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Left emotionally abusive husband, please help

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YogiBear2018 · 30/09/2023 07:30

Please help, I feel so low.

been with my husband for 10 years. Looking back, I now realise the relationship has been emotionally abusive for some time. There were red flags from the start but things have got much worse over the past few years.

He left the military a few years ago and during this time he became very depressed, refused to accept that he was depressed and blamed me instead for how he is feeling. He used to shut himself in his study for days on end without leaving the house and cut all contact with family and friends. He told me he wanted a divorce - I found it so difficult to come to terms with as I knew how depressed he was and was worried about him. His behaviour towards me was very erratic and difficult to understand - he’d tell me he hated me some days but then bring flowers the next day and tell me how amazing I was.

He was offered a very good job in London and his mood quickly improved. we decided to give it another go and moved there together last summer. I fell pregnant just after we moved and suddenly his mood changed again (coincided with stress of new job) and he told me he wanted to separate again. He told me he didn’t want a baby and put pressure on me to order the termination pills online, but then wouldn’t engage in any constructive conversation around what to do. Every time I asked he blew up and said I was putting pressure on him and should understand how stressed he was.

he left me waiting for 14 weeks before deciding whether to go ahead together with the pregnancy. During this time I’d been so unwell with vomiting I’d lost a lot of weight and been hospitalised with a kidney infection as I was too weak to walk out to the shops for food some days and was too delayed collecting my antibiotics because I was so depressed and weak. Throughout my pregnancy he often had angry outbursts and was very verbally abusive (‘I hate you, you’ve ruined my life, I want this baby but wish it wasn’t happening with you, you’ve got the IQ of a slug etc). One time when I was 6 months pregnant I didn’t want to engage in the argument he was trying to start so I pretended to be asleep and he started shoving my shoulder to try and get a reaction.

I had our baby in April and he’s the best thing that ever happened to me. He was born prematurely and was extremely low birthweight (he weighed 3lb). My husband was immediately besotted with him and is now absolutely obsessed with him. Immediately after the birth he was very supportive but then old habits crept in. When our baby was 9 days old we went for coffee and he was criticising everything I did for the baby. I politely said I’m ok, I can handle this, you’re making me feel like you don’t trust me to look after him’. He flew off the handle and said I was being ungrateful because he’d been so supportive, and stormed out of the cafe with the baby in the pram. I ran after them and he punched my coffee out of my hand. He then stormed off and I had to walk home alone dripping in coffee as I couldn’t keep up (I’d had an emergency c section).

when the baby was 6 weeks old he flew off the handle and told me to leave, but that I wasn’t allowed to leave London with the baby and had to go and rent a flat round the corner. I left and went to stay with my mum two hours drive away. He was furious and demanded I returned as I’d ‘kidnapped his child’. I felt so guilty I went back.

sonce then his behaviour has been erratic, he is very hostile toward me and is still regularly verbally abusive. He tells me we must stay together as outcomes for the baby will be disastrous if we don’t. He tells me that if I ever want warmth or affection from him again I have to earn it.

he is now two weeks into his delayed paternity leave and has 6 weeks off. He’s behaving a bit strangely and I feel he knows I want to leave. I Ieft my laptop open when I went out the other day and he went through it. Id been emailing a solicitor I’ve spoken to and had emailed to ask how I could safely leave london and return to my home town two hours away where I still have a job, a house (it’s currently rented out) and family / friends relatively nearby. I’m unsure whether he saw these emails but he willl have looked at the search history and I’d been looking at properties in my hometown too.

A few days ago he was his usual critical and intimidating self, and something inside snapped. He went out with friends for the evening and I packed some essentials and drove me and the baby to our hometown three hours away. Predictably he has gone absolutely ballistic and is demanding I bring the baby back. If I return then my solicitor told me he could take out a prohibited steps order preventing me from leaving London with the baby until it’s been to court which could take up to 12 months, so I’d be stuck there until then. Financially it would be so difficult for me to live in London, and I worry I’d be under his control.

i feel sick. Incredibly guilty that I’ve uprooted my baby from his home and now living out of a bag in a spare room. Incredibly guilty that I’ve denied my husband his paternity leave. Broken from being emotionally ground down for so long.

I feel so depressed and at risk of just returning to London. Please help me.

thanks for listening

OP posts:
Purplepeoniesdroppingpetals · 30/09/2023 07:36

I don’t know much about legalities, op, but it strikes me that you’ve been a brilliant mum here in removing your child from the proximity of an angry and erratic person, as well as being an advocate for yourself and your own safety. Please stop feeling guilty - he’s gaslighted you into thinking you’re awful but you’ve been fantastic!

Tilllly · 30/09/2023 07:38

Hello @YogiBear2018

💪🏻 well done to you for having the strength and resolve to get away from this violent, abusive and unstable man
It's the best thing you could have done for you and your baby

Your new life is where you are now. Not in London.

Contact Women's Aid, they're the experts and will give you all the advice and tools you need. I don't believe you can be forced back to London or prevented from leaving, but you need to act. Be proactive, not just react to his future actions

Someone will be along who has more knowledge than me but for now, stay strong, keep posting here. We'll be behind you every step of the way to your new, happy life

Totaly · 30/09/2023 07:42

Stay out.

What are some chases in life is mum is abused and dad is controlling? Do you not think he will make you and your child utterly miserable?

You don’t owe this man anything- he isn’t your friend - he doesn’t want what’s best for you or your child.

Stay strong - I promise you in 12 months you won’t recognize yourself. Do it for your son and your future.

What do you feel he feels guilty about?

lemonyfox · 30/09/2023 07:45

You've done the right thing. It might not feel like it, but you've absolutely done the right thing. You're not safe staying with your husband. He's being incredibly manipulative and is weaponising your little baby. Stay safe, stay away from him, initiate divorce proceedings, prioritise the safety of your baby and yourself.

Indifferenttoyourpresence · 30/09/2023 07:45

Oh my goodness - I read your post whilst holding my breathe thinking god I hope she had left him by the end of it. And you have and that is the bravest, strongest and best decision you will ever make. Of course he is going to make you feel guilty but he is an abuser and you have freed yourself and your baby from that toxicity. You should be so, so proud of what you have done in the most awful circumstances. Speak to your solicitor, stand your ground and enjoy your peace 🌷

YogiBear2018 · 30/09/2023 09:14

Thank you so much everyone.

it’s so strange how reading it back it’s completely obvious it is that he’s behaved horrifically, but for some reason I still feel guilty for hurting him and taking his baby away, especially during his paternity leave.

I know my legal position because I paid to see a solicitor last week - we discussed this scenario and she told me to stay out until he initiates proceedings, then it will be a case of staying here until a court case is arranged.

it’s interesting that you all seem to agree his behaviour is unreasonable even with the condensed story - there’s far more, for example grabbing the baby off me when he was 5 weeks old and threatening to feed him formula so he doesn’t need me and would be taking full custody (he’s exclusively breastfed and refuses a bottle), Applied for a divorce on my birthday, plenty more on my list!

it helps to read through as he tells me I’m just over sensitive and ‘creating a narrative’, and has also started to accuse me of being abusive now 😓

have tried to organise for him to have contact eith the baby as the solicitor advised me to do, but he’s being so difficult and just demanding I bring him home. Also now tactically (and perhaps predictably) sending me lots of texts saying he’s concerned about my state of mind and the baby’s welfare.

now just to stay strong and not panic and take him back - easier said than done. I need to remember that if I go back I’ll be utterly trapped as I’m certain he’ll take out the order preventing me from leaving London eith him.

thanks again everyone - so much comfort reading your messages. Feels like a bad dream and keep saying ‘oh my god I can’t believe I left behind his back - was that really me?’

xxx

OP posts:
YogiBear2018 · 30/09/2023 09:18

Thank you so much. I still can’t believe I’ve left. Feels like I’m stuck in a nightmare xxx

OP posts:
SavvySue · 30/09/2023 09:31

Stay strong! You sound like an amazing mum who has done the best for your son.

No-one has the right to treat you the way he is doing.

Well done for making the break and please please please dont even think of going back xx

AdamRyan · 30/09/2023 09:41

Don't go back.
Ask him for all communication via email and get someone else (your mum?) to screen the emails and tell you the relevant bits. Block his number.

Luckily for you, your baby is too young for his dad's behaviour to have shaped him. If you go back then his dad's behaviour will be a template for how men are :(

YogiBear2018 · 30/09/2023 11:43

I keep getting waves of panic and anxiety about taking our baby away from his dad. I’m getting messages off him begging me to bring him back. He’s also messaging our friends to tell them I’ve been emotionally abusive, calling him every name under the sun and making suicidal threats!! I’ve never done this and never even called him a name in my life. I feel so so so depressed x

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serene12 · 30/09/2023 11:55

Well done for getting out of this abusive relationship and more importantly safeguarding your baby.
If he feels that you’ve such a bad mum, why doesn’t he report you to social services. He seems to be following the classic abuser’s script I.e. threatening suicide etc.
Women’s Aid or there might be a local domestic abuse charity will be able to support you, and give you advice.

BlastedPimples · 30/09/2023 12:02

You have to not take this rage of his so seriously.

Let him bad mouth you to people. The ones who matter won't believe his bull.

Stay calm. Stay strong. Let him froth and rage. He will continue to do so. Respond only if you have to and with facts. Don't get pulled into questioning any morality or validity of your judgment.

You absolutely have done the right thing. Protecting your child and yourself from this awful creature. He knows you've wrested back control and he hates it and so is thrashing about in helpless frothing rage. He will not win this. You will escape and be free. Just don't believe his nasty threats.

BlueFlamimgo · 30/09/2023 12:27

Well done on OP for getting out - you’ve been incredibly strong for both you and your baby. I agree with the poster above that if it gets too much, ask your mum to screen the messages. The other advice I’ve seen is to use a parenting app and insist that all messages go through that, then change your number or block him on your mobile. It means that he has to be civil in his messaging to you, unless he wants to give you lots of ammunition for court. It also means that you’re not living in constant dread of the next text.

The other thing that might be helpful is to think of DARVO, which stands for Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender. It’s a technique used by abusive people to make their victims feel bad and less likely to push back. Next time he lays into you, remember he’s using DARVO and you’ve done nothing wrong x

AdamRyan · 30/09/2023 12:45

YogiBear2018 · 30/09/2023 11:43

I keep getting waves of panic and anxiety about taking our baby away from his dad. I’m getting messages off him begging me to bring him back. He’s also messaging our friends to tell them I’ve been emotionally abusive, calling him every name under the sun and making suicidal threats!! I’ve never done this and never even called him a name in my life. I feel so so so depressed x

Have you got a counsellor at all? It sounds like you could do with the support.

Trust yourself. You are doing the right thing for you and your baby. It's hard now but just keep going.

Maybe read about trauma bonding
https://www.saferplaces.co.uk/blog/traumabond

How you feel is a reasonable reaction to what you have been and are going through and is your subconscious trying to protect you. Keep going. It WILL get easier x

Are you in a trauma bond?

A blog post about trauma bonds from Lexie - Safer Places' Children and Families Worker

https://www.saferplaces.co.uk/blog/traumabond

Redruby2020 · 30/09/2023 14:36

YogiBear2018 · 30/09/2023 11:43

I keep getting waves of panic and anxiety about taking our baby away from his dad. I’m getting messages off him begging me to bring him back. He’s also messaging our friends to tell them I’ve been emotionally abusive, calling him every name under the sun and making suicidal threats!! I’ve never done this and never even called him a name in my life. I feel so so so depressed x

The anxiety will come and go, you have to remind yourself that what you was living with was no better!

The things he is doing and what he is saying to others is classic for some abusive men, trying to turn people against you and also so you are isolated. He will slip up more and is only digging himself a deeper hole!

Do not go back to him, agree with another poster, to have things in writing from him, don't have calls it's not necessary.
And to speak with Women's Aid.

keffie12 · 30/09/2023 14:57

Your husband is physically, emotionally, coercive, and gaslighting abusive to you.

Stay where you are. You have done the right thing to leave.

Yes, he is physical. He has thrown coffee at you. That is physical. He has walked off with your baby. That's kidnapping.

Your baby and you are just objects to him. He doesn't love either of you.

It won't get better. It will get worse. Take it from me. I know. It took me years to leave. We went through the fires of hell with the aftermath. I have 4 now adult children. The whole system of this country became involved.

I'm one of the few to come out the other side with my family and a good life intact.

How would you feel if your son grew up to treat a woman like your husband treats you and potential grandchildren. Your son will copy what he sees.

Three women a week are iulled by their partners in this country. That no has never changed or gone down. Millions are living with it, and their children are being damaged by it. You don't have to be one of them.

Stay out and get in touch with women's aid for help and support for rehousing, counselling, etc. They will help you to get sorted.

www.womensaid.org.uk/

keffie12 · 30/09/2023 14:58

Killed not iulled which I put rr my above post

jeaux90 · 30/09/2023 14:59

Well done OP you are doing an amazing job despite his abuse and gaslighting you.

Just remember there is no evidence for his accusations about you being abusive or mental health issues. Solicitor would have dealt with this all before.

Talk to your family and friends about the situation so you have support IRL.

Stay strong and know you are doing absolutely the right thing.

I walked 13 years ago, there is not a day I have any regrets.

Mine and my Dd14 have a very peaceful life.

keffie12 · 30/09/2023 15:00

Oh, and block his no and all contact with him

Hygeelady · 30/09/2023 15:07

Well done for leaving, this is absolutely the right thing. Do not go back, you will be trapped and the abuse will get worse.
Have you got support?
Be very careful what you say and who to because things could get back to him to be used against you. Be very careful what you are writing in messages as these will be saved and shown to go against you. Keep all the nasty messages he has sent you and try to keep your messages to just answers to questions about the baby. Get yourself a plan of how you will live, earn money and Childcare for when you are working so when it comes to it you can show that the baby has a stable home. Best of luck, stay strong

YogiBear2018 · 30/09/2023 16:17

Thanks for your replies everyone. All so helpful and supportive. Almost survived another day. Is it normal that I feel worse rather than better?!

and why can’t I shake the guilt of leaving during his paternity leave 😥

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redastherose · 30/09/2023 16:31

Please don't feel guilty for taking your tiny baby away from an angry abusive man. If he wasn't his father would you have had anything more too do with him after he angrily dragged your 5 week old baby out of your arms or threatened to feed him formula because he wanted to take him away from you? Of course you wouldn't, you'd have reported him too the police if he'd been anyone else. He is angry abusive and you've done the best thing you can for your baby and yourself. Why should his feelings trump yours? Ask yourself that? He's not a nice man and you need to stay away from him to protect both of you.

Dery · 30/09/2023 16:40

You feel guilty because you’re a caring person who knows that an ideal world you, your baby and this man would be able to be quietly settling into family life together. But this man is abusive, seriously toxic and a danger to you and your child. He’s also a product of what he learned growing up. By removing your LO, you’re protecting him from learning that this is how dads behave.

Dery · 30/09/2023 16:41

And actually it may be worth reporting his abuse of you to the police on a non-emergency basis.

Lavenderosa · 30/09/2023 16:46

Any man who grabs a 5 week old, breast-feeding baby from his mother and threatens to feed him formula so he won't need her, doesn't love the baby or the mother.

You are amazing to have escaped this horrendous situation and you shouldn't feel any guilt about it whatsoever. You are protecting yourself and your son, which is the most important thing a mother can do. Your husband's histrionics are about loss of control, and the cause is his behaviour (recent and over time). It's not you.

Your baby doesn't care if he's living out of bags in a spare room. He just needs his mother, food, warmth and safety. You must care for yourself (mind and body) in order to care for your baby. You'll never be able to do that while living with your husband so keep reminding yourself of that whenever you feel a pang of guilt.