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What the fuck do I do about H treating my son like this?

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whatthefuckdoIdoaboutmyH · 01/10/2023 13:40

My H does love his children,.. He also has autism. And, bluntly, the iteration of autism in him is a toxic combination when it comes to being a parent. He has very, very little mindsight, a very rigid and inflexible approach, a strong belief he is right, no apparent ability to learn from his mistakes, largely because he never admits to making a mistake in the first place. He also has extremely poor emotional regulation. It doesn't matter how bad things get in his relationship, with me or now with his children, it is always someone else who is the problem. Nothing, NOTHING, makes his reflect that perhaps his behaviour is contributing to the problem.

My eldest son (older junior school age) has real eating problems and always has. He has failed to grow and is now the size of a child 3 /4 years younger than him. He has been seeing a paediatrician about this and is now on the waiting list for another. Everyone we have seen about his eating throughout his life, paediatrican, paediatric dietician, health visitor, everyone, has said the same, ' 'Don't make mealtimes stressful.' My son seems to just not be interested in food, and very out of touch with his appetite. He is prepared to be hungry rather than eat. I suspect he has a baseline of usually being hungry and so does not really notice he is, as well as a small stomach from chronic undereating. He is also very sensory sensitive, which probably does not help. He has never had a hungry phase related to a growth spurt and he has never had a growth spurt. He has never shown interest in what anyone else is eating. His diet is limited but he does eat a range of foods from all major food groups.

His Dad's strategy is to make food and then become very angry if he does not eat it. I have just had to go downstairs to intervene as my son was screaming at the top of his voice, ' Get off me! Get off me! Get off me!' as his Dad was trying to physical restrain him in his seat, whilst yelling at our son to eat. When I speak to his Dad about this he claims he is not making mealtimes stressful. If my son isn't eating he will become angry and start yelling about all the work he put in, start yelling about how he needs to eat and just go on and on. He will then insist he is not making mealtimes stressful. I have shown him a thread on here from people who said their parents were like this and the terrible effect it had on them, but I doubt he even remembers me showing him that. He never remembers anything that doesn't shore up his own narrative.

Nothing makes a difference to his Dad's approach.

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RedToothBrush · 01/10/2023 15:33

whatthefuckdoIdoaboutmyH · 01/10/2023 15:31

There was a poster on here who was set a-fuckling-light by her partner and he still got contact. How many desperate women have there been on threads here because they have to send their children to spend time with their arsehole Fathers? I have no confidence in the family court system. I just don't.

So you'd rather enable the abuse of your child.

Thats worse than not trying. Thats being PART of the problem because you won't even try to protect your kids.

What hope does your child have, if his mother enables the abuse?

Shouldistayorshouldi · 01/10/2023 15:34

You’ve already said nothing makes him reflect. Fucking leave him or you’re as disgusting as he is for enabling this behaviour.

whatthefuckdoIdoaboutmyH · 01/10/2023 15:34

SmileyClare · 01/10/2023 15:29

The couple next door to me are both autistic and parents of 2 young boys.

They now have input from social services and have attended parenting classes.The dc have weekly visits from a social worker who appears to liaise with the parents.

The noise levels have certainly improved and the parents have been using a wider range of parenting techniques (engaging more with the dc , using praise - rather than just shouting NO that’s NAUGHTY DO ASI SAY all the time- absolute rage was the norm- it was honestly awful to listen to!

SS may be able to help ?

We have a one stop phone line where I live for family intervention type stuff. I called them and asked for help for parents with autism, and they said there isn't anything. Just help for parents with autistic children. Maybe I should try again.

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Escapingtherealityoflife · 01/10/2023 15:35

Unfortunately your son will be learning a role model of a father from your DH and it gets passed on down the line. The abused often become the abusers because they don’t know what normal is.
This is an awful situation for your son to be in- imagine the daily stress and fear he is going through.

Mirabai · 01/10/2023 15:38

whatthefuckdoIdoaboutmyH · 01/10/2023 15:34

We have a one stop phone line where I live for family intervention type stuff. I called them and asked for help for parents with autism, and they said there isn't anything. Just help for parents with autistic children. Maybe I should try again.

What you really need to ask is whether there is help for abusive parents - you will get a very different answer.

uncomfortablydumb53 · 01/10/2023 15:41

Stand up for your son, this abuse will scar him for life, and I'd guess is a major factor in why he can't actually eat
My father was like this
I was, I feel, force fed, as my father had a violent temper and I too was restrained at the table
I was served a roast dinner, reheated 3 times( on a saucepan of boiling water!) expected to finish it
At 58, it is etched in my memory and I still don't have an appetite for full meals

PTSDBarbiegirl · 01/10/2023 15:42

To put it simply you really need to prioritise your son's MH and wellbeing. Food issues could be related to avoidance of being in vicinity of an angry, scary father. He needs to go, it won't change. Seriously get your kids out or ship out H.

whatthefuckdoIdoaboutmyH · 01/10/2023 15:43

RedToothBrush · 01/10/2023 15:33

So you'd rather enable the abuse of your child.

Thats worse than not trying. Thats being PART of the problem because you won't even try to protect your kids.

What hope does your child have, if his mother enables the abuse?

Don't be so ridiculous. I have sought help, help for my husband, help for me, help from SS - who were fucking hopeless by the way - help from medics - help from the GP- help from third sector organisations - I do nothing but seek fucking help. To say I am not even trying is a lie you have invented to boost yourself and kick me.

To reframe not wanting my children to be alone with a man I don't feel they are safe with is not enabling abuse - its doing what I think the best thing is to minimise a really shit situation. Can I ask you to step away from your simplistic safe armchair key board warrior status and imagine who you would really feel in the real world if you were taking action that would leave your children to have to manage alone with a man like my H? To know that situations like today would happen and they would be all alone in it? Answer fucking honestly to yourself how you would feel about? If you have the guts to? I did not create the world where men like my H get to have custody of kids but I and my children have to live in it. And that's a really, fucking hard place to be.

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whatthefuckdoIdoaboutmyH · 01/10/2023 15:44

Shouldistayorshouldi · 01/10/2023 15:34

You’ve already said nothing makes him reflect. Fucking leave him or you’re as disgusting as he is for enabling this behaviour.

I refer your disgusting post to the answer I gave to the above poster.

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Megifer · 01/10/2023 15:45

Jesus your poor poor DC.

You say you "actually really miss how I relationship used to be. We got on really well and he was my favourite person to spend time with. And he adored me. He really did. We laughed a lot together."

So he used to be alright. Now he's an abusive cunt. I'm not sure that's autism tbh.

I'm not sure you need to do anything. DC will soon get the ball rolling in some way when they confide in a teacher, friend, or another adult who they think will actually look out for them.

And by the way, kids are great at hiding their real feelings at home. Of COURSE they love him, adore him etc....they've been programmed to just live with it all. I'd bet money they could list out all the individual instances of abuse if asked.

I genuinely hope someone - if it wont be you - looks out for them soon and does something before it gets worse.

whatthefuckdoIdoaboutmyH · 01/10/2023 15:46

uncomfortablydumb53 · 01/10/2023 15:41

Stand up for your son, this abuse will scar him for life, and I'd guess is a major factor in why he can't actually eat
My father was like this
I was, I feel, force fed, as my father had a violent temper and I too was restrained at the table
I was served a roast dinner, reheated 3 times( on a saucepan of boiling water!) expected to finish it
At 58, it is etched in my memory and I still don't have an appetite for full meals

This is exactly why I am scared to leave. I can stop this happening whilst I am here. I cannot when I am not.

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DelightfullyDotty · 01/10/2023 15:46

He sounds like my exH but I’m autistic and he’s a narcissist. These labels really need revising.

SmileyClare · 01/10/2023 15:47

whatthefuckdoIdoaboutmyH · 01/10/2023 15:34

We have a one stop phone line where I live for family intervention type stuff. I called them and asked for help for parents with autism, and they said there isn't anything. Just help for parents with autistic children. Maybe I should try again.

That’s a real shame.

If your partner is willing to attend parenting classes I would try again. You may be able to get the school on board with helping you access some help?

I don’t think you deserve to be attacked on here.

One approach would be for you to take over ALL mealtimes for the dc. The children can eat at a separate time to you and your dh which you supervise entirely.

The food issue/ meal times have become a battle ground and that needs to change by removing your dh from meal times.

I think there are other ways of tackling this before considering divorce, particularly if your dh is willing to cooperate and accept a change in approach.

Meal times are now triggering for both your son and his father. Other than this huge issue- it appears they have a good relationship?

Your dh’s autism means he will have to take a back seat in parenting in some situations and hand control to you .

whatthefuckdoIdoaboutmyH · 01/10/2023 15:49

Megifer · 01/10/2023 15:45

Jesus your poor poor DC.

You say you "actually really miss how I relationship used to be. We got on really well and he was my favourite person to spend time with. And he adored me. He really did. We laughed a lot together."

So he used to be alright. Now he's an abusive cunt. I'm not sure that's autism tbh.

I'm not sure you need to do anything. DC will soon get the ball rolling in some way when they confide in a teacher, friend, or another adult who they think will actually look out for them.

And by the way, kids are great at hiding their real feelings at home. Of COURSE they love him, adore him etc....they've been programmed to just live with it all. I'd bet money they could list out all the individual instances of abuse if asked.

I genuinely hope someone - if it wont be you - looks out for them soon and does something before it gets worse.

I genuinely hope someone - if it wont be you - looks out for them soon and does something before it gets worse

@Megifer

I refer you to the answer I gave above to disgusting posters who post in this vein.

Oh, and fuck right off.

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MoonShinesBright · 01/10/2023 15:54

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Megifer · 01/10/2023 15:54

whatthefuckdoIdoaboutmyH · 01/10/2023 15:49

I genuinely hope someone - if it wont be you - looks out for them soon and does something before it gets worse

@Megifer

I refer you to the answer I gave above to disgusting posters who post in this vein.

Oh, and fuck right off.

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But its clearly not going to be you, is it?

I get it, you think you can protect them if you are there. But you're not protecting them, are you?

Happy to be called disgusting for pointing out this is a fucking awful situation that currently nothing is being done about. If it helps you feel better kicking out at people pointing that out go for it, but turn that misplaced anger round on the actual most disgusting person - your fuck up of a husband.

pitterypattery00 · 01/10/2023 15:55

OP, do not let fear of your husband getting unsupervised 50/50 access put you off leaving him. A relative has gone through similar with an abusive husband (and make no mistake, your husband is an abuser). She contacted the police and Women's Aid and took it from there. It wasn't easy but a few years on, she and her children are in a much better place. And as another poster said, if you don't get the ball rolling, someone else might - young children will seem to 'adore' their abusive parent - but this is unlikely to last. My relative's children could see through him by the age of 9, and family courts take older children's wishes into consideration.

whatthefuckdoIdoaboutmyH · 01/10/2023 15:56

Megifer · 01/10/2023 15:54

But its clearly not going to be you, is it?

I get it, you think you can protect them if you are there. But you're not protecting them, are you?

Happy to be called disgusting for pointing out this is a fucking awful situation that currently nothing is being done about. If it helps you feel better kicking out at people pointing that out go for it, but turn that misplaced anger round on the actual most disgusting person - your fuck up of a husband.

I refer you again to my previous answer and my fuck right off answer. I've won't be responding to you again.

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AgnestaVipers · 01/10/2023 15:57

He knows he is autistic but then refuses to see that he is exhibiting classic rigid thinking and inability to empathise meaningfully with his nearest and dearest. Is an autism diagnosis mainly so that the people around them adapt? Seems grossly unfair.

OP, can you record this behaviour? You need proof, as you clearly don't believe that your word will be believed.

Mirabai · 01/10/2023 15:59

whatthefuckdoIdoaboutmyH · 01/10/2023 15:43

Don't be so ridiculous. I have sought help, help for my husband, help for me, help from SS - who were fucking hopeless by the way - help from medics - help from the GP- help from third sector organisations - I do nothing but seek fucking help. To say I am not even trying is a lie you have invented to boost yourself and kick me.

To reframe not wanting my children to be alone with a man I don't feel they are safe with is not enabling abuse - its doing what I think the best thing is to minimise a really shit situation. Can I ask you to step away from your simplistic safe armchair key board warrior status and imagine who you would really feel in the real world if you were taking action that would leave your children to have to manage alone with a man like my H? To know that situations like today would happen and they would be all alone in it? Answer fucking honestly to yourself how you would feel about? If you have the guts to? I did not create the world where men like my H get to have custody of kids but I and my children have to live in it. And that's a really, fucking hard place to be.

Right but you’ve been pressing the wrong button. If you go to all these people and organisations and ask for help with an autistic husband - there is little they can do. If you tell them you need help with an abusive husband - the response will be very different.

The way you have decided to frame the problem is directly impacting the kind of help you have access to.

You need the courage to admit this is abuse.

BetterWithPockets · 01/10/2023 16:00

Oh gosh, OP, this sounds so stressful and traumatic for your DS and you. I’m sorry — I have no advice but just wanted to say I hear you. X

NeverForgiveMyself · 01/10/2023 16:00

If you do want home to leave then start collecting evidence. Recordings of him abusing the children would help - leave your phone on record at the start of each mealtime. He wouldn't get custody if there was evidence of his abuse.

MoonShinesBright · 01/10/2023 16:01

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godmum56 · 01/10/2023 16:01

whatthefuckdoIdoaboutmyH · 01/10/2023 14:46

No. Firstly, he forgots things that don't suit him. He genuinely does. Not just related to me. Other stuff too.

Secondly, that would just be proof of me being spiteful and wanting to hurt him. The idea that I have thought and feelings about my own life, does not appear to be available to him.

have you tried videoing his behaviour?

Mum3563 · 01/10/2023 16:01

Could you set up a video to record your husband's behaviour at mealtime? So he can see a recording of how he comes across and the impact it is having? Would this have any impact on him?