleazy it was obvious types. But many involved men who you’d have never thought would ever hurt their wife and their families. My husband really is this type, I am not lying as many women are on here, it was not in his nature at all AND everyone who knew him was utterly shocked.

They are your safe person, your confident, your best friend, your person who is too tired for ‘that sort of thing’, too uninterested, too unappealing to other women, have too much moral integrity.

Until they are not.

I truly believe that not all men cheat, but I think to deny entirely the possibility that yours might is potentially harmful. I honestly think because I was one of those, it hit me hard. I was utterly destroyed not just by what he did to me as a human being, as the person who trusted and loved him but by my own story falling down around me. My true love story that i’d built up and treasured was an utter lie, the way I viewed the world crumbled. I completely agree with a poster above who says we need to talk about the damage affairs do more, have open conversations, move away from the needs met narrative which has popped up on here (we can’t control another by loving them ‘just right’), stop presenting affairs as ‘star crossed lovers’ in the media, because the likelihood is they’re far from that.

I truly hope the posters on here are right about their husbands but I wish I’d not been so utterly naive myself, I remember repeatedly berating myself for being so stupid. If I hadn’t been so naive I think I might have navigated the whole thing better in those earlier days.

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This is exactly what happened to my friend. Exactly this. He didn’t just lie to his partner but to his and her friends, presenting himself as the good, loyal, devoted, best friend partner. A good man, kind, helpful, gently spoken. And yet. Was cheating with multiple women. Simultaneously. For many, many years. Long term affairs, short term affairs.

You really never can tell.

biscuit97 · 08/11/2023 07:48

Do all x do y? If there are 5 billion x and one of them does not do y then the answer is no.

Given that you are 100% sure your partner does not sleep around, what are the chances that your partner does actually sleep around?

Given that someone is an amazing parent why do we assume this someone is not sleeping around?

C1N1C · 08/11/2023 07:59

A lot of men cheat, but from MN and just general impressions, women are better at hiding it.

Women 'tend' to be more inquisitive, which means they're good at finding out stuff; are more social so they have better connections; and are more in tune with their emotions, so can pick up on all the nuanced changes in a man's behaviour. They're also (stereotypically) more likely to do washing, make the bed, manage finances etc, which means they're more likely to find the evidence too.

Obviously women cheat, otherwise there'd be no-one for men to go after... although I'd be curious whether the same demographic are sought by each sex. Men 'appear' to be largely indiscriminate- anyone that presents themself... women 'appear' to go after 'high quality' men, who are generally already taken? Women rarely cheat (from what I've observed) if they have a high-quality man on someone lesser... Men (Arnold Schwarzwenegger is a good example) can cheat on the hottest woman ever with the ugliest, just because she's 'there'.

NotNormal78 · 08/11/2023 08:58

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