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What do I do about dh's temper?

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stressedmummy · 18/12/2004 09:48

I have changed my name here, so that dh does not find out that I am starting a thread about him.
Basically I live with a man with a terrible temper & it is getting to the stage where I am not sure that I want to be with him any more.
He has never hit me, but he kicks things, throws things, smashes things & generally scares me to death when he gets very angry.
I have 2 ds's aged 5 & 20 mths who are also seeing Daddy acting like this when angry & I know it is not good for them.
Last year we nearly seperated because it was getting so bad that I was dreading coming home from work, because I knew what I was coming home 2.
This was also shortly after he had got angry about ds1 shouting out in his bed, yelled at him & then on charging down stairs fell down the bottom steps, resulting in him bounding back up the stairs & kicking the wicker basket in ds's bedroom, which obviously terrified my poor ds.
Anyway, he swore he would change & for a while he did seem to calm down.
He works long hours & I am often stressed, as I work & then have to come home & deal with the boys (which I am not doing very well at the moment)
He is very house proud & if he ever finds a bean or something on the floor he goes mad.
Anyway, yesterday he actually returned home early for once (4pm) & I had a friend round with her young children who were playing with my ds & making a little mess as children do!
When they left, dh went mad about the state of the place.
He first started shouting out "for fu*k sake"
because he could not find one of the bin bag holders.
He then came in & discovered that a ball had fallen from the christmas tree & got really angry throwing the ball hard on the floor, resulting in it shattering to pieces.
He shouted "Get upstairs NOW" to the children & then started to throw all the presents around.
I followed the children upstairs & ds1 said " Daddy was not very nice to me then"
I spent ages crying & wandering what I should do after, but dh does not think he was wrong & said that if the ball was not on the floor & the house was not a mess it would not have happened.
I just don't know what to do for the best for my children.

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stressedmummy · 22/12/2004 15:39

Sorry, I didn't read all the messages.
W&r, I worry that I could not afford to pay the mortgage & all the bills myself.
Yes he does have a mobile phone btw.

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stressedmummy · 22/12/2004 15:51

Iknow it is cruel to leave a child in their room all day & I told him so during our talk on Sunday.
The best of it was that when he last did this he went to his friends house all day, so I was prisinor in the home too.
I actually rebelled that time & let him out of bed in the afternoon to go to the cinema with my Mum, as I thought he had been punished enough.
H was angry when he got home & refused to take me shopping the following day as a punishment.
I felt like he was treating me like a naughty little girl!
Anyway, I really must start this tidying now, before he returns.

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IwigitcouldbeXmaseveryday · 22/12/2004 15:51

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mishmish · 22/12/2004 18:45

Dear stressedmummy, I'm sorry I made you cry, I didn't mean to, I just wish you the peace and happiness you deserve. Please don't ever call yourself pathetic, you are dealing with more than most of us will ever face and you are communicating so clearly about it - how can that be pathetic? I bet your boys are lovely. You'd be welcome at our house anytime for hundreds of muffins and millions of crumbs. You are getting some great advice here and wig&robe is showing you a path. Good luck and strength for your new year and new life xxx

PocketTinsel · 23/12/2004 01:34

StressedMummy - first of all {{{hugs}}}, i really hope you realise that you have already come a very long way. Have a long think about the woman you used to be ... And the woman you want to be... Forget what this evil man has done to you, just use what you have learned to make you stronger. I can't remember who but someone has already said, don't worry about your sons growing up away from their Dad, he is clearly no good for them. This is the decision i had to make. I didn't want my son to grow up in a family were this behavior, smashed doors and hours of mummy crying, was considered normal. You know somewhere in your heart that you do deserve better, but you need to really believe it, i can see that. I can understand your reluctance to throw him out, it's far scarier than taking the kids and packing your own bags. Taking control of yourself and children is one step, taking control of him... well i can understand fully why you find this much harder. But the facts are there and w&r is right to say that legally, all is in your favour. You talk about finding the strength to leave, a feeling i know too well. It's very difficult to learn to think for yourself when you have been doing every thing to keep this man "stable" for years. I worked as a childminder when i separated from my xp. So he HAD to be the one to go. Because i worked at home. He used to get really angry if there were still any children there when he got home, he'd ignore them even their parents and go upstairs, then ignore me all night. Then when he did speak he'd say that i couldn't do my job properly because the children should be gone and toys tidied away when he got home and "what's for dinner". I made excuses for his behaviour all the time. That first time i was alone I spent a night and a day crying. Then, next day, took control again. Beleive me when you do this it will feel amazing! i spent the next month doing all the thing I liked. Took Ds to see so many relatives, caught up with my friends, i even enjoyed the food shopping! The feeling of walking into the supermarket and thinkng "RIGHT! What do I fancey?!" where as before it was all about what HE liked. My point is that i started to remember who i was, and my life totally changed. I can't wait for you to know how this feels SM. Independence, freedom, it really feels like an awakening of some kind. You deserve to have this. It is a hard road but, while being realistic, you need to focus on what's good about it.
The facts are that you will never be out on the street. Between benefits and housing (if it does come to this) you WILL have a roof over your and your sons heads. I'm going to make a suggestion, Anorak was right to say plan plan plan. Make a list (keep it safe), do:

:Calculations of your earnings
:How much help you'll be intitaled to
:A list of temporary places to stay (unless you can get him to go)
:Sources that can help you

You can contact a lone parent advisor at your job centre, (not to be under-estimated). Some one else also said "arm yourself with information". That is exactly what i mean. I used to write countless lists on my finances and look up information for lone parents, until i finally convinced myself that i could cope.

And MN will always be here for you.
I know iv'e gone on... I just listen to you and hear myself a few years ago...
Chat about old times with friends from before H was in your life. It might help to remind you of who your are, help you to get that strength you need. once again {{{hugs}}}.
You have already made your choice, all you need to do now is prepare. .

soapboxingday · 23/12/2004 12:50

Tinsel - just wanted to say that your post was lovely

Are you ok today sm???

Christmaslistmaker · 23/12/2004 13:03

Haven't read all this thread but some of it is making me cry (bit embarrassing at work!). I can't believe he makes a 5 year stay in his room ALL day - that is just awful.

My exp wasn't anything like as abusive as your's stressedmummy but I do identify with the feelings of freedom and independence Tinsel so beautifully explained. I remember saying after he had gone that I was becoming 'my old self' again - I had felt like I was a dimmed version of myself. It really is the most liberating feeling.

You really will cope and things will seem so much better eventually.

Do it for yourself and as someone else said keep telling yourself that you really do deserve so much better, that that is not love and that a proper loving relationship is something so different to what you are in. And do it for your sons. They deserve so much more.

Good luck and massive hugs!

stressedmummy · 23/12/2004 13:18

Thankyou for your lovely post pt
The situation that you were in does sound very similar to my life right now.
My dh has never been to 1 of my ds's birthday parties, as he does not like the thought of being around loads of kids, but he expects the house to be immaculate when he returns home.
I don't really talk to many people in rl about my situation, as most of the people are friends of us both, or of the opinion that dh is a good bloke.
Today I am tierd, because ds2 woke up at 4am covered in sick, so I was sorting out him & his bedding in the early hours.
He has had a chesty cold & I think that (along with a few 2 many chocolates b4 bedtime!) caused him to be sick.
I have been to the gp with him this morning, incase it was an infection & have been told his ears & chest are fine but he has a sore throat.
I have some antibiotics for him, so hopefully he should perk up for Christmas.
Dh is not impressed because his hair still smells of sick (I have washed it twice)
He is not in right now, but has been less angry than yesterday, when he described the house as a sh*t hole.

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IwigitcouldbeXmaseveryday · 23/12/2004 13:37

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stressedmummy · 23/12/2004 13:43

Thankyou, you are all so kind.
You are very clued up in all this w&r.
What do you do as a job?
Apolagies if you have already explained this.

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leglepartridge · 23/12/2004 14:01

Tinsel, your post has just made me cry. You are so brave to have rebuilt your life. a thousand congratulations and have a very merry xmas. stressed mummy - I feel so much for you and your babies. I might be totally wrong but I'm sensing despite all the advice you aren't quite convinced he's past the point of redemption. If that is the case and you have some way left to go before reaching that decision, I wish you all the luck in the world. don't let him do this to you SM, don't let him make you so miserable. You and your babies have the right to make mess, to laugh loudly, and to live without fear. Lots of love and all the best at xmas xxx

anorak · 23/12/2004 14:13

Hi stressedmummy. wig is an expert in family law so you can have great confidence in her advice.

Of course your friends all think h is a good bloke. He'd cut them out of your life in a second if they didn't. My ex was fantastic at playing the role of life and soul of the party. Any of my friends who had the insight to see further than his act were swiftly excluded. Most of the time when I wanted to see friends and family he didn't want to be involved (sound familiar?) I remember at one stage I couldn't remember the last time all 4 of us had done anything together as a family, or all been in the car together.

stressedmummy · 23/12/2004 14:41

Sounds very familiar anorak.
If we go shopping, we always seperate & meet up later, he would not entertain the idea of going to one of those kiddie fun places (unless to drop me off!) & has said that if we get ds2 christened, we are not having a party after.

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aloha · 23/12/2004 14:42

Please, please make the moves to get this awful bully out of your life. He is abusing his kids by making them live in fear - a whole day in his room? It's just plain wicked, evil and cruel. It's abusive. And he is forcing you to collaborate in treating your own children in this vile way - so they have nobody to defend them. He won't stop, so it has to be you. Don't ask them if they want to live without dad. It's unfair. They are FAR too young for that. You don't ask them if they want to go to school etc, you do stuff for their welfare. He has to get out. He's destroying all your lives.

anorak · 23/12/2004 14:48

Hear hear aloha.

stressedmummy · 23/12/2004 14:54

He thinks that I am not strict enough with the children & that is why they do as they are told for him but not me.
I told him that sticking him in his room all day is not acceptable, when we had the BIG talk on Sunday.
I would not normally say anything to the children & try & hide the fact that I am crying, so not to upset & worry them.
The time I said that to ds1, I was so distressed at seeing my ds so scared that I wasn't thinking straight & said that, while I was comforting him.
I know it was not the right thing to say.

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aloha · 23/12/2004 14:59

Honestly, SM, I'm not blaming you here. It's not your fault, SM, it's HIS fault. You are a victim along with your kids...but only you can get them out of this situation. Good luck

ElectricBlue · 25/12/2004 21:49

SM, thanks for your post on my thread. I've just read most of this thread + also looked at W&Rs advice which I've cut and pasted for future use. It's good that you're going to make a plan soon. Now my marriage is over I'm really OK and feeling relieved. He's cooled down since making it public to his family.

If I'd ended it done it 3-4 years ago it wouldn't have worked because my dreams were still invested in him, I might have had lots of regrets. It's often when it's completely unbearable and hopeless that women act and I finally snapped. There is a wonderful clarity that has come with it, I feel reckless, penniless but I've got my wings back, and now I can remember that I have hopes, dreams and ambitions. I know you are suffering and you sound very distressed but you don't sound ready to go yet, because you have real worries about consequences, money, security, and the things that you consider to be your shortcomings. It is very scary, but case histories show that women in the most appalling conditions have made a new start and we will too. When you cannot take another minute of it you will leave and no one can hurry you, it will be your decision.

Do you keep notes of his behaviour/incidents? I have always done this. There have been about 20 harming incidents towards me and numerous bullying/destructive incidents. I kept notes for several reasons, (1) my mind always erases things that are too painful to remember (my notes read like someone else's diary, not mine) and, (2) Reading back the notes gives me great resolve that I'm doing the right thing. Instead of remembering the good times and hoping for change, letting my mind play tricks that he is not so bad really, it reminds me how bad it really is, how it always will be, how weak he is and how he will never change. If you do make notes, do it quickly when you are still emotional and remember all the details, it will help your resolve if you capture your feelings. Sorry if this sounds negative but you might also need the notes one day for legal reasons if there was an extreme incident.

Start making your notes and plans soon. Good Luck.

stressedmummy · 26/12/2004 08:17

Thanks for your post eb.
Writing down incidents is a good idea, because like you say, you feel very bitter when they are being nasty & then think that they are not so bad when they are nice again.
I think I will start doing that.
Even yesterday he was growling at me on & off throughout the day for various things.
I told him to calm down because it was Christmas & he told me that it was difficult to, with a wife like me.
Later though, he handed me a £500 necklace & said it was for putting up with him!
Well done to you for getting the courage to improve your situation.
I hope you enjoy your new peacefull life.

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WideWebWitch · 26/12/2004 09:26

Stressedmummy, I do hope you find the courage to leave.

PocketTinsel · 28/12/2004 21:10

Hi SM, I hope christmas was good for you and your kids. How are your feeling now? If i don't get back here before then i hope the new year brings some clarity for you. Remember how strong you really are! {{{hugs}}}.

stressedmummy · 29/12/2004 18:34

Have just seen your post pt.
I was moaned at at various times over Christmas day & when I asked him to cheer up because it was Christmas day, he answered that it was not easy to cheer up with a wife like me!
I can't really remember what I had done to annoy him.
Anyway, he later presented me with a very expensive gift & told me that it was for putting up with him.
He obviously realises that he is a nightmare to live with & feels that he can make up 4 it with expensive gifts.
He returned to work on boxing day, so I did not see much of him then & is at work until 9pm tonight.
I am feeling strangly tierd at the moment, but am panicing, because I had a friend round today, with a very active 2 year old, who has run into our Christmas tree & pulled down the ribbon, along with a ball.
I have tried, but can't get the tree looking exactually how it was, so know that he will not be happy when he returns home.
I am going to see how things go in the new year & if they do not improve I will be forced to think very hard about us seperating.
Thankyou for your concern, I don't know what I would have done without all your support over the last few weeks

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aloha · 29/12/2004 18:37

SM - your husband is mad. Have you seen Sleeping With The Enemy? He's a loony, and a dangerous one at that. You are 'panicking' because your Christmas tree looks slightly different? What kind of life is that? Who can live like this? You have got to get this lunatic out of your life so you can breathe again. I am absolutely staggered that you have this psycho in your life.... I cannot begin to imagine what your life is like. He's a nutter. Get him out. Please!

stressedmummy · 29/12/2004 18:43

It looks a lot different, because I am not very good at arranging beads & lights on a tree atall.
I shouldn't be panicing, but the reason that he smashed the last ball on the floor & scared us was because he thought I had not watched the children well enough around the tree.

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aloha · 29/12/2004 18:48

A bit different or a lot different...it makes NO difference. It is NOT normal to feel panicky because of a bloody Christmas tree. If I knocked my tree over so I broke every single ornament and light and half the furniture in my house I would be mightily pissed off, but I certainly wouldn't be panicking about what my husband might say or do. I don't think you realise how crazy this man is and how bizarre and abnormal your life has become because of his insane and psychopathic behaviour. He really is a nutter and a very frightening one. You and your children shouldn't have to live like this. You shouldn't be afraid of your husband.