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Why is she shaming me? So upset

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Aarrrgghh · 23/10/2023 18:41

I have a sister and we are very different, I wear my heart on my sleeve and she's a bit more aloof but we are quite close. However she's done something that really upset me and I'm feeling very hurt and angry.

We were away for a few days to visit relatives and were staying in a hotel. On the second morning she seemed grumpy when I got up and I asked her what was wrong, she said nothing but I knew something was up do asked again. She said I wouldn't want to know, I said of course I would, and she went on to tell me I'd been snoring my head off the last two nights and she's had very little sleep.

I got really upset, it's no like I can help it and it felt like a really mean thing to say. I've had a hard time lately and I need support not criticism. I did cry and I raised my voice. She said "I told you you didn't want to know, stop taking it so personally, I'm exhausted but you dont care about that" and then took her bag and left the room. She booked another room for our last night.

It's left me feeling really embarrassed and I feel like she's judging me. We spoke later and she said I'm so loud I need to get medical attention. That just felt like another attack, I got angry and she accused me of going totally OTT.

My ex didn't have a problem sleeping in bed with me.

I'm avoiding her now. I do t like fighting but I think she owes me an apology for spoiling our time away and upsetting me.

Do you think she was trying to be hurtful or is it just her way?

OP posts:
Flamingos89 · 23/10/2023 23:22

I promise you this is not something she enjoys telling you and it is not her shaming you!!!

I have started sleeping in a separate room to my husband because I genuinely CAN NOT sleep in the same room as him anymore. We have tried and tried but we just end up arguing in the middle of the night. He also felt ‘attacked’ or ‘shamed’ when it was first becoming an issue - and annoyed I woke him up to stop his snoring. I however, felt sleep deprived and after awhile it really started to annoy me that he was sleeping so soundly every night and I was going through hell! Because of his snoring!

His snoring has gotten a lot worse over the past 2 years - but I also think since having a child I wake up easier than before. I love my husband dearly and everything about him, but i genuinely can’t sleep next to him!

I think you need to accept you snore - there is nothing you can do about it. You also need to accept your sister needs her sleep! She was being very sensible getting another room in my opinion!!! She still loves you the same! (But sleep is sleep at the end of the day)

SunflowerTed · 23/10/2023 23:29

Your reaction is extreme. Don’t think your sister has done anything wrong

momonpurpose · 23/10/2023 23:35

Aarrrgghh · 23/10/2023 21:25

Ok I hear what people are saying but I'm just a bit taken aback.

I've always been emotional, I don't know how to turn it off. Is it really so bad I need help?

Feel even more upset now and I know people will say that's silly but I can't help it

Yes it is so bad you need help. Please get help before you alienate your friends and family if you haven't all ready

Onewildandpreciouslife · 23/10/2023 23:50

OP - you’re probably finding this thread quite hard to read. I think your sister has tried quite hard to be caring about the situation, but your reaction has made it harder for her.

can you try to talk to her about this in the morning? She obviously cares a lot about you (or wouldn’t have tried so hard to spare your feelings initially) and it sounds like you do need support in learning how to deal with your emotions

organicbox · 24/10/2023 00:01

Aarrrgghh · 23/10/2023 19:24

Everyone saying I'm unreasonable and oversensitive, are you really saying you'd be totally fine with hearing that.

I don't know how to not feel upset by something like that. I wish I found it so easy to brush it off like everyone thinks I should. I am quite emotional but I don't know how not to be.

The issue isn't you were upset. Of course it's upsetting to find out you do something other people don't like.

The issue is that you can't handle being upset by something and want to make it her problem.

She's exhausted and fed up.
You wanted to know why.
She predicted you wouldn't be able to handle it.
You pushed to know.
She told you.
Your ego was too brittle to cope with being seen as doing something unlikeable, so you shouted and blamed your sister.

You are definitely the one being difficult here. Not her.

If you are not a very resilient person, having been seen as anything other than acceptable can be hard. But that doesn't mean you can make it the other person's fault.

You need to work on the idea that it's okay to not be liked or seen as perfect all the time. And that when something upsets you, that doesn't mean it shouldn't have.

Sometimes things are just a bit upsetting and you have to ride the difficult feeling out rather than try to hand it off to another person.

User3735 · 24/10/2023 00:09

Your poor sister was sleep deprived when she was supposed to be enjoying a holiday and when you insisted she be truthful you overreacted and made it all about you. A normal reaction would be to apologise, laugh it off and offer to book a single room or let her fall asleep first or have a nap to catch up on sleep. Some snoring needs medical attention. By suggesting that she was trying to take personal blame away and offer advice and still you were the wounded one. Apologise to your sister and stop being so selfish.

User3735 · 24/10/2023 00:13

You can make it up to her like this.

Dear sister, I'm sorry I overreacted. I have talked it over with some friends and now recognise I am over sensitive and understand why you were reluctant to tell me, because you guessed how I would react and you were right. I don't want everyone to have to walk on eggshells around me. I know I need to work on this. I have booked a GP appointment. Please let me make it up to you buy covering the extra for the single room'

Deathbyfluffy · 24/10/2023 00:14

Aarrrgghh · 23/10/2023 21:11

Yes I am and it's something I'm sensitive about if I'm honest. I want to shift it but I struggle.

Only you can do something about your weight - losing it is tough, but the core concept is ‘eat less, move more’.

Id try and turn this negative into a positive - use it as motivation to cook more healthy or join a gym etc.
Good luck!

SheerLucks · 24/10/2023 00:37

I haven't RTFT but can see there is context here, but...

You shared a room with a sibling who you kept awake with your snoring, and she's now exhausted.

Just say a polite sorry and move on. It's not like you regularly sleep together again.

VeridicalVagabond · 24/10/2023 00:40

Ok I'm going to take this in good faith and assume it's not a troll or a reverse.

I too am an exceptionally emotional person. I feel everything dialled up to 11 (according to my long suffering therapist).

Example. The other day I was 15 mins late to work, sent a quick teams to my boss saying "I'm so sorry, chaos this morning, will be logged on in 5". He responded with a 🤣 react and I immediately teared up. In about half a femtosecond I felt 70 different emotions that boiled down to "I can't believe he laughed at me when I've had a really horrible morning, he's so unfeeling and thoughtless, he has no idea how difficult this morning has been". It was a tremendous overreaction, but that's what my brain does. My job as an adult is to pack all that nonsense back in it's box for my therapist to open later and respond to my boss with "online now, thanks for understanding!", not burst into tears and yell at the poor man. Because that would've been mad.

You don't have to switch your emotions off. You have to learn how to control how you respond. It can be tiring. I don't always succeed. But you really must try because shouting at your sister for telling you the truth (which you insisted she tell you) is completely unfair.

penpep · 24/10/2023 00:51

Ugh I hate snoring!! You should get a CPAP - it's so bad for you!

Geppili · 24/10/2023 03:32

What @User3735 said is perfect.

Geppili · 24/10/2023 03:34

Ps Have you ever been seriously sleep deprived because if sharing a room with a heavy snorer? Record yourself on a snoring app and get a cpap.

Strugglingtodomybest · 24/10/2023 05:26

OP, have a Google for 'highly sensitive person', here's one link: https://www.choosingtherapy.com/highly-sensitive-person/

If you can't afford therapy, just read up as much as you can online and start practicing the techniques recommended. It will take time and a lot of effort, you need to become very self-aware, but you can learn to control your emotions. I believe that it will lead you to become happier in the long run, particularly if you are an emotional over-eater.

Good luck!

momonpurpose · 24/10/2023 05:41

Geppili · 24/10/2023 03:32

What @User3735 said is perfect.

Yes I think User 3735's advice would go a long way to helping this situation. While the snoring is not great I think the over dramatic stuff can alienate you. Please get help you will be so much happier and you deserve to live a happy life

flustereddriver75 · 24/10/2023 05:51

Don't fall out over snoring OP, you can't help it I get that (fellow snorer here) but equally sleep deprivation is awful.

My dsis and I mutually agreed to never share rooms now. We go away regularly and don't want it to spoil our breaks.

You pushed your sister for an answer so she was honest with you, she didn't "attack" you.

Towerofsong · 24/10/2023 06:03

So you turn everything around and make it all about you, and nobody is allowed to say anything that might constitute honest (asked for) feedback or to say anything other than praise?

And you wrap that up in 'being sensitive' and 'wearing your heart on your sleeve'?

You sound like very hard work and over dramatic. If I was your sister I would be aloof too.

TedMullins · 24/10/2023 06:17

Aarrrgghh · 23/10/2023 19:24

Everyone saying I'm unreasonable and oversensitive, are you really saying you'd be totally fine with hearing that.

I don't know how to not feel upset by something like that. I wish I found it so easy to brush it off like everyone thinks I should. I am quite emotional but I don't know how not to be.

Yes, I would be fine with hearing it. In fact I’d laugh it off, say I didn’t realise I slept like a braying walrus and apologise. I’d also probably record myself so I could hear how bad it was and take on board the suggestion of seeing a doctor. If it’s sleep apnoea that could be very dangerous.

It honestly sounds like your reaction of crying and shouting to any minor criticism is incredibly manipulative and immediately makes you the victim and the other person the aggressor rather than being able to resolve issues like an adult. If you have shame issues around your weight that’s not your sister’s fault. Agree with pp counselling would help you.

BardRelic · 24/10/2023 08:06

I struggle a lot with criticism

I don't think this was even criticism, or if it was, it doesn't seem to have been unkindly meant. I do think you should explore why you react the way you do. No-one exactly enjoys criticism but if it's constructive it can be incredibly helpful. It's a key way to learn and develop, to take on board things which can be changed and work to change them. It's a way to get better at things. Of course, praise for what we get right is also important but at some stage, if you make a mistake, someone will need to point that out to you. And it helps if you can say 'sorry, thanks for pointing that out, I'll work on it'.

Brefugee · 24/10/2023 08:08

Aarrrgghh · 23/10/2023 22:47

Honestly I don't know. I think I would still feel very embarrassed.

I struggle a lot with criticism

so i hope you are drawing some lessons to be learned from the incident and this thread?

  1. go to the doctor for a check up about the snoring
  2. get some therapy or learn some resiliance
  3. don't pester people if they don't want to tell you something
  4. if you continue to pester and they "criticise" (your sister didn't) accept that they have a different opinion to you and look inside yourself to see what you did
yogasaurus · 24/10/2023 08:15

For such a sensitive person, you don’t seem to have any empathy at all that your sister suffered two nights of bad sleep. It’s all about your feelings. And from her reaction, she knew you’d react like this (you don’t want to know). Honestly, this kind of constant emotional drama is draining.

And no, I wouldn’t have been fine with hearing it; I would have said sorry, not had a massive overreaction and pity party that I need treated more sensitively/became the victim again.

Unicorntearsofgin · 24/10/2023 08:23

The problem is now OP it is all done so perhaps look at mending your bridges.
Id drop your sister an apology and look at getting the snoring investigated and some counselling to help you cope with perceived criticism in a better way.

This really isn’t worth upsetting yourself or anyone else over - just try and bring something positive from it.

Frasers · 24/10/2023 08:25

Aarrrgghh · 23/10/2023 22:47

Honestly I don't know. I think I would still feel very embarrassed.

I struggle a lot with criticism

It’s not even criticism though. You snore.its not a deliberate act. It’s a simple fact.

even in your responses you can see you have absolutely no empathy for your sister. Do you genuinely not care how she feels having no sleep? Or is it minor in comparison To your feelings about you?

honestly it’s not a normal or healthy reaction. And shouting at her and crying is actually abusive.

i hope you find it in you to apologise to her and check she got a good nights sleep and then reflect on why you behave as you do and how you can stop it.

Hibiscrubbed · 24/10/2023 08:54

Aarrrgghh · 23/10/2023 22:47

Honestly I don't know. I think I would still feel very embarrassed.

I struggle a lot with criticism

I’m very sympathetic to you OP. But you still owe your sister an apology. She did nothing wrong.

amoobaa · 24/10/2023 09:05

@Aarrrgghh OP, I mean this in the nicest possible way, but based on what you’ve said you are being unreasonable.

That doesn’t mean your feelings are wrong. Feelings can’t be wrong, they just are- that’s the whole point of them. Feelings are not logical, they can be explosive, illogical and disproportionate. It’s how you respond to your feelings that really matters.

Just because you feel shamed and criticised, doesn’t mean you have been.

You insisted your sister tell you the truth and unfortunately you couldn’t bear the truth because it made you feel embarrassed and ashamed of your weight.

If you are close to your sister and value your relationship then please protect it by taking a deep breath and asking yourself, whether maybe the person shaming you is not really your sister… maybe the person shaming you is actually you.

And if your sisters honest answer (which she tried to avoid telling you) caused you to feel so much shame and judgement about yourself, then perhaps you can investigate where that stems from? Is it really all your sisters fault? Or might it be more complex than that?

You say you find criticism very difficult. However, in this instance you have not been criticised by your sister.

I know the world can be very harsh and judgmental about weight. But have you ever wondered if you have internalised some of that and now the shame you feel is actually driven by your own negative self talk? Have you ever stopped and listened to your own thoughts? What is your internal dialogue in your head? Do you think things like, “aarrgh I’m struggling so much with my weight, this is so stressful and I’m feeling so sensitive, I know my sister loves me but her words hurt… it’s ok to feel emotional, I’m a good person and I will find a way through this…” or is it more like… “aarrgh I’m struggling so much with my weight, everyone must be looking at me and judging me, I can’t believe I’m in this situation, I feel so [insert body shaming word here]… everyone’s looking at me, I’m so [insert shaming language here], why is my sister not making me feel better?”

The problem is, your sister won’t be helping you or expressing a healthy kind of love, if she hides the truth from you. She needs to be able to tell the truth if you demand she answers your questions, and you need to be able to take responsibility for your own emotions.

Imagine if your sister started her own post on here… maybe it would go something like this:

“I’ve been away with my sister. I love her very much and we were having a great time. The only problem is, I’m shattered. I haven’t had any sleep because her snoring has kept me awake for the last two nights. She is really sensitive so I didn’t tell her at first, but the sleep deprivation was making me grumpy. She demanded to know why I was grumpy and I tried to avoid telling her but she insisted, so I told her the truth. She shouted at me and accused me of shaming her. I decided the best thing to do is get my own room so I can sleep. Now she’s ignoring me, I feel so exhausted and sad. She doesn’t seem to care about my feelings at all. I’m so worried about her health, I’m scared something will happen to her and I’ve tried to persuade her to seek medical attention but she has taken it as an insult. I don’t know what to do.”

OP I know it can feel like everyone else is judging you and your embarrassment can make you feel very self conscious. But the reality is, you are upset with a person who might have your best interests at heart. It’s entirely possible that your sister feels as upset and frustrated as you do.

There’s a big difference between saying, “You snore because you are [insert mean judgemental language here]” versus, “I’m exhausted because your snoring kept me awake and I honestly think you should see a doctor because I care about you.”

Maybe you should go to the doctor and tell them the truth, even if it’s embarrassing and upsetting. If you tell your sister how you feel and that you are taking her advice, maybe she will come with you for moral support?

Reacting the way you have is unreasonable but your feelings are still valid. You are trying to avoid the fact that you have a problem and in doing so, you are pushing people away. You might even be pushing away the very person who has the most genuine concern and care for you.

We can’t possibly know… you’re the only one who knows if your sister is a mean bully or whether she was just being honest. But either way, you won’t live the full and vibrant life you deserve, if you don’t learn the skills of managing your own emotions and developing a more robust sense of self esteem.

Talk to your sister and ask yourself, is it actually you who owes her the apology?

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